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happiegrrrl

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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 31, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
My friend has asked me to go through and post several items from a collection of stuff ranging from old records to...junk...on EBay, and I am wondering of you guys(and ladies) can take a look and provide input regarding the records.

There will be a few more to be posted, but I am want to find out early if I am doing something wrong, stupid, missing something or have overvalued as a starting point.

Seems a lot of sellers don't auction, but post at a price, but they prefer to go with auction.

Here are the ones so far:
 Beatles 1962 - 1966: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Beatles-1962-1966-Record-Set-Limited-Red-Vinyl-LPS-/130959297203?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1e7dc84ab3
 The Doors L.A. Woman: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Doors-L-A-Woman-with-DieCut-Window-in-Very-GoodCondition-/130959245619?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1e7dc78133
 The Doors Morrison Hotel: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Doors-Morrison-Hotel-LP-Excellent-Condition-Elektra-1970-US-Pressing-/130959239407?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1e7dc768ef
 The Doors Waiting for the Sun: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Doors-Waiting-For-The-Sun-1968-LP-Record-Album-Elektra-Very-Good-Co-/130959230434?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item1e7dc745e2


If interested, here is the link to my "Sell" page, which will list all items as I put them up. It is:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ipg=&_from=&_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ssn=terrietalisman&_sop=10

Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 31, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
Oh man. The red Beatles albums. Love at first sight. And I would think those Doors LPs are worth something to the right person.

I sent your links to a bud of mine who is in the business of making and selling high end audiophile vinyl. Lets see if he get a rise out of this. At least he might direct you to a forum more related to your items than this one.

Jeez., I might have to make a bid on one of these at least.

Vinyl rocks. So do tubes.

Credit: Ksolem
12" 45RPM Single. Original. Not 4 sale.
12" 45RPM Single. Original. Not 4 sale.
Credit: Ksolem
James Wilcox

Boulder climber
The Coast
Jul 31, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
I know early jazz and blues on vinyl are pretty sought after right now.
How many people are watching them? That'll usually give you a pretty good idea if you're in the ballpark.
adatesman

climber
philadelphia, pa
Jul 31, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Mmm.... Jazz, Blues and Tubes.... :)
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 31, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
200 motels....Mint condition..free to a good home..No Zappa , no trabajo...RJ
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 31, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
The Doors stuff is generally not worth a lot, has to be very good condition to get much. I am not well versed on Beatles. However the most valuable Beatles album is also the most counterfeited. Google and Ebay searches makes it very easy to identify and value stuff. I have about 5000 albums, 3500 of them are graded and cataloged in a database. I really try to limit what I buy now, it is a disease.
happiegrrrl

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www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 1, 2013 - 07:43am PT
Thanks for the replies.

I see that each of these albums has several listings on EBay, and to me, this says it's not going to be as simple as 1,2,3 to make sales.

I'm also NOT getting a lot of "Watches" on any of the listings I have done yet, which concerns me. I sell on Etsy and occasionally there is EBay talk on those forums, and a lot of people who sell both venues say their EBay traffic has been bombing in the least couple years. The commercial sellers have the resources to dominate the searches and that makes it tougher to be seen, is what I assume is the issue.

Anyway - we'll see.

There is one Gene Krupa album to be listed, but I haven't researched it yet.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:04am PT
My friend I mentioned who's in the vinyl biz got back to me with this:

"I still think Ebay is the best venue. The forums actually pick it up there first: Did you see blah blah on Ebay. Is that a good price? Etc Etc."

http://www.cohearent.com/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:09am PT
I was told that the original play of a vinyl is still the best reproduction of music.
James Wilcox

Boulder climber
The Coast
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:22am PT
eBay made a concerted effort 4-5 years ago to get rid of their "garage sale" image. They wanted regular sellers with a "store" feel.It caused a huge spike in drop shippers which sucked. A mistake in my opinion, but heck, it's their site they can do what they want. But it took some of the fun, and money, out of trying to market one-off items.


Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:26am PT
I still have hundreds of records.

What kind of $ are these things going for?
hb81

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:37am PT
Checked other auctions of the Beatles red, looks like you are expecting a bit too much actually. They seem to sell for less than your starting bid. Sorry :/
hb81

climber
Aug 1, 2013 - 10:46am PT
I still have hundreds of records.

What kind of $ are these things going for?

Anything between nothing and a fortune...
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 1, 2013 - 11:03am PT
eBay made a concerted effort 4-5 years ago to get rid of their "garage sale" image.

Yes, ebay squeezed the "garage sellers". I used to make a living on ebay years ago. When the resale market died the listing fees would kill you if your stuff didn't move. Recently they have tried to get casual sellers back. You can list 50 items per month for free.

You can buy out of date LP value guides very cheaply and use them to determine the relative rarity of particular vinyl. I like the paper guides because you get a quick overview of a bands releases and the valuable LPs pop out at you. The bottom line is the current sales on eBay.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Aug 1, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
It is important when you sell vinyl records to grade them correctly. One thing to remember is that even brand new records in the shrink wrap are usually not NM or M. The cover condition is just as important as the condition of the record. Covers that have damage or major ring wear are not VG+

A good place online to get a feel for a fair going rate for prices is Discogs. Keep in mind that even though someone is asking $150 for something does not mean that they are going to get it. There are some listings on Ebay of things I have been looking for that have been up for a couple of years just waiting for some fool to pay an astronomical price.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 1, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
So how much is a shrink wrapped In-a-gada-da-vida in VG going for?

Just curious.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 1, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
I have never seen a copy of In-a-gada-da-vida that was not thrashed, inside and out. The crowd that listened to it was a lot different from the jazz crowd. A sealed copy would be gold, I would be interested!
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Aug 1, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
here's one worth $400,000

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/most-valuable-records.htm#page=10
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 1, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
I actually have one. I bought it as a replacement to the one that got thrashed.
klk

Trad climber
cali
Aug 1, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
ho man--

ksolem, please tell me that manley rack isn't yr home studio.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Aug 1, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
I was told that the original play of a vinyl is still the best reproduction of music.

That's hard to say. In my work as a mastering engineer (1989-2006) I worked with both the state of the art of digital recording (96 khz/24 bit) and the best of analog (1/2" or 1" two track tape going across the heads of an Ampex ATR-102 at 30 inches per second.)

The vinyl record is a consumer product which cannot really reproduce these formats. The real question is which is more "real" to listen to at the consumer level, a good vinyl, or a cd (or God forbid an MP3.)

Under ideal conditions; a top notch turntable, cartridge, etc, and a record which is in good condition (and was made right in the first place,) listening to a record can be awesome.

edit:
ksolem, please tell me that manley rack isn't yr home studio.

No. That was my office. But my setup at home is mos def the best on the block.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 1, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
I was checking out your auctions and noticed you have "calculated shipping". LPs qualify as media mail and is the same for the entire country.
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
Aug 2, 2013 - 09:04am PT
are there sites that do current market appraisals that are legit?

e.g. is this guy legit? http://forevervinyl.com/
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 2, 2013 - 10:41am PT
Ebay is the generally the most reliable appraiser. Too many "appraisers" are also sellers so their self interests skew the values up. Ebay is willing buyers actually doing the deal. I am not aware of any other site where you can look at completed deals on such a large scale. I think the pay appraisal sites are using ebay transactions
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Thanks again for the input and also noting that LP's can ship as media - appreciate that!

I am also wondering about protecting the albums in shipping. Can those of you who may know give me an idea what is the best way to package well?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Aug 2, 2013 - 11:06am PT
When I was a kid, my Pop, no doubt inspired by John Entwhistle, knowingly or not, grabbed up a stack of his old '33s', three shotguns (two 12s and a 4-10), me and my brother in tow, and we went out in the back field and trap shot the HELL out of those records.

I remember at the time thinking, 'why is he shooting up all his old records?'

Now I understand why he did it. If I owned a shotgun I would repeat history. Lol. Bet I could hit every single one of them, so long as properly tossed. I'd need a ten shell warm up first, its been many years since I fired such a weapon.

Former marksman though, so I'm pretty sure I could hit those wild turkey sized records no prob!

DMT
James Wilcox

Boulder climber
The Coast
Aug 2, 2013 - 12:15pm PT
After getting lightly burned on some of my early sales here's what I learned regarding selling on eBay:

1)I always ended my auctions on a late Sunday afternoon. Usually around 3-4:00pm East coast/ 6:00-7:00pm west. Simply because people were most likely home.

2)After scrambling at the last second too many times I learned to have my shipping box/final weight all set to go before listing. Nothing like having a sale go through and f**king up the shipping cost because I underestimated weight. Or worse, didn't even have a box that'd work. Dumpster diving a la 2013.

3)I never used words like mint, perfect, etc. Just sets you up for failure.

4)USPS is awesome and cheap for the stuff under 2-3 pounds. You can(or at least used to) order free priority boxes of all shapes and sizes that'd deliver free to your house. USPS can be wretched regarding insurance claims, though. UPS and FedEx better with that. You can get a good digital postal scale for $20.00. It's worth it.

5)Research the holy heck out of your item before listing. Look at other eBay auctions. Are similar items moving? How much? If someone is getting a ton of traffic look at their auction and try to figure out why it got so much attention.

6)Try to NEVER use the stock photos that eBay may offer. 10 different auctions with the same photo scores pretty low on the wow factor. Plus people want to see the actual item they're bidding on.

These are things that just worked for me. Just ideas to knock around. I'm sure other who have sold a lot on eBay have other ideas that work.
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
Aug 2, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
They make mailers specifically for 12" records. Take two empty record covers and put on either side of the item you are mailing then put inside the mailer. Be sure to mark on the package "do not bend" and "fragile"

The common mistake that people make that are new to shipping LPs is to put the record in between two pieces of cardboard and then wrap tape around it. This is a sure fire way to damage the cover or break the vinyl because there is not space between the record and packaging.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Aug 2, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
James makes excellent points. I would add that I have gone to mostly Buy It Now format unless it is a really popular and somewhat rare item. Buyers hate waiting for an auction to close unless it is a really big ticket item.

I have shipped a lot of vinyl and laserdics between two sheets of thick cardboard. Ony fatality was one laserdisc got cracked, USPS is terrible in their handling. If it is high value you may want to use a box.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Thanks again. The shipping info is useful - appreciate it!

On the ending times, I researched a bit and people were of different camps. Most felt that people who bid will either enter their high bid and see what happens, or use a sniper program to bid at the last seconds.

I know that when I used to buy on EBay, I would look at Ending Soonest auctions, and then enter my high bid. If I was home and watching, I might get caught up in the last minute frenzy. I will try timing the next auctions for the ending as suggested to see if it helps.

It seems to me that I am putting way too much effort into the project I am working on. The items just aren't highly sought after. Doing the Fixed Price is probably the better way to go on most of them(but really, much still isn't worth the time involved, photos, research, writing the listing and such).
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