Tito Traversa, 12, Fighting For His Life

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johntp

Trad climber
socal
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
Terrible tragedy and condolences to his family. I agree with Ron on the supervision thing.
snowhazed

Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
F$#k
MisterE

Social climber
Jul 5, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
This just breaks my heart - so much spirit lost so young.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 5, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Im surprised they would even hold the weight of the rope with just the snubbers not popping off the sling..TRAGIC...
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Menlo Park
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Any thoughts why they wouldn't have just bought the quick draws already assembled? And why there was no adult input / inspection in the process ... ?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Someone could have bought the dogbones with the rubber retainer already attached(either sewn or threaded), in order to use biners they already own.

The retrofit retainer described by RGold is not attached to the dogbone and thus couldn't even hold the weight of the rope if done wrong, let alone 8 of them and no one noticing.
jghedge

climber
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:18pm PT

They probably weren't "bought", but given to him by sponsors

I have to wonder a little about the actual circumstances - it was a 10+ warm-up, meaning he, a 5.14 climber, probably never weighted the draws until he got to the anchors - and even then, the anchors at French sport crags (especially on popular warm-ups) are fixed biners or shuts.

More than likely, I suppose, that he put his own draws on the anchor, clipped into them and weighted the rope, and then the draws failed.
jghedge

climber
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:19pm PT


"The retrofit retainer described by RGold is not attached to the dogbone and thus couldn't even hold the weight of the rope if done wrong,"


Light, skinny ropes.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:19pm PT
Simply terrible news. Condolences to the family.
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
How terribly sad for everyone involved. I hope the little girl goes on to crush in his memory. Much love to his family, I can't imagine what they're going through.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
From various links, I gleaned they were bought and assembled by one of the kids in his group.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
I'm just speech-less. It's so horrible for the family. The poor kid who has to live with the guilt. It's awful for everyone involved. Check on each other folks.. even a 5.14 climber can miss something.

Deepest condolences to friends and family.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
its NOT the petzl syle snubber, i just tried it you cant even get the biner through the snubber without it popping off the sling.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
I agree. It had to be a system with the rubber already attached to the sling/dogbone.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 09:45pm PT
Any thoughts why...

Because people let their guard down... everyone does at some point... you see it all the time... don't pretend you haven't done it... it is a game of chances with serious consequences.

It is tragic. Establishing why anyone did or didn't do something seems pointless now. Always check the gear that is between you and the dirt... check your friend's gear... especially check fixed gear... don't get lazy.
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Jul 5, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
I edited my original explanation to one that seems more likely.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jul 5, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
So sad, so tragic. Far too young to die.

Condolences
BruceAnderson

Social climber
Los Angeles currently St. Antonin, France
Jul 5, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
I'm speculating it's those BD style draws where the rubber retainer is sewn inside the draw end (when threaded correctly you can't even see them). And while I agree we should respect the family's feelings at this horrible moment, it does warrant some serious discussion.
With so many kids, younger and younger all the time, climbing at very high levels you have to ask can a 12 year old truly understand the inherent risk of climbing?
The answer is no, regardless of how much training they have. There must be a parent or responsible adult involved at all times. I work with (and am responsible for) kids this age and quite simply they cannot be held responsible for themselves in a life or death situation like climbing (even something as "safe" as sportclimbing.)
It makes me sad and honestly really angry that this happened. I agree with Joe this is the worst sport climbing death ever.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Jul 5, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
Establishing why anyone did or didn't do something seems pointless now.


I disagree. True, it won't change this tragedy. The point is to prevent it from happening again.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
Johntp, I think the key word is "now." While I am certainly wondering myself, my mind is simply overwhelmed with the tragedy, and the grief and guilt that his family and companions must be suffering. My condolences to all.

John
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