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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Jul 12, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
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JLP said:
An open public campground that close to the Front Range would be stampeded and overrun by Mexicans, rednecks, white trash and motorheads...
You are a bigoted, cowardly as#@&%e.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 12, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
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just curious. using white trash is not bigoted but mexican is?
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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Jul 13, 2013 - 01:26am PT
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I'm not sure that I see the offense, unless it was the omission of the modifier "Americans", as in Mexican Americans, either of which beats the hell out of Spic, which is roughly equivalent to "cheap white trash" e.g. residents of E.S.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Jul 13, 2013 - 08:36am PT
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just curious. using white trash is not bigoted but mexican is?
No, the use of white trash is also very offensive.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 13, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
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I thought JLP was being sarcastic... poking at both the inclusiveness of the Eldorado Springs opponents and to the bourgeois affectations of the climbing community...
...that't the way JLP rolls...
but some feel that sarcasm has to be recognizable as such to "qualify." Obviously this interpretation of JLP's post is not universal.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 13, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
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O-Man, get a hold of me when your in town if you have an open day for craggin'.
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o-man
Social climber
Paia,Maui,HI
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Jul 14, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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QuO-Man, get a hold of me when your in town if you have an open day for craggin'.ote Here I sure will Phil. That would be a lot of fun!
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Turok
Trad climber
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Jul 14, 2013 - 01:05am PT
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Nice to see your post Olaf. I trust you are still getting your fair share of waves.
I began climbing in Eldorado in '66 with Dickon Arndt and Paul Sibley. I moved from Boulder to the "Rocky Roost" cabin in Eldo in the Spring of 1970. I am fortunate indeed to have purchased a small cottage on the creek in 1981 which currently serves as a rental. Although my knowledge of the community dynamic is somewhat dated, it is to some extent, comprehensive. I've seen many climbers and non-climbers come and go and a lot of changes take place. Some for the better, some for the worse. One thing remains the same, it has always been, and remains a privilege to live in the canyon. It's just a hell of a lot more expensive than it used to be.
When Jeff Lowe and I started the International Alpine School in '75 our students stayed at the upper campground during courses for the first couple of years. Truth is, I cannot recall a single unpleasant incident between the climbers, the townspeople or anyone else for that matter. Of course the upper campground is not the post office and the demographic of the community was somewhat different. For one thing there were a lot more climbers living in the canyon in those days--individuals who chose to live in the community because of the proximity to the canyon not in spite of the state park. The vibe was different, not necessarily better, just different and perhaps a bit more accepting of economic diversity. Anyway, when Bill and Luanne Fowler closed the campground we housed our students at the youth hostel in Boulder at Collage and 12th street. It worked very nicely. Probably still would if it were available. A key element was that we had an old Dodge van to transport the climbers to and from the hostel. Anyway, in my opinion, even though Eldorado Canyon does not seem as popular as it once was (I was just there for a week and other than the typical queue at the Bastile Crack, it was nearly empty) it will always be appreciated as a rare jewel to adventure (Trad) climbers. Fact is, in a town the size and reputation of Boulder, climbers should have access to convenient, affordable lodging(camping or hostel) allowing them access to the entire front range and RMNP. Now that a vociferous and somewhat organized "portion" of the Eldorado community have demonstrated though a petition and this forum that they do not "resonate" with a hostel near the community, perhaps the AAC could look to the Marshall or South Boulder area instead. Again, regardless of where it is, the Boulder area needs a venue to lodge visiting climbers. This has been a recognized need for as long as I can remember. I for one hope it happens sooner rather than later. It's a travesty that we are still kicking this around.
In closing let me say to "Pitbull": your thinly veiled threats while humorous, were also pathetic. Why would anyone take you seriously when you don't even have the sand in your sack to sign your posts with your real name. I realize that your selfish, cowardly objective was to stir-up the pot however what you actually did, was cast a nasty pallor on the townsfolk of Eldorado in general. I had the opportunity to speak with a number of long-time residents of the community while I was there recently and they expressed disgust with your diatribe. Curiously enough, some of them seemed to know you. In fact, the word on the street (or should I say dirt and magnesium chloride) is that "Pitbull" is actually a she, and that a competing offer for the post office was at the root of the dust-up. Pitbull, I suggest you stick to painting by the numbers until you've been in Eldo a while longer and get the feel of how things work. Observe your neighbors,(not the ones that burn their friends,(you know who you are), but the one's that have your back). You did everyone in town a disservice with your infantile rhetoric and rather than feeling that you accomplished your goal you should be ashamed of your debasement of the community at large. Long after the hostel issue has been forgotten, your character (or lack thereof) will remain an issue. Good luck with this.
Kevin Donald
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o-man
Social climber
Paia,Maui,HI
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Jul 15, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
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EDIT:
Kevin, Thank you for your response to this important issue facing Eldorado Springs.
I value your opinion higher than many due to the fact that for decades you were the quintessential Eldo Climber/ resident. Your ethics and celebrity were and still are to this day inspiring.
I hope our paths cross soon.
Like I stated up thread I am excited to revisit some of those delightful, traditional, rock climbing gems in Eldorado Canyon and feel the Stoke of that magic place.
BTW: I have been getting some great waves on the south side of the island this summer. I am probably going over there today in fact.
Cheers Olaf Mitchell
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Turok
Trad climber
Colorado
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Jul 16, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
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Hi Olaf,
Thanks for your pumehana.
I just sent you a PM with my number. I will be in Eldorado from the 22nd till the 30th with my family.
Be nice to see you.
Cheers!
Kevin
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Jul 16, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
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Thanks too, Kevin. Well-put and the revelation regarding this Pitbull character is helpful as well.
If the AAC can find a bigger better location not too far away---in fact their stated hope and current intention---all's the better for everyone. Not having to shoehorn ourselves into that strange little berg would be a relief.
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