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Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
I don't blame people for being stupid, but I do hold them responsible when they make the same mistake twice.

 what, like Bush one and two? You're right, but a little late to the party aren't you?


Too many people have lost sight of what we were, and are. Saddening to me.

 Troll 101… You finished the class… good…

Any details Blowey? Or is this another pointless teasefest, never getting to any real point…. per usual.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
Mitt is a trustafarian just like many of the snowboarder douches in this town...The only difference is his daddy had more money to trickle down on little Mitty the great outsourcer...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:26pm PT
he way WE ALL let them develop this running crapola,, ONLY the rich can afford it. CAMPAIGN RE-(GAWD DANG) -FORM.......
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
so romney took the money of central american warlords who were put in power by the US murdering their economic rivals... assisting them in setting up labor relations which make sweat shops look like club med

took that money and used it to ship US jobs overseas WHILE saddling productive businesses with DEBTS that were nothing but...

their profitability being extorted for the supposeded benefit of their labors being slashed and burned.


it takes a REAL piece of sh#t to call this the "american spirit"



true,
its a mimic of the era were america was built by child labor and slaves and fat white as#@&%es who beat their wives and raped their daughters to the cheers of pastors and god fearing folk the land over

but...

that isnt what were really going for as an example of leadership today

is it blue?
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
I have lost faith in America too, due to dickheads like bluey.
WBraun

climber
Jul 11, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Credit: WBraun
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
so romney took the money of central american warlords who were put in power by the US murdering their economic rivals... assisting them in setting up labor relations which make sweat shops look like club med

I doubt that's true, but are you willing to delve into Obama and his finances?

Did you answer my last question?
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
Look up the amount of food-stamp recipients, welfare compared to active workers.

 One step further and we may find a bit more about what really makes america the failed state that it is… That step?

Corporate unpaid taxes, corporate subsidies, unregulated Corporate greed.

Think a bit bigger blawrag. How about you ask your corporate leaders to be the great Americans you expect of all the rest of us: Ask them to pay their fair share in taxes, Ask them to ask less of their government then you ask of your government, Ask them to do what's right for America instead of what will get them paid the most money the quickest every quarter of every year - Just happens to be a slippery slope to the bottom - and it takes that rest of us with it.

Does shopping at walfart really make your life any better?

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
You've long been pro-god

I know that wasn't directed at me, but I plead guilty to being pro-God. (the difference between the quote and my response reminds me of Steve Martin's "Atheists Don't Have No Songs" (". . . the 'he' is always lower case. . .").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWA1A9XFi8

I simultaneously plead guilty to being pro First Amendment and a disestablishmentarian concerning state religion. Like most other things, the state should keep its nose out of religion.

John
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Corporate unpaid taxes, corporate subsidies, unregulated Corporate greed.
Is you boy, Obama, exempt from that field of players?

Do you hold him equally accountable?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
I know that wasn't directed at me, but I plead guilty to being pro-God. (the difference between the quote and my response reminds me of Steve Martin's "Atheists Don't Have No Songs" (". . . the 'he' is always lower case. . .").

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWA1A9XFi8

I simultaneously plead guilty to being pro First Amendment and a disestablishmentarian concerning state religion. Like most other things, the state should keep its nose out of religion.

John


John, do not apologize for having faith.

Hey, do you know Hanson down there in Fresno? Surely you must. VDH?
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
Like most other things, the state should keep its nose out of religion.

Insofar as religion harms no one, that's a reasonable view. But there were plenty of folks who once thought the state should keep it's nose of slavery, and plenty who now think the state should keep its nose out of the drug business. You can probably come up with a dozen other examples.

Bottom line is that if whatever religion I practice doesn't affect you, and vice versa, then fair enough. But when my religion affects you, or yours me, then what? Isn't that why we have "the state"?

However, I do believe the converse is a worthy goal: Religion should keep its nose out of the state.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
However, I do believe the converse is a worthy goal: Religion should keep its nose out of the state.


yep!
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Steve, Victor's wife and mine were pep girls together in high school, and their son and our daughter were classmates in the second graduating class at University High School in Fresno. Victor was a couple of classes behind my wife at Selma High School. He still farms in Selma, and is a pretty good guy despite being a 'furd (those associated with a Junior University on the Peninsula, for those uninitiated in Cal lore).

UHS is a charter high school with a curriculum that emphasizes music and rigor. Their PE included sessions at the local climbing gym, ultimate Frisbee, and various other non-traditional activities, although I understand that revisionists there took over to the extent that they now have a soccer team (my daughter graduated 8 years ago, so I lost touch somewhat.) Their test scores are very high, and exceedingly so given the socioeconomic status of the students' families. It was a school for misfits in more traditional systems, so many of my daughters' classmates reminded me of climbers I knew.

John
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:33pm PT

Like most other things, the state should keep its nose out of religion.

This is definitely THE whole motivation of the founding fathers to write The Constitution!!

America is becoming what the "originals" were running from.

i would LOVE to hear what each of you consider "faith in America" means.

Especially my brother Blue.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
John, in a school like that I guarantee good outcomes!

As for Vicor, he is a sage. In history. Sowell in philosophy. You should apply to Hoover in Economics. You'd fit right in.

Victor is a master editorialist. You operate on the same level.

Cheers, John!
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
you should stop and listen occasionally,
we called obama as a sellout when he addressed the convention in 06'

hes sold more kids to private capital in chicago than anyone who voted for him knows


and to keep up appearances hes appoints moderately right of center justices to play liberals for capitals convenience

its sick.

but we all realize that you cant end corruptions unless you confront capitalism



absent that occuring hand in hand, your indignation is a farce, your outrage a show, your legal actions are shams where the winners have been picked in advance cuz their above the law but the public dont care cuz they dont even know now that "journalists" who make the air all play golf and snort coke with them

of course obama is himself personally, pure filth...
that just smart enough to know how to reign it in just enough to get what he wants



willing to sell a huge chuck of the farm JUST so he can label the trucks driving it off nice things that will make the dull masses cheer


it aint obama's corruption
if your embracing capitalism your DEMANDING corruption and institutions which cater to it

the questions is whos corruption are you going to tolerate?
as long as you dont bring capitalism to heel



towards the very real interest hes only playing lip service???

or towards the evilest of intentions ever dared be said outloud in a hundred years...

which is all YOUR retoric is dragging towards
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
^^^ rsin, that was a really insightful post. except that last line?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
rsin, i think ur werk here could be described as a job..
but im not sure what ur retirement would be?
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 11, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
two sides are stacked up trying to toppel an idol

its going to decimate the advocacy for one reason to knock it down

or the other, given both are pushing


both forces believe that the idol remaining is better than the opposition to it gaining power after its fall

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