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splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
the above pic, that ron posted, is of the 19 fallen firefighters that recently lost their lives.

edit: i guess it was deleted.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
Greg, wiping your ass with a Star-spangled napkin is very different than publicly, and intentionally butchering the National Anthem. Would you not agree with that? Is that not sacred?

The National Anthem is something you don't sh#t on for political reasons or political statements. It is what it is, leave it alone!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Hey at least she didn't draw a cartoon of Muhammad. What would the U.S. equivalent be, drawing Ted Nugent?

You do realize that the tune was based off an old British drinking song, long predating Francis Scott Key...
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Is [the National Anthem] not sacred?

sacred: 1. Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity. 2. Worthy of religious veneration.

NO, the National Anthem is NOT sacred you moran.



And Rong, do I understand you correctly... that our government lies to us about climate change, gun control, health care, etc but DOESN'T lie to soldiers about why exactly they are sent off to kill civilians that MIGHT be ASSOCIATED with terrorists?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Hey at least she didn't draw a cartoon of Muhammad. What would the U.S. equivalent be, drawing Ted Nugent?

Oh, the irony. There would be OUTRAGE if the piece of sh#t Muhammad was even spoke of in a bad way.

But twist the National Anthem for politics, that's cool.

And yeah, it IS sacred.

sacred: 1. Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity. 2. Worthy of religious veneration.

NO, the National Anthem is NOT sacred you moran.


What is sacred to you personally?
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
Really blurring dumb fuk extraordinaire? You worship the National Anthem? You consider it a religious song? You are a stupid mother fuker.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
It's not even a good song. Well, maybe when Hendrix does it.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Really blurring dumb fuk extraordinaire? You worship the National Anthem? You consider it a religious song? You are a stupid mother fuker.


I worship God, but I do think the Anthem is also sacred.

What do you consider to be sacred? Please answer that before you continue to slander.

It's not even a good song. Well, maybe when Hendrix does it.


Or Metallica?

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=National+Anthem+Metallica&mid=2DD1A3099FE9244DAFF72DD1A3099FE9244DAFF7&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
"Sacred" I think IS an appropriate description of the anthem, for many people.

Nationalism and religion are part of the fabric of the same coat. Dissing one's country is akin to dissing their family, or their religion. Peel it back? Its all the same thing.

The 10 Commandments of the American Religion.
1. America stands for freedomme, justice and the American Way, (by God)
2. Americans are The Good Guys. America's enemies are the Bad Guys. (by God)
3. America saved the world, TWICE, out of the goodness of her hearts. (by God)
4. America is the greatest nation that ever was. (by God)
5. America stands for democracy and freedomme, the world over (by God)
6. America was founded on the principles of the christian religion (by God)
7. America only fights just wars to protect the weak and the down trodden (by God)
8. Capitalism is a American and there for good and holy. Communism is not American and there for evil and unholy. (by God)
9. America never committed genocide. (by God)
10. The American Flag is like any other holy relic. You dis the flag, you dis the country, you dis the country you are dissing god. (by God)

DMT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
Dingus, which of your 'commandments' do you disagree with specifically?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
^^^ See what I mean?

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
My disagreement isn't at issue here. I don't equate nationalism to religion. I did when I was younger, without realizing it. For me its not a religion. I'm pretty sure that for you, it is.

Which of those do YOU disagree with?

DMT
drewsky

climber
Seattle
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Well, the first half of the thread had at least a few good points and almost bordered on a discussion. The second half is dominated by the reptilian-brained rhetoric of the bigots. If only there was a way to cleave the thread in twain, then the 'conjoined twin' thread (more like a benign yet ugly tumor) could continue wherein Ron and Bluering talk about how America is, in fact, their favorite country...by themselves.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Hmmmm

1. I think the notion of Original Intent is ludicrous. America can, has, does and will continue to - redefine itself, its government, its morality, its culture and its policital will and identity. Original intent is stupid beyond all reckoning.

2. America is neither good nor bad.

3. There are no just wars. Behind the scenes, greedy ruthless people are using nationalism and patriotism for personal gain, EVERY TIME.

4. If America detains and tortures people America is committing a great evil in the world. No just nation does this as a matter of State policy.

5. There is NO PLACE for religion anywhere in our government. I don't include manger scenes or crosses up on hills as a particularly important component of that - I'm ok with them but know it opens the door to other religions insisting on displays too.

6. Capitalism is not a form of government, its not holy nor is it inherently good. Communism isn't inherently bad. In boith economic systems, ruthless sonsabitches manipulate things to their advantage at a cost to the greater population.

7. The flag is not a holy relic.

8. I will not swear to god under any circumstances, ever.

9. The freedom of the individual is the measuring stick by which freedom itself is measured.

10. if you are FOR a war, you go FIGHT THE WAR, personally.

11. Corporations aren't people and aren't individuals and should be prohibited from any poloitical contribution any kind. Unions too. Only individuals should be permitted to donate to political causes, no PACs either.

DMT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
^^^ Drewsky, S.O.P. for the life cycle of threads like these.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
By threads like these you mean the ones with antagonistic troll thread titles?

DMT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Yes DMT. And I concur with your 11 point post above.




'ceptin' i gotsa no iffn i kin ketch thet homasexural diseaz by bellyain a prancer?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
My disagreement isn't at issue here. I don't equate nationalism to religion. I did when I was younger, without realizing it. For me its not a religion. I'm pretty sure that for you, it is.

Which of those do YOU disagree with?

DMT


I disagree with none of them. And neither would the "old crusty white guys' who founded this country.

They specifically attributed the goodwill and virtue of men to religion and faith.

You don't have to though, but don't deny their thoughts.

Lisa summed it up well here, in the words of our Founders;
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/07/03/self-evident-truth

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Original intent is stupid beyond all reckoning.


DMT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
They were wise, those crusty old white guys...

[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no manís life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few. (John Adams, An Essay on Manís Lust for Power)

No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders. (Samuel Adams to James Warren, 1775)

Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks ó no form of government can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men. So that we do not depend on their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them. (James Madison, Virginia Ratifying Convention)

Wise beyond their time. Where did that timeless wisdom come from, where was it learned? The Bible.
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