Climbers lodge in Eldorado Canyon?

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BJ

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:33am PT
Let me guess, you live near by Janet, and don't want to deal with all the dangerous drunks who will stay there, and the precipitous loss of property value.

To those bourgeois NIMBY's, I say:

Stay in the Hamptons
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:11am PT
As is often said in the field of planning, a modest hostel located at the mouth of one of American rockclimbings' mother churches is a good thing and perhaps a "highest and best use".

We have the very august and historic organization of the AAC doing it and with a good long track record, too, at such endeavors and six current efforts as demonstration domestically, more abroad. A wonderful and transparent, non-profit org has come to help.

Organizations like this have been planned for the mouth of Eldo for at least four decades. I remember when the Lowes had a school planned there. It is a state park, it should have a bunch of accommodations and land holders nearby really need to share this terrific public resource.
The Wedge

Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:27am PT
“It would change the whole character of Eldorado Springs,” says Helene Jennings. “What will they do at night? We are a residential community.”

We got to find more smart comments for this question.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:30am PT
The NIMBY attitude is exactly what led to the creation of the California Coastal Commission. The Commission is widely criticized, but it is beyond dispute that they have made a huge impact in access and the overall quality of our coastal resources. One example is the limiting of timeshares and requiring hotel rooms.

Look to Florida to see a state where free enterprise decided how development would occur, their coastline is awful, you can drive along their version of the Coast Highway and hardly see the ocean for the wall of condos. It is too bad that there is not an equivalent state wide agency in Colorado that could protect public access to the valuable outdoor resources. Although I suppose that in general there is not that many disputes regarding access in Colorado, while the California coast has intense pressure on it throughout the southern and central coast.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:37am PT
Not like it's without precedence...

In 1908 the grand "Eldorado Hotel" opened for guests, with the finest room in the house renting for $2.50 per night. Those not able to stay in the hotel had choices of accommodations ranging from tents to dormitories or private cottages.

Credit: healyje

P.S. Oh yeah, it's like thirty eight years since I first went to Eldo, screw the gucci shacks, pave the f*#king road already...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
Who doesn't have an agenda?

So the AAC is planning to pony up about $50K per bed? And they plan to charge what?
Purely from a business perspective it is a loser, but Eldo has much to offer to climbers.

Too bad today's prancercizers don't appreciate the history and only want to check their tick lists.

If I had a gucci cabin I'd be hostile to the hostel too.
The AAC could probably get more bang for their bucks elsewhere.
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
This is a project toward which I would seriously consider donating to the AAC.

Modest accommodations near a significant climbing area without any reasonable camping options is something that should be supported.

Parking will be mandated by the County. It seems that locals have been getting a free ride and allowed to park on private property -- and now consider that privilege a right.

In my youth, I liked setting up in Camp 4, and by cleverly evading the ranger once a day, stayed for weeks on end for free. Times change and our expectations need to follow suit.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
As to another agenda. The AAC is committed to aiding climbers. During my term as President it was noted that a number of key climbing areas were deficient in camping opportunities. While this was not a problem for locals it certainly was a deterrent for visiting climbers. Remember climbers are the travelling sort, local today a visitor tomorrow.....we are all members of the same tribe.
We also noted the success with which we had run the Grand Teton Climbers Ranch for over 40 years. With that as a template and with our national scope it was decided to establish climbing hostels and campgrounds where they were needed when the opportunity arose.
In addition to the Tetons; the New River Gorge, Heuco Tanks and the Gunks have sites already or soon to be established.
Hopefully opportunities will arise in other key climbing areas in the near future.
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Does anyone know what ever happened to building a lodge somewhere close to Yosemite? That would seem to me to have a greater need than Eldo.
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
The AAC could probably get more bang for their bucks elsewhere.

Well, at ~300 bucks a night, per room, at the St Julien, the 475,000 dollar up front cost would pay for over 1,500 climber nights at one of the better hotels in town.

jus' sayin'......



steve s

Trad climber
eldo
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
For those of you who think the proposed hostel is okay,can we put a youth hostel next to your house or in your neighborhood and see how it works out for you?
There is a huge list of the impacts on the small,tightly packed in residential community of Eldorado Springs.Too many to list here.If you do not live here or even climb here on a regular basis(3 times/month)you cannot begin to understand the impacts the residents already face from the many park visitors(busiest in the state)and the swimming pool.Sometimes it is overwhelming but at nite they go home and we receive a brief respite from the mayhem.
Before you critique the locals please familiarize yourself with the proposed location. It is not without its own set of problems including the fact that there are residences very close to the proposed location. One has small children.If placed at the proposed location it may force some neighbors with kids to move and leave town.Families make a community not a transient population of vacationing strangers with no connection or commitment to the small community. Also a majority of the climbers who live in Eldo,both renters and homeowners,are against the AAC proposal.
The AAC admitted that the town would see no benefit from having the youth hostel located in town.As for "pompous" locals, you should read the full letter from the AAC by one Penn Burris in response to the Eldo communities letter and petition expressing concern about the AAC proposal. It is the new definition of "pompous". Unless you live in a car or a boat you are all nimbys when something shows up in your neighborhood that has too many negative impacts.Be honest with yourselves,would you want a hostel on the street where you live?
There are much better locations on the front range for this proposal than Eldorado Springs. Thanks ,Steve Sangdahl


Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
“What will they do at night? We are a residential community.”

do you think there are any pet sheep in the hood? if so then locker wants it built. but please put in a one of those things that holds its head. velcro gloves are inconvenient (or so he says).
pitbull

Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:31pm PT
To all those who are dismissing the cincerns of Eldorado Residents about the hostel..you must all be AAC members. Do you know the residents near the GUNX had a petition too? Do you know the AAC uses their millionare boys club of Goldman Sachs hedgefunders and Penn Burris to acquire the campground in NY and WV. Both campgrounds were rezoned for the AAC. DO you realize they are the 1% and you little minions just help them be more arrogant and greedy with your little free rescue insurance and cheap lodging. They rely on you climbers to do their dirty work by lashing out at anyone who does not go along with the mission of the AAC and climbers everywhere Climbers are not the only people entitled to enjoy or have access to the outdoors. People who work hard and pay taxes to live in a neighborhood have the right not to want overnite visitors.

Climbers are not being denied climbing in Eldo you are here everyday climbing taking up local parking spots and driving like maniacs to get to your giant slabs of rock you are so eager to mount.

The AAC has lodging everywhere don't be so greedy and rude. The attitude of climbers towards others is so despicable and arrogant. If the dirtbag hostel gets built remember climbing parasites your cars will be towed if even an inch on local property. Your gear will get trashed or ruined if left outside. You will be greeted with nothing but hostility from locals and the cops will be called everytime one of your entitled members does anything that could be in violation of any law.

You will not have fun at night here and we will make sure none of you can access even a pebble through private property. Good luck have fun way to support community and local business....why not the west end of Pearl Street where you can go have a drink,a bite to eat, or some music. Please spread the word the AAC is not welcome in ELDO WE ARE NOT THE PARK WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ON THE WAY TO THE PARK!!!!

watch out above for falling rocks...
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
Be honest with yourselves,would you want a hostel on the street where you live?
There are much better locations on the front range for this proposal than Eldorado Springs. Thanks ,Steve Sangdahl

The above is not logical, unless the writer thinks that a hostel should not be on a street where anyone lives. I don't think that would make a very nice hostel.
Best way to think of Eldo is like a good university in a bad neighborhood--gotta be ware of the "townies" who don't contribute much if anything to what makes it a nice place, but if you ignore them, they mostly mind their own business.
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
remember climbing parasites your cars will be towed if even an inch on local property. Your gear will get trashed or ruined if left outside. You will be greeted with nothing but hostility from locals and the cops will be called everytime one of your entitled members does anything that could be in violation of any law.

pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV

Okay... nice to hear a voice of reason in this debate.


pitbull

Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
and screw the yuppie locals in their gucci cabins..really we just work for a living instead of living in our cars. we do not want climbers here 24 hours a day. the new river gorge and gunx are campgrounds. why would anyone want you people here.and your 7 dollar park fee ha nothing to do withthe road or the town jackass but I would not expect anything less from a dirtbag like the WEDGE
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
I may be wrong, but I think a lot of those residences were built there especially because of the location to the park and the swimming pool. Some of the old pictures I've seen of the resort show a much more crowded Eldorado than it is now.
pitbull

Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
the place has changed we are not the state park . we just do not want people to have a cheap motel here when all of us pay a lot of money to live here and the AAC is a non profit for elitist climbers who think they deserve to sleep wherever they can.. why can you just leave at the end of the day and go sleep somewhere else. we are not the park and we are not denying any outdoor resource to climbers give me a break ..Penn burriss quoted our members are white males who make over a 100,000 grand a year and are college educated so what we should be so honored to have more strange white men trolling through residential communities especially in Colorado where many a white men have shot, cut up, raped and killed women and children can you guarantee that this wont bring in other creeps you climbers are intolerable of any one else's concerns
BJ

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
OMG! Families will have to move if the hostel comes to town, because there will be a hostel in town. These are families with young, privileged caucasian kiddies.

Think about it, the horror
Lawny

Trad climber
Arvada, CO
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
I love all the accusations that all climbers are dirtbag as#@&%es. Pitbull your ranting just shows the elitist attitude of Eldo residents, oops am I grouping all residents together like you are doing to climbers. I don't care either way if the hostel happens or not. Also Mr. Pitbull, did you just sign up for an account under a anonymous name to bitch on this thread? Also where did you move from to pay high dollar to live in Eldo cause I assume you aren't from there.

John Klooster
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