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apogee

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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
Credit: apogee

"They say it's arson?"

That's not the buzz around town. More like an inadequately wired or protected well pump that shorted out just west of Mountain Center. Totally unconfirmed at this point, mind you.
BG

Trad climber
JTree & Idyllwild
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
Praying for a little rain and calm winds this weekend
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
it just seems irrelative and pointless given what is going on to piss about ripping CDs.

Whatever. Climbing in Idyllwild is roots for me, any one who knows me knows that. Sorry if the OT post bothered you.

I hope for the best possible outcome here.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
which may drive it over the ridge, and down into Humber park.

Actually the data conveyed in the Google Earth/ forest service link I gave above has had one arm of the fire coming down to within a mile or so of Humber Park , down a canyon that is roughly northeast of Suicide Rock, sometime in the last 24 hrs.
Probably around the time of the Kirchner photo I posted above.
No current data on the progress of the fire in that area. Hopefully it does not go any lower and then down into Humber proper.
jstan

climber
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
From inciweb at a little after 11PM


Credit: jstan

Weather and Fire Behavior forecasts predicted that the fire would continue to burn aggressively and would generate a significant smoke column. These kinds of smoke columns are often capable of creating unstable weather conditions fires including thunderstorms, lightning and erratic winds. Fortunately these weather conditions did not materialize over the Mountain Fire today and firefighters were able to make good progress on the fire.
Firefighters constructed fire-line along the ridgeline east of Idyllwild and Pine Cove. Crews also made excellent progress on the southeast side near Trails End on Morris Ranch Road in Garner Valley.
Tonight, moisture is predicted from the East/Southeast and will move across the fire area. Cloud cover may increase through Saturday morning. Firefighters will focus their efforts overnight on constructing additional containment lines on the southern flank of the fire.

Equipment on-Scene:
3,478 firefighters, including 260 engines, 20 helicopters, 10 fixed wing aircraft, including two DC-10s (Tanker 910 and 911), 68 hand-crews, 30 water-tenders, and 15 dozers.

Credit: jstan


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
68 hand crews Holywow!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
Can you explain what that means? I'm ignorant on the topic... 68 handcrews =? Is that like 68 squadrons?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
68 --20 man crews - like hot shot crews or CDF con crews. The ones diggin those lines to contain the fire.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
Whatever. Climbing in Idyllwild is roots for me, any one who knows me knows that. Sorry if the OT post bothered you.

I hope for the best possible outcome here.

Kris - Yeah, me too.

edit: Peace
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 19, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
Ron, how much do those 1300+ men make for a weeks worth of work?
I'm only asking because I'm trying to follow the paper trail. Paper being money.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 20, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Well as far as fed service, most hotshots or handcrewmne are gs3 to gs6. So around 13 plus an hour for a GS3 to 17 plus an hour for a GS 6. And hazard pay is another 25% which is added onto OT as well. So over time on a fire that isnt contained is time and 3/4..

But im sure many of those hand crews are CDF con crews so they get like a dollar a day and time off sentences sometimes. Not sure of the deal these days.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2013 - 12:17am PT
Alright, cool! That seems pretty cheap.
We're jus trying to understand how the fire is costing 8+ million so far to"fight" the fire..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 20, 2013 - 12:19am PT
The biggest expense,, AIRCRAFT. 2nd biggest , overhead- the teams of organizers as well as food bills, fuel, supplies, transportation etc etc. It adds up QUICKLY! Basically feeding staffing and supplying multiple regiments of troops.



for example, a typical crew expense starts at assignment. They might drive seven hours to get there- fuel, lunches etc all charged to that fire. Then once they get there , over time and hazard pay are added. Their rig may need a new tire etc. Breakfast lunch and dinner every day, plus snacks waters etc. Toilets are rented and serviced and showers normally provided at large type 1 incidents. First aid that may be required for any of your crew, tool maintenance and replacements can also happen. Fuzees or drip torches etc may be used which also cost to the fire. Chainsaws use gas and oil- also charged to the fire. thats just one crew typical scenario.


Then add a WHOLE team of people filling positions from supplies to safety to sanitation to transportation to personnel time and record keeping , and many other positions of overhead including planning and fire ops , air ops etc etc etc. Hundreds perform the over head tasks. And they can be endless.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 20, 2013 - 12:31am PT
Recent FS/ googleEarth Fire data updates has the fire getting pretty damn close to Humber Park.
I hope I'm reading it wrong.
It is also moving to the peak that is direct north of Suicide Rock.
This data last updated about 7 pm.

Although I clicked ground data at a leading location and got "July 20" .
The sections just upslope from Humber and directly east of Suicide Rock are color coded bright red.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jul 20, 2013 - 12:32am PT
con crews also get any weed that they find, however, no buds yet,
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 20, 2013 - 12:41am PT
Thanks Ron.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 20, 2013 - 12:43am PT
Credit: Ron Anderson
Yur welcome BB~~
The above is a scene from being a "transportation officer" during the little valley fire- a mere 8000 acres. This is the morning shift change transportation being assembled to take the day crews out and bring the night crews back to camp. ALL those rigs need fuel maintenance drivers etc.. There are four more rows out of the picture and that was just 8000 acres..



those DC-10s run at least 6 grand an hour operating expenses not counting slurry costs.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 20, 2013 - 01:26am PT
Damn if it doesn't look like some leading edges of this thing might be headed straight for Suicide Rock.
Although It could make an abrupt right turn and head upwards.

Wow.

It seems to be trending along the north end of that valley. The Suicide Rock side.

It is going to be interesting what this thing does around that area over the next several hours.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jul 20, 2013 - 01:50am PT
Each one of those DC-10 runs have cost in the neighborhood of $30K. I can't count how many have flown past in the last couple of days...easily several dozen of them.

"Damn if it doesn't look like some leading edges of this thing might be headed straight for Suicide Rock."

No sign of that thusfar. The trend is currently northward towards Wellman's Divide & Hidden Lake. There's a smoke column visible from town, but no active flames anywhere in the valley.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Jul 20, 2013 - 02:14am PT
Credit: Ward Trotter

This is the data I am alluding to . It was current at roughly 6-7pm
I'll take your word for it though, I like your version a lot better.
These data streams are often notoriously off. Lets hope so
Suppression efforts could have worked there as well.

In the satellite photo Suicide is formation to the west , about to be pinched by something advancing.

Note: This is a prior photo of that area on a normal day with the current fire data superimposed.

Kudos to all the crews working hard and risking their lives. Lets hope no one gets hurt on this one.
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