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Anastasia

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Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 14, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
Hey Folks,

I just got in touch with an old High School friend that had moved to Fresno many years ago. Things were going good, conversations were fun and wham... Out of the blue she stopped making sense, she is literally bat shiest crazy. I got in touch with her family and they know, are there, doing their best. They have brought her home with them in Coarse Gold, it appears she fried her brains on Bath Salts.

Question, does anyone know of someone who has recovered and to what percent? Can this be permanent and... What are their choices on care?

She is right now so out of touch with reality, talking to her friends in her head, completely delusional.

I am digesting this, seems to be the sign of the times, part of my generation. God I am so glad most of those I grew up with have avoided falling into the drug trap. I am really going to miss "her."
locker

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Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jul 14, 2013 - 03:44pm PT


"She is right now so out of touch with reality, talking to her friends in her head, completely delusional."...

Uh...

maybe seek PROFESSIONAL HELP???...

Seriously...

What the fuk???...

They should take her to the ER ASAfukingP!!!...
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 14, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
comparable to LSD or cocaine X 10 in some cases. Hallucinations, paranoia, suicidal thoughts etc etc.. Dont know about the long term other than LSD study cases which vary from little to drastic long term affects.

Sorry to hear that Anastasia.. I hope for the best for your friend to get rid of that stuff and recover.
Anastasia

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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
They did, that's how her parents came into the picture. She's on meds. Not responding to them at all. What the hell are bath salts??? When did this new drug started happening?

I am pretty naive about this stuff and I guess that is a good thing.
Ron Anderson

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Jul 14, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
What Are Bath Salts?

Not to be confused with products like Epson salts that are actual bathing aids, synthetic cathinones are marketed as "bath salts" to disguise their real purpose as recreational drugs that can produce euphoria and increased sociability and sex drive.
The drugs are sold under brand names like "Ivory Wave," "Vanilla Sky," "Purple Wave," "Red Dove," "Scarface," "Blue Silk," "Zoom," "Bloom," "Cloud Nine," "Ocean Snow," "Lunar Wave," "White Lightning," and "Hurricane Charlie."

As law enforcement began to crack down on the sale of bath salts, the drugs recently have been sold in stores and online as plant food, jewelry cleaner, phone screen cleaner or "research chemicals." The packages are usually marked, "not for human consumption."

The products, mostly made in China, are also known as "fake cocaine" because they mimic the effects of that drug.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jul 14, 2013 - 03:50pm PT

"They did, that's how her parents came into the picture. She's on meds. Not responding to them at all"...

They sent the lady home from the ER having NOT responded to ANY of the medications and still totally delusional???...

Wow!!!...

Great work they did...
Anastasia

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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Yes, exactly my thinking... Her poor parents. Anyway I am learning to consider her gone. If she never recovers, I wonder if an O.D. death would have been easier. This super sucks.
Ron Anderson

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Jul 14, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Chemically, the ingredients in bath salts products are closer to amphetamine than cocaine. There are many different synthetic cathinones used to make bath salts, but the most common are 3,4-methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV), mephedrone, and methylone. All of them have been shown to raise the level of the neurotransmitter dopamine in brain circuits regulating reward and movement, much like methamphetamine and cocaine.
However, one study revealed that MDPV, the most common synthetic cathinone used in bath salts, raised the dopamine levels in the brain like cocaine, but was 10 times more potent.

Additionally, another study has found that mephedrone and methylone can raise the level of serotonin in the brain similar to the way MDMA (Ecstasy) and LSD affects the brain, producing hallucinations.

Health Effects of Bath Salts

Reports from hospital emergency rooms and poison control centers across the United States have recorded patients experiencing paranoia, agitation and hallucinatory delirium, according to the NIDA. Some users have exhibited psychotic and violent behavior.
Several deaths have been reported as a result of using bath salts.
locker

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Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jul 14, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
Some "Misfiring" in the brain CAN come back around depending on what it was that caused it...

Often however, depending on the drug used, length of time used, amount used, etc...

"Misfiring" remains and is permanent (Generally NOT, though)...

Time is probably going to give the best answer here...

and hopefully it will be in her favor...

Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 14, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
ANYONE can buy this CRAP. Kids, what ever. Constantly being morphed into some new product to out run the laws.

Its bad stuff. FAR worse that LSD. Welcome to the new world order i guess. China continues to produce massive amounts of this crap.

Whatever happened to the good ol days of "mary jane" and beerzz?
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jul 14, 2013 - 03:59pm PT


THREAD DRIFT:

FACT!!!...

Alcohol (ETOH) has been and remains the MOST dangerous of them ALL...

Anastasia

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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
Anyway, Note to ALL,

Avoid Bath Salts like the plague.

In fact please if you partake in anything, please do it responsibly and carefully. I don't care if it's been prescribed or if it's legal. Be careful. Super please avoid the stuff that can alter your brain forever.

There goes another beautiful blond girl, another smart talented woman that had so many men wishing she'll notice them down the drain. What a BIG WASTE!!!!!

Studly

Trad climber
WA
Jul 14, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
This cannabalism incident was supposedly precipitated by bath salts.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/face-eating-cannibal-attack-latest-bath-salts-incident/story?id=16470389
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 14, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
Like any drug one should try to stick to ones with a long safe (or at least well known) track record.

Been telling folks to stay away from bath salts and the synthetic weed for a while just because there isn't enough data on longterm effects.

Smoke weed. eat shrooms, do LSD.. safe stuff. If ya gotta go for the highly addictive stuff I'd recommend coke. Stay the hell away from Heroin and even Meth.

Stay away from cigarettes and alchohol too. The weed lsd and shrooms are MUCH safer.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jul 14, 2013 - 04:48pm PT


"and the synthetic weed"...

Huh???...

Where the fuk have I been???...

They REALLY have that stuff???...

???...




EDITED:

Time to GOOGLE!!!...





GOOGLE EDIT:

Be damned if it isn't true...

I'd never heard of the sh!t until this thread...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabis



Anastasia

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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
How can a drug be good if you can OD on it? I don't get that logic.

LSD?
Are you freakin insane?

I remember a guy that thought he was a tree at Berkeley, he had a bad trip on LSD and never came back. Spent the rest of his life being a tree telling people to pick his fruit. He was all scarred because when he first tripped and lost it, he was thinking he was the fruit and was pealing himself to give out to others. An officer convinced him to be a tree instead and that's that.

I understand mary jane but even then... If the person partaking has some schizophrenia or bi-polar tendencies. It seams to bring 'em out to play.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 14, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
Yeah but LSD ODing is rare. Anycase I don't really recommend any drug if you want to live a long healthy life. But since some folks just gotta have drugs or at least play with em a bit I figure it's best to point them away from the new synthetics and the real hard stuff. I go off bigtime on some kid who thinks meth or heroine might be interesting. Telling em to just say no ain't gunna help. It sucks that some folks just have to try this stuff and I would gladly see someone try almost anything instead of Meth or Heroine.

If I had to pick just one as the safest I'd definately say Weed. It's not perfectly safe and healthy but it's about as close as it gets.

Caffeine is perhaps safer although not great for folks with high blood pressure.
Anastasia

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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
Now I get it. :) Yeah, I can see that.
Ron Anderson

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Jul 14, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
I have a buddy that did a thesis on LSD. Actually a very clean drug on the system and eats all foreign bodys as it does its thing. It was fascinating actually. Gone from your system rapidly as well. Less dangerous than todays BS chemical concoctions.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 14, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
Just another way the drug laws do more harm than good.

People cook up these toxic concoctions to defy chemical analysis as a controlled substance and, with easier access, people foolishly partake.

Probably even worse than crank.
I take no joy in saying this A, but your friend may be damaged goods.
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