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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 7, 2013 - 02:10am PT
Come'on ghost
Open ur eyes and look around this country. Or jus in ur neighborhood.
When was the last time u interacted with a group of children that weren't yours?
I volunteered to be a teachers assistant in my daughters 1st grade class and I'm the coach on her minor league baseball team. When you spend time with 30, seven yr olds it's easy to pick out the dysfunctional ones. The ones that want to just rebel against everything going on, and the ones that don't want anything to do with anything. Their usually emotionally distraught.
Or their unable to control their physical prowess. When you can get a little one on one time with them, they largely like to bring up the fact that they only have one parent at home. Or they are living with their aunt and uncle, or grandparents. It's often right on the tip of their tongue. Or seemingly like they just want to wave a white flag. I think at Joshua tree elementary they need as many psychologist as they have "teachers"
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:22am PT
i heard the christians cannot participate in a gay wedding :(
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.


I try, but my GF keeps telling me, "That's an exit only."
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:34am PT
^^^ really Bruce?
Ok so pretend ur Jesus up in the universe looking down on creation
We legalized alchohol. So wouldn't that appropriately make it morally ok for
legal aged drinker? But alchohol and it's side effects is the number one
killer of humans in the US. So do you think Jesus thinks alchohol is ok?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:38am PT
Ok so pretend ur Jesus up in the universe looking down on creation


the 'pretend' part has always been a deal breaker for me.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:40am PT
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.


I try, but my GF keeps telling me, "That's an exit only."

Bwahahahahahaha.

Hahahahaha.

Hahaha.

HAH!

DMT
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:41am PT
Well Blueboy,

Jesus did turn a dull wedding into a kick ass party with his "Penn & Teller" water into wine trick...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:44am PT
So do you think Jesus thinks alchohol is ok?





DMT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Thanks for speeking for me norton..

A moral is only in effect when there are two or more people. If two two people are having sex with a blue buttplug or a vibrating dildo, does that make it morally right for them? Sure.
But when all the people come together and continuously vote against this act, doesn't that make this act immoral?
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:54am PT
doesn't that make this act immoral?


Morality can't be legislated. And it's a free country, remember?

The sooner the christian nut cases figure that out, the sooner we can start living in harmony.

If you wanna live in a country where religious morality is law, then move to Afganistan or Iran.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 7, 2013 - 11:58am PT
A moral is only in effect when there are two or more people. If two two people are having sex with a blue buttplug or a vibrating dildo, does that make it morally right for them? Sure.

We're making some progress here.


But when all the people come together and continuously vote against this act, doesn't that make this act immoral?

Yes and no. At least you acknowledge that morality is a human invention, more progress!

Yes, a society determines its morality, one act at a time. Morality at the societal level may be likened to climate, in a way. There is no single morality. Rather its a collection of behaviors, some acceptable, some not, plotted out in mendlebrot fashion. Fall within the chaotic and seemingly ever-defining and re-defining boundaries? Its moral. Fall outside that norm, its not.

Morality, like the US Constitution, is malleable and changeable. Slavery was once argued to be moral. Now, not so much. Eating pig meat was once immoral. Now, not so much. The list is rather endless. Cannibals have their own morality too, I'm sure.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
There are some common sets of morals that are legislated, it seems to me, such as don't be murdering people, or stealing their goods, etc...

Those have stood the test of time.

There used to be laws prohibiting gay marriage. Now there are two less. The Supreme Court decided the U.S. Constitution overruled those laws. Prop. 8 didn't withstand the test of time, at all. But other morality-related laws remain on the books?

DMT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
If you wanna live in a country where religious morality is law, then move to Afganistan or Iran.

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
There are some common sets of morals that are legislated, it seems to me, such as don't be murdering people, or stealing their goods, etc...

I don't see those as legislated morality, but rather as constitutional protections.

We have consitutional rights, and murdering me or stealing from me infringes on my constitutional rights.

If Joe and Mark are two consenting adults who have sex with each other with a blue butt plug, how does that infringe upon your consitutional righs? It doesn't, and so it's none of anyone else's god damn business.

But... If you create legistation that tries to prevent two consenting adults from having sex with a blue butt plug, then you are infringing upon their consitutional rights.

People need to quit asking WWJD and start asking whether or not it's constitutional. Almost everything proposed by the religious right is unconstitutional.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Yes the U.S. Supreme Court agrees with that logic, SLR.

DMT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:53pm PT

But... If you create legistation that tries to prevent two consenting adults from having sex with a blue butt plug, then you are infringing upon their consitutional rights.

Sure. Anyone can do what they want behind closed doors. Jus cause ur do'in it with a blue buttplug doesn't constitute meaning to call it marriage. Marriage was invented by Jesus. It's a vow between a man and a woman to come together as one exclusively for the reason to procreate. Not to better their tax situation. Lots of men and women "get together" to have sex, even with a blue but plug. But that doesn't constitute marriage! Marriage is the definition of family. Two people combineing genes to have more people. Simple. If everybody used blue butt plugs the world would be vacant in about 50yrs.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
Marriage was invented by Jesus.

So he WAS a bastard child?

DMT
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
"Combining"

Edit- DMT nails it, no wonder Jesus was such a problem child, he never had a proper family.
portent

Social climber
your mom's house
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Marriage was invented by the church when it was running low on funds. Not by Jesus.

Read a book, I mean a different book...
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jul 7, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
cause ur do'in it with a blue buttplug doesn't constitute meaning to call it marriage


I'll concede that to you.

So we'll make marriage a non-legal religious ceremony with no legal standing, and it can take place in the church.

We'll call the legal ceremony "civil union" and open it to all consenting adults.

Everyone's happy. Unless the church's covert plan is deny constitutional rights to non-christians.
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