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nevahpopsoff

Boulder climber
the woods
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 15, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
I was at the gym today and it was on the tube. It was growth, growth, and more growth. People really don't get it, do they? More isn't better, better is better.
Economics are just fascinating.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:48pm PT

I personally wouldn't know...

I base my life 100% on the FOX News channel...

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Economic growth is quite good to those who experience it, and is certainly the main reason why so many people get to do things such as climb, rather than spend 18 hours a day subsistence farming.

John
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
Economic growth is quite good to those who experience it, and is certainly the main reason why so many people get to do things such as climb, rather than spend 18 hours a day subsistence farming.

John


Is there any progress on getting rid of stupid regs that protect the 'Delta Smelt'?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
I was at the gym today and it was on the tube. It was growth, growth, and more growth. People really don't get it, do they? More isn't better, better is better.
Economics are just fascinating.

- Sent from my iPhone

Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
How else do we have another corrective crash without the preceding bubble of growth?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
How else do we have another corrective crash without the preceding bubble of growth?


Easy. Create a communist model where everybody is the same (except the rulers), and the economy is perpetually flat.

That's good, right???
nevahpopsoff

Boulder climber
the woods
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2013 - 03:07pm PT

I personally wouldn't know...

I base my life 100% on the FOX News channel...


yeah, sure you do....
Mike Friedrichs

Sport climber
City of Salt
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
Infinite growth is required for capitalism. That's why it will ultimately fail. In spite of all our crap, the U.S. rates low on most happiness scales...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Infinite growth is required for capitalism.

Is there any successful society that doesn't adhere to that?

That's why it will ultimately fail. In spite of all our crap, the U.S. rates low on most happiness scales...


Compared to who? Why do so many strive to come here from their shitholes? Why haven't you sought to go to these havens of heaven on Earth?
nevahpopsoff

Boulder climber
the woods
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
if things go on as they are this will be a shithole too.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
Infinite growth relies on infinite resource use.

Yeah that's a sustainable model for 7,000,000,000 + people.
nevahpopsoff

Boulder climber
the woods
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 15, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
my point exactly.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 15, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
It will be sustainable once the Rich 1% realize that the rest of us are in fact...edible!

If Ouch were here - I would expect a picture of barbequed Bluering with an apple in his mouth!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
Infinite growth relies on infinite resource use.

Yeah that's a sustainable model for 7,000,000,000 + people.


If you don't use and optimize a "resource", it stagnates. Why are they called resources?

And what resource allows you to live with a f*#king computer? Easy to sh#t on capitalism from your keyboard, hypocrite!

Meh...
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 15, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
Bluering Carbonara is on the menu!
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
Growth, or at least exponential growth (is there a difference), is mathematically unsustainable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=umFnrvcS6AQ

This lecture is well worth the hour spent.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 15, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
We could sure use a man like Herbert Hoover again..!
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
THINK GLOBAL, SHOP LOCAL?




IE, BUY SH#T MADE IN CHINA AT YOUR LOCAL WALMART.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
Oh pooh on buy local American made.

American Industry had incentive to build local when it's primary reason for being was to feed the voracious appetite of the largest population surge in our history - the Baby Boomers. Industrial growth followed population growth and all had jobs and all prospered.

Now that wave has passed, the Boomers spend relatively little money and the subsequent Generations are fewer in raw numbers and have no interest in developing massive industrial public projects.

Instead, countries like Brazil, India and "gasp" China are where the action is at these days. They have the booming populations of younger upwardly mobile populations wanting the gadgets and gizmos of the world. They are building the infrastructure of what a developing nation requires and it follows that companies that previously built the backbone of America are relocating to where the new backbones are being built

Industrial and Manufacturing money follows need and the need is no longer enough within our own borders to support such industries.

Which is why 35 percent of my investment portfolio is in developing markets!

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