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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 1, 2013 - 02:20pm PT


Love is love, screw what you think the bible tells you.

Marginalizing people isn't gods way, period.
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Jul 1, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
THERE IS NO GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO BEND OVER BRANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
Andrej, is that you?

Good try.
Farouk

Boulder climber
Sylvan Grove
Jul 1, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 1, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
yeah f*#k those radical spiritual folk.
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Jul 1, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
Chinchen, that was excellent!

Door-to-door Jew... laughed pretty hard at that one.

Charles
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 1, 2013 - 04:39pm PT
Some years ago when I was studying Clinical Pshcy the whole gay question kept coming up and it was quite surprising to see the take people had who were terrified or revolted by gay mariage and so forth.

Without exception, those against all things gay, when pressed to actually explain their convictions, all insisted that there was no such thing as a God-created gay person. God only made us straight folk.

Tha is: Gay people - while the more gracious detractors allowed that they too were God's children - were in fact all perversions of the basic straight article. Some even believed that they were naturally made gay, the poor f*#ks, but in fact they were simply mistaken about their own identity by way of abuse, demonic leanings, lust, and a dire infatualtion with the old corn hole etc. These leanings could in some cases be corrected by way of gay reeducation classes, where a gay identified person could come to know Lord Jesus and get his true (straight) identity back.

So the long and the short of it is that at a fundamental level, most if not all gay detractors are in total denial that so-called God-created, natural born gay folks are real or even exist. They totally deny the possibility. Meaing the gay thing is a perversion of the one true straight template that God determined long ago, that in fact gay folk don't know themselves or their own natures, and need to be "set straight" by religious whackos masquerading as truth mongers and children of God.

And Jesus wept . . .

JL
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
Always said gays should be entitled to the same grei----errrr uhhh happiness that straight folk have.

but if yur "doin it" in public in front of bewildered tourists then laughing and tryin to pizz on them,, then YUR A FRIGGIN PERVERT and should be used to study sharks,, as bait..There seem to be Gay folks and then there are these WHACKOS that roam large cities now. Whats up with them?


Ill tell ya what,, PERVERSION lol! I once had a girlfreind who wanted to do it in view of a CDF con crew odd highway 49.. I said whaaaaa>>>??? Perverted she was.

I couldnt go there, to punish my fellow man in such a way. F that..
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
Ahh Blue, if only we knew only knew thee...


Charles
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
O.k., I can live with that. The Bible is wrong. Fags have everything figured out.
-

Blue by you. Do you believe that God created gay folks ("fags")? Or are they totally mistaken about who they are?

JL
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
I for one have seen 3 gay guys that were once straight that went back to being straight and 2 are now married to women. Dont know where they figure into this equation.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
You happy now, homos? Now STFU! Leave me alone with the homo bullshit!


I really hope you get it someday. What an idiot you were.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
I for one have seen 3 gay guys that were once straight that went back to being straight and 2 are now married to women. Dont know where they figure into this equation.

There's a difference between overt sexual behavior and the "feeling" of an attraction to one's own gender. You NEVER truely know what's going through someone elses mind.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
Farouk sighting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is back, yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

I have a sling for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
Farouk is Moosedrool, aka Andrej.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
Farouk!!!!!! is more likely weld-it and if you don't know who that is then dont ask, don't tell........
Do you think you'll get anyone to open their minds with a GFYS???????
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
Nope.

Just speaking my mind. :)

And, Farouk IS Moosedrool, or so he says.
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Awesome video.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
When did Farouk frame moose Brandon? I think he is messing with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
McCfly

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
Well it's confirmed.

The usual suspects that continually turn my stomach on a regular basis with their extreme right wing political views just confirmed for me that I should trust my gut.

When I read a thread and I react to the words of another that do not quite align exactly with mine I try my best to put things in perspective and remember that much is lost in translation from a afar and online and not everyone thinks like i do or should. I try to remind myself that just because someone does not have the same the same exact belief and value system as me that it does not make them a bad person. I do my best to think they just seem worse than they are.

Well so much for that approach I am done with it, finished! clearly quite a few around here are bad people, very bad people, rotten to the core. You know who you are and just know that anyone with half a sane mind feels you are deserving of nothing more than the hate and intolerance you preach.

Even god himself has no time for your intolerance and hate. It is just your pathological deranged mind that allows you to believe that the bible or Jesus or any other dam thing would justifies your ugly ugly simple little minds.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Mcfly, Farouk means you no harm!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's just trying to learn from us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
When an equal rights issue hinges on the millennia-old writings of delusional xenophobic desert wanderers, it should be pretty clear which side to be on.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
Says the guy who started a donkey dick thread under his old avatar. You guys type fast on these hot button issues. @mcfly
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Awesome video.

Thanks Mark, I thought so as well.
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
So the long and the short of it is that at a fundamental level, most if not all gay detractors are in total denial that so-called God-created, natural born gay folks are real or even exist.

:I don't believe that I am in denial. I just believe that reincarnation exists. So does Karma. I don't believe God created people to be Homosexual. Because of reincarnation, most people with Homosexual desires experience this from a young age, and thus believe that they were created that way. I believe differently.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
Boo hoo hoo. The homophobic marginalizers are whining about being marginalized themselves.
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Hey Dirtbag. I hope you aren't talking about me.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
Personally, i think youd be CAAARAZY to want a man over the beauty of the female form.. That goes for WOMEN too LOL!
dirtbag

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
Not at all John.
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
Cool. Just wanted to make certain as you posted right after me.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
get a room u tu.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Ron gets right down to the basic argument.

If you're gay, you're born that way. It's not your choice, you're wired to like dudes (or chicks if you're a woman).

I'm straight, but this intolerance I see every day bothers me as much as racism.

Nigger and faggot are common words where I live, and I despise hearing them.

Intolerance makes me angry, and it takes a lot for me to be angry.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
If this image makes you uncomfortable?

GET A SHRINK!



DMT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:29pm PT
Blue by you. Do you believe that God created gay folks ("fags")? Or are they totally mistaken about who they are?


God created man and woman. They both both chose to abandom Him.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Poor bastard. Naked, solo and in Tijuana in the middle of the night, right?

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Glad that floats yer trolly dingus.. Me,,,id rather see a roadkill.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:33pm PT

O.k., I can live with that. The Bible is wrong. Fags have everything figured out.

Seems like Evolution would say its wrong also. Afterall they are taking a pledge not to procreate.

And what about Nature? Homosexual sex certainly is not natural.
Why havnt we ever seen animals having homosexual sex?
Seems like most if not all male animals become "aroused" from the scent of
a "dripping hole" and must be concluded by "connecting the dots". In my 50
yrs of walking around, I've witnessed quite a few spieces of animals "having sex"
And I've NEVER seen a male animal stick his penis into another animals'
"pooh hole". Have you?, and what about female animals, how would that work? I quess monkeys could do it since they know how to use sticks for tools?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
That doesn't bother me, I like seeing people being happy and in love.

What's wrong with love?

Should people who are infertile be denied marriage?

Edit;

And I've NEVER seen a male animal stick his penis into another animals'
"pooh hole".

My dogs have proven your claim invalid.
McCfly

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:39pm PT
Donkey Dick yup that was me:

If I remember correctly I posted that in reaction to the "usual bible thumping extreme right wing juvenile" stance on yet another topic. You all can dish it out but you cant take it.

It was meant as joke and if it was taken any other way by anyone you might try to relax. Then think about taking the pole outa that uptight mean spirited ugly bigoted ass hole of yours. Ow weight secretly you like a finger in the taint don't you ;)

You all are worthy of nothing more than the hate you exude. By the amount of teeth MOOSE has left and thick aged skin that only hard hard life of struggle can create ow yeah and where beer drinking falls on his list of priorities I would say life has not been all that kind to him and rightfully so. Most of you right wingers that preach intolerance and hate seem to fit this bill well. Kinda a kawinkydink don't ya think.

You get what you give in this life fact, hate breed hate, anger breeds anger. You are a miserable bunch of sad sacks.




bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:39pm PT

What's wrong with love?

Should people who are infertile be denied marriage?


I disagree with it, but think it should be legal. Like early-term abortion.

Just do not tell me I have to accept it as something 'normal'.

Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
Happy Canada Day!

Here gay marriage ( and divorce ! ) is legal. I teach loads of kids from 2-mum families and have had the pleasure of teaching the sons of a 2-dad family ( much more rare )

They're just families. Just like man/woman + kid families. No better; no worse. Full stop.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
As far as kids go i believe the YIN and YANG are equally important. Thats just me.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
Awwww Dingus! ...not twin brothers gobble-kissing
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Just do not tell me I have to accept it as something 'normal'.

That's fine, just don't tell me I have to accept your thinking as something 'normal'.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Just do not tell me I have to accept it as something 'normal'.

Just accept it.

I'll say it again, love is love. It needs no restrictions or boundaries.
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
You get what you give in this life fact, hate breed hate, anger breeds anger

This is true, unless and until someone makes a conscious decision to break the chain.


You are a miserable bunch of sad sacks.

GFYS, gay marriage haters.

same ol same ol.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:57pm PT

So the long and the short of it is that at a fundamental level, most if not all gay detractors are in total denial that so-called God-created, natural born gay folks are real or even exist.

:I don't believe that I am in denial. I just believe that reincarnation exists. So does Karma. I don't believe God created people to be Homosexual. Because of reincarnation, most people with Homosexual desires experience this from a young age, and thus believe that they were created that way. I believe differently.


There you have it. The entire anti-gay argument in a nutshell. They are not actually arguing against gays. They're saying in no ucertain terms that they don't actually exist in nature, but only in the person's head.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is denial of biblical proportions.

JL
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Just do not tell me I have to accept it as something 'normal'.

Just don't tell us we have to accept your idiotic drivel as something other than narrow minded homophobic bullsh#t.
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
Its not denial. I see clearly that many homosexuals feel that they were born that way. In one respect, they were. But not as a source of the Creator, but as a source of choices and experiences from previous lifetimes. The problem is that we don't clearly remember our previous lifetimes. This is in part due to the karmic buildup on this planet.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
Where ELSE could it be from John, other than the "Mind"?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
Glad that floats yer trolly dingus.. Me,,,id rather see a roadkill.

Enjoy!

DMT

WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
There are the "senses" then higher is the "mind" still higher is the "Intelligence" and still higher is the "soul".

Where John is coming from requires one to have experience with all of the above .....
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
What I am saying is that I believe in a Creator. I also believe that the Creator did not create us to be homosexual. Choices and experiences have led people down that path. And then over lifetimes it becomes an ingrained experience which causes one to feel that they were born that way. This is due to the inability of most to remember their previous lifetimes.

Edit: The scriptural teachings on reincarnation were done away with in the Christian religion in the 4th century.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Mcfly, mellow out mr easy to get a rise. I was yankin' your chain yet again and was making a very tiny joke. You wanna paint me with your wide brush and throw me in with the Homophobes?? Now that's funny!

For the record, my best friend died from AIDS and I was the best man at my friend's gay wedding last time it was legal in 2008 in California.

And blueblockr is plain wrong, lots of documented gay sex in the animal kingdom.

EDIT to John M. My gay friends were born gay and would have preferred being born straight so they wouldn't have to have hid it from friends and family for so long.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
Where ELSE could it be from John, other than the "Mind"?

Seriously?

I want to diss you so badly right now, but I won't, because I'm better than that.
Tricouni

Mountain climber
Vancouver
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
Happy Canada Day!

Here gay marriage ( and divorce ! ) is legal. I teach loads of kids from 2-mum families and have had the pleasure of teaching the sons of a 2-dad family ( much more rare )

They're just families. Just like man/woman + kid families. No better; no worse. Full stop.

Bang on, Tami! They're just people, like all of us on this thread.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
sooo is Brandon finally "coming out" here er whut?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
Here you go jennie, just for you!



DMT
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
Why do ask Ron? Gonna hit on him? NTTAWWT
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
The animal kingdom along with the physical Earth out pictures the human condition. Animals were not created to behave in such a manner. Just as they were not created to prey on each other. That is a result of the predominance of mankinds choices to turn from God and thus create a world where one must wrest their sustenance from the weeds and the thistles and from each other.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
Classy, Ron.

I like women and equal rights, you got a problem with that?

And John, my dogs hump each other all the time.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Why do ask Ron? Gonna hit on him? NTTAWWT

There is if he's wearing his Lady Gaga Tranny Roadkill Meat Dress! I mean you read so yourself... dude has some nasty fetishes!

DMT
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
John M, your silly religious views are just as irrelevant as all the others.

If being gay is just a choice, can you tell us when did you decide you didn't like sucking cocks?
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
You don't read very well Wes. . But congrates on the Doctorate.
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
And Wes.. you may not have formally joined a religion, and it may not exist in writing, but your beliefs are a form of religion subscribed to by many. So trying to belittle me for my beliefs by labeling them religious is .. silly.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
I see nothing, Dingus...The NSA has rendered me back on dial-up

(Nice outfits, though. Hopefully, they don't fly United) :-)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
Class A you might say.

DMT
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
no such thing as a God-created gay person. God only made us straight folk.

So god isn't the most powerful omniscient/omnipresent/omnipotent thing in the universe, what is? I mean, didn't it create everything in heaven and earth? Seems like they're cutting off god's balls to spite it's face....

And if god hates gays so much and it can wipe them out with just a blink of an eye, then why hasn't it? And if it hates gays so much, what does that say about the innocent children born with horrific debilitating diseases and people dying early who have done unbelievable good without asking for recognition? That's how it shows love!? I've got all these questions, why can't god answer them if it's omnipresent?

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHmTqoLjlXo]
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
And John, my dogs hump each other all the time.

I'm sure that they do. As I said. Animals out picture the human condition. That condition is a direct result of choices made by humans combined with what we were originally created to Be. We were not originally created to be homosexual.
sullly

Trad climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
If DMT is Jennie this would be the greatest troll of all time. I'm starting to think they are one in the same.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:29pm PT
Im glad neither my mom or dad was gay.. I wouldnt be here.

And Timid,, saddly Brandon doesnt sound like a female stripper or whore, which are my type o gals. So the answer would be NO. NTTAWWT
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
DMT just has a huge crush on Jennie.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
If DMT is Jennie this would be the greatest troll of all time. I'm starting to think they are one in the same.

We are THAT GOOD.



DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
DMT just has a huge crush on Jennie.

I think you're pretty hot too DrChrist!

DMTR
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
What can I say, you have excellent taste.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Right?

DMT
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:34pm PT

So god isn't the most powerful omniscient/omnipresent/omnipotent thing in the universe, what is? I mean, didn't it create everything in heaven and earth? Seems like they're cutting off god's balls to spite it's face..

In the beginning was God. And God was all that there was. Then God created the heavens and the earth and populated the Earth with man, a being made in God's image. God then gave man dominion over the Earth and all there on, including the beasts of the land and of the sea. And God saw that it was good.

Then man denied God as creator and thus man fell out of grace, and all of creation that exists today on Earth stems from mans decisions.

We were created to be more of God. To do that we were given many of the powers of God, even the power to abuse life. Which we did. That abuse has led to mans current condition.

Thus, God did not create mans current condition. We did.

WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
WTF is this guy



Looks like a c*#k eater for sure ....
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
Love is awesome and I support it in every way, shape, or form.

Long live love!!!

All you haters can GFYS!!! It bears repeating.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
C*#k eating, Werner?

Man, you are into some kinky cannibal shit!
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Sucks that John M keeps taking a dump in this thread.

At least WB is here to clean it up.
John M

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
All you haters can GFYS!!

Brandon, I think you are a good guy, but this is such a funny statement. You are angry with people for being hateful, so you are hateful towards them. What does that say about you?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Says he's a troll same as the guy proselytizing about reincarnation...

but what do I know?

DMT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
Well, christian fundamentalists will be christian fundamentalists, no matter how wrong they are.

I feel sorry for them. If there is a god, they will be judged poorly on account of their bias.

Edit; I'm a kind human, but intolerance raises my ire. There is no place for it in my life, and there should be no place for it in anyone's life. There I go again, telling all of you how to be kind, my bad.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
If DMT is Jennie


It's true Sully...Dingus even has the Happy Valley Twang down...when he's not southern drawling...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
Thanks ladies for putting a smile on an angry thread. :-D

DMT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:52pm PT



By Patricia McBroom, Public Affairs

BERKELEY -- The level of male hormones in the womb can influence an unborn child's future sexual orientation, according to new research from a University of California, Berkeley.

Marc Breedlove, professor of psychology, also found that higher levels of these male hormones, or androgens, can create a greater than normal tendency for both males and females to develop a homosexual orientation.

"There is no gene that forces a person to be straight or gay," said Breedlove, who studies the biology of sexual orientation. "I believe there are many social and psychological, as well as biological, factors that make up sexual preference.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
This has turned into such a fun thread!

Separating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
Who cares what people do and who they love. I consider myself a bit religious but chose to not adhere to beliefs that do not gel with reality. Also, all those that hate for or against something like gay marriage can GFYS LOL. Hate on either side of the argument is just that...HATE.
Also, divorce attorneys are salivating. I think it is OK to hate attorneys though.

Gene

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
Why does every discussion about gays and marriage remind me of the bickering nonsense usually confined to 6th grade homerooms?

If you oppose gay marriage, donít marry anyone of your gender.

If you support gay marriage, marry whomever you want.

Simple.

Carry on.
g
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
This has turned into such a fun thread!

Separating the wheat from the chaff, so to speak.

You've done nothing.

You don't have clue what's going on.

You just think you do.

This gay and hetro argument stuff is bottom feeder garbage and stupid.

Real knowledge is much higher than that .....
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
"bottom feeder" DOH! Isnt there a bar in Reno called that?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
You've done nothing.

You don't have clue what's going on.

You just think you do.

Really, Werner?

I'm a kind, caring individual.

It seems that you are as well.

Why are you busting my chops?

Just because?

Whatever your reason, I still think you're an excellent human.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
hahahaaa... WB's not a human.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:11pm PT



1 Bedroom Apt. / Condo Rental in Phuket, Thailand



Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
This gay and hetro argument stuff is bottom feeder garbage and stupid.

Real knowledge is much higher than that .....

Can't argue with that.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
Where ELSE could it be from John, other than the "Mind"?

Seriously?

I want to diss you so badly right now, but I won't, because I'm better than that.


Easy, Brandon. The silly poultroon who dashed that off is refering to another thread where all-or-nothing thinking has some of the followers by the short hairs and they can't see anything but machinery out there. It's no fault of their own, I have come to believe. They were simply never given to qustioning their own thoughts, as if everthing was true so long as they thunk it.

For instance, it's almost certain that sexual orientation is a brain stem, instinctual and involuntary response the same way the us straight folk yearn poon. Meaning sexual orientation is not an idea or belief of persuation nor yet the residue of a past life. It's part of a person's genetic make up.

An all-or-nothng thinker will take that and reason that ALL human behavior and subjective processes are perforce genetically driven. This, we now know, is in psychological/cognitive science terms, a thought distortion. Much as those who think a gay person would "choose" that lifestyle for the simple pleasure of being help up as a faggot, deamon, and rotton no-good delusional perv by all the geniuses on this thread, whose guiding light are excerpts from the 2,000 year old part of the bible known as the Old Testiment. But in typical all-or-nothig thinking, and given the vast differences between the old and new testiments, a fundamantalist would have to believe that the bible is entirely true, or entirely false, in a literal away. Had they ever actaully done biblical hermaneutics, they'd soon realize that primne biblical chapters like Song of Songs were never literal documents to begin with. But no one is acusing these people of being nucanced thinkers, or thinkers at all - and we can easily see why.

JL


BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:41pm PT

I feel sorry for them. If there is a god, they will be judged poorly on account of their bias.

Yea, Bias toward the sin. Not the sinner. I don't hate any person for having homosexual sex acts. I get along fine with most of the "gays" I've met. Jus like I've met alot of nice people that were thieves. And even a couple of murderers. Other than that one instance of killing someone, he was a great guy. So do I hate all murderers and thieves? No just the mind-set
that brought them to commit these deplorable acts.

I hate stealing, but I love giving
I hate killing, but I love procreating
I hate buttholes, but I love pussy

You can call me a hater. But don't forget to call me a lover too..
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
I hate buttholes, but I love pussy
-

It's got to be a indicator of my immatrity, but soon as I see that whacky sh#t I start laughing my ass off.

I can't get my mind around buggery nohow but to each his own.

JL
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
Largo buttholes are cute too!
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
Trailer Park Boys is the best. Where but from Canada would you get that kind of ease with two men in a relationship ?

Oh, and Juan ....
us straight folk yearn poon.

I'm straight and don't yearn poon. :-D Ooops on the male-centric statement.

Giggle, hahhahaha, guffaw, tee hee hee. Hey, now, aren't you supposed to be writing a book or sth?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
Jul 1, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
I can't get my mind around buggery nohow but to each his own.

Well said. I personally, couldn't agree more. I believe that that being "gay" is all nurture and zero nature. The thought of intimacy with another dude makes me want to puke. Yet, as far as the gay marriage issue is concerned, just because it isn't my lifestyle choice, I think that people should have the right (not any church or the Government) to choose what they want for themselves.

A bar patron who frequents the bar that I manage, showed me this...


He's a self professed flamer and a funny MF too. Laughed my ass off.



BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
, I think that people should have the right (not any church or the Government) to choose what they want for themselves.

Hear,Hear, I Agree! Afterall we do live in a country that was started by men running away from suppression. They were so inspired they wrote down a page of words and meanings
inwhich we are still trying to aspire to today. Some of which are; "We are all endowed by our
Creator with certain inalienable RIGHTS, among those rights are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." and, " All men are CREATED EQUAL" and " the sanctimony of MARRIGE shall be between a man and a woman through wedlock". These are words put together to propose a meaning. Written in 1776. Some 4000 yrs before that, the Creator
used words like " one man and one woman shall leave their parents and come together in a MARRIGE to become as one united. In order to procreate and start their own family".

Now these are all just words. But words come from the heart. And we can hold these words up and try to deciefer their meanings. OR we can jumble them up to make them mean what we want..

I'm more pissed off with our language... I can care less what you wanna do in the bedroom!!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
Newsflash - that is exactly what the Supreme Court does for a living. It holds those words up and deciphers them. And they just deciphered California's Prop 8 and the Federal 'man woman benefits' thing to be unworthy of the law.

DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
If some of you guys had a brain, you'd be dangerous.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:55am PT
Gary, Sorry but i started with ur first box " nuclear family". And none of what's written there is in my bible. my Genesis 2:24 sez; "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. 25 and they were both naked, the man and his wife, and we're not ashamed.

I don't believe ur cut-n-paste on Marrige to be very trustworthy.
Do you believe that stuff?
Or did you think I did?

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:09am PT
Hilarious...

A bunch of straight dudes arguing about what being gay is like !

GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:10am PT
The fact that this thread even exists... Lets raise a glass for being on the right side of history.

Live, love, and have empathy. Elevate your consciousnes.

Spent the weekend at a wedding with my (new) aunts, married with 2 kids. The most amazing children I'd met. Absolute respect and love in that family.

Peace!


(P.s. - I don't want to picture any of YOU having sex, either. People are so much more than their sexuality.)
BobLoblaw

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:19am PT
"And what about Nature? Homosexual sex certainly is not natural.
Why havnt we ever seen animals having homosexual sex?
Seems like most if not all male animals become "aroused" from the scent of
a "dripping hole" and must be concluded by "connecting the dots". In my 50
yrs of walking around, I've witnessed quite a few spieces of animals "having sex" And I've NEVER seen a male animal stick his penis into another animals'
"pooh hole". Have you?, and what about female animals, how would that work? I quess monkeys could do it since they know how to use sticks for tools?"

This is a completely ignorant statement. Homosexual sex is pretty common in nature, especially among other primate species. As a biologist, I've personally seen it dozens of times while working on a monkey research project. Female bonobos perform a sexual act together called "GG rubbing" that's so common a quick Google search would probably give you 10+ papers on it. You're already on the internet, maybe use it to inform yourself before stating things that are patently false.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:25am PT
Why would u need the Internet for info when U got 1 book with everything u need to know.


As usual, Jim B is on point:



Hilarious...

A bunch of straight dudes arguing about what being gay is like !



Fish Boy

Social climber
Squeamish
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:35am PT
To the people who suggest same sex coitus only occurs in the species homo sapiens and not other species and drawing the conclusion that therefore it is unnatural, you are completely wrong.

Here's some dumbed down wiki information for you...scroll down to read about several species homo sexual behaviours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Research indicates that various forms of same-sex sexual behavior are found throughout the animal kingdom. A new review made in 2009 of existing research showed that same-sex behavior is a nearly universal phenomenon in the animal kingdom, common across species

One species in which exclusive homosexual orientation occurs is that of domesticated sheep (Ovis aries). "About 10% of rams (males) refuse to mate with ewes (females) but do readily mate with other rams.

Even if you believed that homo sapiens were the only species to exhibit this behavior, why would it therefore be deemed unnatural? Does a trait have to be found in more than one species to be natural? Where is the logic in that?

Even if homosexuals cannot reproduce together, it doesn't mean that evolutionary theory would decrease the occurrence of homo sexuality. Not all members of a species have to reproduce in order for them to be natural or normal. Billions of ants don't reproduce, however they have a very obvious evolutionary selection process occurring. Lot's of heterosexual homo sapiens are born without the ability to reproduce.

Genetics and the influence that our world has upon them is very complex, don't attempt to understand it without attempting to do some research.

And throw away your f*#king bibles....

(BobLoblaw beat me to it two posts above!)
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:39am PT
And throw away your f*#king bibles....

Hey now!!!











You should burn em instead. Great firewood, and can you imagine the landfills otherwise?

:)
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:15am PT

[quote]Here's some dumbed down wiki information for you...scroll down to read about several species homo sexual behaviours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals[/quote]

Homosexual behavior is NOT homosexual intercourse!

There are NO "gay" animals.
Fish Boy

Social climber
Squeamish
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:26am PT
Homo sexual behavior includes intercourse, as does hetro sexual. It also includes all other forms of intimacy that homo sapiens and many other social creatures exhibit.

Try not to simplify the issue.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:42am PT
^^^ you ought to back and reread ur wiki link
Fish Boy

Social climber
Squeamish
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:42am PT
Fish Boy

Social climber
Squeamish
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:44am PT
This part?

Such behaviors include sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same-sex animal pairings.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 2, 2013 - 09:48am PT
It's clear that much of the opposition to gay marriage is based in religion. In the US particularly, it seems that the common theme in the "No" camp is some variation on "God intended marriage to be between one man and one woman."

In fact, the more I think about it, the more it seems to me that that is the only ground for opposition. Have any of you heard other arguments? Or of opposition from non-religious people?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 09:50am PT
It's clear that much of the opposition to gay marriage is based in religion.

Actually based in suppressed homo-erotic urges coupled with peer pressure and bag-of-dirt ignorance.

DMT
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 09:57am PT
^^^^ couldn't have said it better.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:05am PT
I think all marriages should be dark & dank.

If you have to be happy & gay so be it.



John M

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:24am PT
Actually based in suppressed homo-erotic urges coupled with peer pressure and bag-of-dirt ignorance.

This is just mean and ignorant. There is no peer pressure on me, except from people who believe like you. Most of Christianity rejects the teachings on reincarnation and my own family labels me a heretic. My life would be so much easier if I just changed my beliefs.

You think highly of yourself Dingus, and sneer at those who believe differently from you. And when you don't have an argument, then you resort to insults. Its beneath you.

I thought better of you too GDavis.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:34am PT
There is no peer pressure on me, except from people who believe like you. Most of Christianity rejects the teachings on reincarnation and my own family labels me a heretic. My life would be so much easier if I just changed my beliefs.

Couldn't care less, mate. You brought it up. No need to drape your protective religious mantle over the actual subject matter here - gay marriage haters. If you fit that bill, then you wear the damned hat, and wear it proudly. Stop hiding behind this religious bullsh#t.

You think highly of yourself Dingus, and sneer at those who believe differently from you.

Sometimes.

And when you don't have an argument, then you resort to insults.

Didn't like being referred to as bag-of-dirt ignorant, did you? Did it make you want to puke?????

DMT
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:42am PT
This isn't paper or plastic, it's human rights. There is no 'opinion' on it and the crucible of time will show it.

I grew up to it a few years ago. Will you, or do you cling to tired and dead dogma?

I am ignorant on many topics - that's why I learned to listen to others.

Go tell my aunts they shouldn't be together. Go tell a grown man what he can and can't do. To their face. If your 'opinion' is plausible and respectable.

It is rooted in hate and ignorance. Lots of times I'm screwing around here for a chuckle. Real talk - go look someone in the face and say what you think here.
John M

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:43am PT
No Dingus, I didn't like you saying that I have suppressed homosexual desires. Thats a typical low insult. Do you enjoy being insulted?

And I don't hide behind my religious beliefs. How is it hiding if I am standing here stating what I believe and subjecting myself to your insults?

For your edification, I have a number of homosexual friends. They know what I believe. I don't try to force my beliefs on them and they respect me for that. I also don't hide my beliefs, which they also respect. Something you could learn.

You have expressed in the past that you don't like people who jump to labels, yet that is exactly what you do with anyone who states any religious belief which goes contrary to what you believe. . Unless its some wishy washy unconditional nonsense. Then you just ignore it. But when someone challenges you, then you resort to insults. Thats pretty low.

The only thing that you have are insults. They don't and won't serve you well.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:45am PT
No Dingus, I didn't like you saying that I have suppressed homosexual desires. Thats a typical low insult.

If you please, why did you take insult to this label?

DMT
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:46am PT
I'm all for rational discussion. Why are you against gay marriage?
John M

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:47am PT
It is rooted in hate and ignorance. Lots of times I'm screwing around here for a chuckle. Real talk - go look someone in the face and say what you think here.

So is your opinion of me. Rooted in hate and ignorance. You resorted to insults and you don't even know me.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:47am PT
You have expressed in the past that you don't like people who jump to labels, yet that is exactly what you do with anyone who states any religious belief which goes contrary to what you believe.

This is what I mean about draping a protective mantle over your shoulders.

Now if we could return to the topic at hand.... where does the hate, where does the insult, in this lifetime if you will, arise? Why do you take insult at the label 'suppressed homo-erotic urges'?

DMT
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:49am PT
"So is your opinion of me. Rooted in hate and ignorance. You resorted to insults and you don't even know me."

I have no idea who you are nor did I single you out. The ego inserted yourself.

For the life of me I can't remember a discussion you and I had.

Ill be in the tuolumne meadows campground most July. I'd love to get to know you and have a discussion there. I literally grew up in chat rooms and understand the dynamics perhaps differently as it appears everyone interprets bland text on their own accord.

My family is very religious and I love then very much. Many of them have been helped by it. That doesn't mean religion sets the standard for 'morality.'

Have your own interpretation of the bible, live your own life as an example.

But let others live THEIR life. The bible has no more answers for how to be a good person in 2013 as Harry potter.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:50am PT
If someone called you a fag, to your face, would that be an insult?

Would you take it as one, regardless of intent of the speaker?

If I smiled and winked at you and said you were a magnificent fag, a wonderful queer, a hunky homo, would those labels cause you discomfort? I would truly mean you no insult nor disrespect, in saying those things, promise!

DMT
John M

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:52am PT
I'm not necessarily against gay marriage. I believe that it is wrong in the eyes of God, but I'm not certain that God wants me to try and force his/her beliefs on anyone. But I also know that because it is wrong, that there are consequences, and if I don't speak up about my beliefs, then I am in essence, condoning these kinds of behaviors. Consequences that the entire world has to pay for. Ignorance as an excuse only works for so long. There is Karma to be paid. We will all be paying that Karma back shortly. The cycles of time are here.
John M

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Dingus, I know how to take a joke. My gay friends have jokingly called me a fag. I understand a joke.

Are you saying that you were joking? Because its not easy to see that.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:56am PT
Ah, the westboro approach.

The karmic equation is irrational. If you fear another sodom and gamorha I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.
John M

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:58am PT
I don't understand your implications Greg. What do you mean by "the westboro approach". To me those people are truly misguided and at times cruel.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:59am PT
Them that smell the fart first are generally the authors of said fart.

Everytime this topic comes up, the same men will rush to assert their masculinity. As if the very topic of gay marriage is some threat to their hormonal balance.

These are the guys who would get in fights in Jr High if someone called them a fag. Why? Past lives and religions really have nothing to do with the talking of insult.

"I am not a fag!" In Shakespearean prose.

Whatever.

DMT
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:05am PT
We were created to be more of God. To do that we were given many of the powers of God, even the power to abuse life. Which we did. That abuse has led to mans current condition.

Thus, God did not create mans current condition. We did.

Not buying it. I still posit that if your god created everything and yet we somehow were able to create something (aberrant behaviors, etc) beyond it's control, then god isn't the ultimate power. In fact, we're more powerful than it.

Alternately, you're saying that god, acting as a parent, gave us a bent fork and said, "don't stick that in the electrical outlet or I'll be mad!" Sounds like pretty neglectful parenting in my book.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:06am PT
It's ok, dingus. Some think sexuality is black and white. Just like good and evil.

Even gender is grey. If you don't get that, you need some new friends :)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Even gender is grey.

MY GENDER IS NOT GAY!!!11111

:-D

DMT
John M

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:07am PT
I don't fear the future Greg. I am concerned about what is coming. Mostly because I believe that it is coming, and yet few are even ready to listen, and thus will pay a heavy price.

If you fully believed that something was coming down the pike. Yet you also knew that most people would not listen, and would heap scorn on you for having that belief, then what would you do? I believe that the cycles of time have turned, and this worlds Karma is about to hit. Specifically in December or January. If it doesn't happen, then you can heap scorn on me all that you want and I will take it.

I have been debating starting a thread on prophecy. I'm just not certain that I want to subject myself to the scorn that people like you and Dingus will heap on me.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:07am PT
God made SIDS :)

People killed by Satan in the bible - 13
People killed by God - 2million+

But it's ok, they were having gay sex.

Satan gave us the apple and wanted us to draw our own conclusions. He tried to feed a fasting Jesus and didn't do sh#t to Job.

Hail satan!
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:09am PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWGO3ePMcMg

he's not a fag....
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:10am PT
"I don't fear the future Greg. I am concerned about what is coming. Mostly because I believe that it is coming, and yet few are even ready to listen, and thus will pay a heavy price. "

Then go wear a sandwich board in Times Square.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:12am PT
It is rooted in hate and ignorance.

Still, if you don't think ol' time religion plays a role in all this then you've never been in the grip of its theism as a worldview. Or you have no real life experience knowing someone who has.

It remains one of the strangest queerest things of all - how people can hear a religious devotee (a bluering or Cragman or John M or Klimmer) tell them straight up to their face it's their religion or it's what God says that motivates and directs them - yet they dismiss this as NOT REALLY the cause (of their ideas or ideation or their attitude or their behavior).

Perhaps it is the "curse of knowledge."

.....

I have been debating starting a thread on prophecy. I'm just not certain that I want to subject myself to the scorn that people like you and Dingus will heap on me.

Not to mention HFCS. ;)

Believe me, I see through you like glass.

Get your head out of the bronze age. Take some science courses. Educate yourself.

P.S. I don't care how old you are, either, as long as you're of the voting demographic. No free passes for old men who vote. If you vote, then you should require of yourself to adapt, to upgrade, to discard outdated beliefs that are impediments to progressive, informed, functional democratic rule.

Btw, your posts above are just a half-step from claiming homosexuality and other bible-based abominations are the cause of earthquakes, disease and such. Clearly you have a faith in bronze age desert dwellers and their literature. But where is your evidence-based faith in 21st century modernity. Sad.
John M

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:14am PT

Everytime this topic comes up, the same men will rush to assert their masculinity. As if the very topic of gay marriage is some threat to their hormonal balance.

Here you go again with the judgments and the labels.

Its a silly argument because you post on the same threads. Its also silly because you claim to dislike judgmental people.

God says to judge not, lest we be judged, but if we do judge, then to judge righteously. We can of course disagree what is righteous. That is what we are doing here. What I don't understand if how you can't see your own hypocrisy.
John M

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:16am PT
Then go wear a sandwich board in Times Square.

More insults.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:21am PT
What I don't get is that the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution.
Or did they come here just so they could be the persecutors?

Actually, I think we all can agree that America's true religion is the Pursuit
of the Holy Buck. If that is so then gay marriage is good for business,
well, if you're a florist or a home furnishings retailer. But it will also
be good for the accountants and lawyers who run this country so why are they
holding things up? Oh, wait, a lot of those lawyers work for the guvmint
which doesn't want to lose all that tax income from the newlyweds' joint
filing status.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:22am PT
You walked right into that one :)
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Can you guys take a break from insulting each other for a minute (or, not insulting in Dingus' case) and help me with my question? I'd still like to know if there is opposition to gay marriage that isn't based in religion.

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
Couldn't care less, mate. You brought it up. No need to drape your protective religious mantle over the actual subject matter here - gay marriage haters. If you fit that bill, then you wear the damned hat, and wear it proudly. Stop hiding behind this religious bullsh#t.

Exactly. Hate is hate and should never be tolerated. It should be squashed immediately. It should never be allowed to get its foot in the door. It allows people to do evil, all in the name of some f*#ked up religion. Or ideology.

F*#k that sh#t.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
Ghost, I've met my share of homophobe atheists.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
If you want non-religious reasons not to change the definition of marriage, maybe you should ask the Chinese or Russians, not suoertopians.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Have any of you heard other arguments?

There are non-religious arguments based on the premise that having both a male and female parent is better for the development of children. After all, one of the purposes of marriage as an institution in society is to formally establish a family unit that provides a stable environment for children. (Of course in the real world, marriage doesn't always serve that purpose very well.)

Having two parents of two genders is the circumstances under which humans have lived for many generations, so it is arguable that the biological development of a child's brain has evolved to respond better to this environment.

Although it is a reasonable hypothesis, there is no scientific data to support the idea that having a mom and dad of different genders is necessarily "better." It's also a difficult thing to measure.

I don't think there is much hard evidence that having gay parents influences the developmental psychology of children either way, but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that shows that kids raised by gay parents do just fine.

Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Ghost, I've met my share of homophobe atheists.

Thanks. Do you know what their reasoning is?
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Possibly a manliness issue, small penis, or as DMT has mentioned, repressed homosexuality. Twice in the early 80's I wore a bright pink shirt because I thought it was punk and both times long haired stoners tried to fag bash me. They did not seem religious.

If I was gay I wouldn't consider someone with anti gay marriage views as a friend.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
I'd still like to know if there is opposition to gay marriage that isn't based in religion.


That's a very interesting question, especially if it is backed up by actual data.

I think the main driver in all of the gay bashing is fear, as though homosexuality is contageous, and all you have to do is tempt some folk and they'll generate spontaneous gay lust and get straight to clam bumping et al. This is really another iteration of the "there is no such thing as a natural gay person, it is all by choice."

It would be interesting to find out what the data says per sexual orientation being choice as opposed to a native, involuntar response, which certainly seems to be the case with me. I never choose to like girls. It has always seemed the most natural thing to do.

The problem with most of the anti-gay folk is that they violte the number one rule about something or some one: If you want to know the truth, start by asking a bunch of questions from the people involved so you have some first hand, empiracle info. On the other hand you have the gay detractors who ask no questions and instead inform the queer who he or she really is, but doesn't know. These are the folk who have no interest in learning anything new, and instead look only to bolster their current understanding, seeking no new information or experinces, rather allies who can back them up.

This was hugely at play in another thread I was on and it was sobering to see so-called adventurous folk willing to repeat the same route, so to speak, but totally unwilling to go into brand new terrain - thour they would speculate endlessly about what had to be there, based on their own projections.

And that's how I largely see the anti-gay crowd - that it is largely fear and projections, evidenced by the totaly lack of questions since their mind is already made up what the truth is. So here you have a closed cognitive loop, and only powerful and direct experiences can hope to change such a rigid mindset, something particular to older folks "lost in the matrix," and strangely proud of it.

Not everyone wants to look at things with rigorous and fearless honestly.

JL
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
That's to funny.

"the westboro approch" misguided & sometimes cruel.

No down right EVIL.

Anyone that would do what they do in front of a fallen American soldiers family, at his or hers funeral is sick, a traitor, & EVIL.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:01pm PT

Having two parents of two genders is the circumstances under which humans have lived for many generations, so it is arguable that the biological development of a child's brain has evolved to respond better to this environment.

DUH! It is THE reason that we've lived for so many generations!
It is America's greatest shame that we have so many unwanted children. One would think that as "smart" as we are, we would hold up our children as our Greatest commodity. And the brightest light for the future. Instead, just in the last year we killed over 600,000 kids before they were able to take their first breath. And how many hundreds of thousands have been left at the adoption door? This IS the root to the disintegration of America.

Dissolve the meaning of family and it's morals, and what do you have left?

The last black eye was putting wife's in the workplace. Having both parents
going to work and leaving the kids with a sitter. Has only taught the children that money
is more important than family.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
Bob Loblaw's law blog sums up the essence of the religiously based homophobic opposition to same sex marriage.

http://bobloblawlawblog.ytmnd.com/


Those who think homosexuality is all nurture and no nature need to get out more. My next door neighbors growing up had 2 boys, about 12 months apart. I was 5 years old when the oldest was born. They did everything together. By the time the oldest one was 5 it was obvious he was gay and the younger one was not. He would play with my sister's hair rather than play catch... now he is a very well paid and well known hair dresser, and in a committed gay relationship.

I asked my old (gay) boss when he realized he was gay. He said since as early as he could remember he knew he was attracted to boys, not girls. He asked me if I had ever or would ever suck a cock. I said there is no way I could... unless I committed myself to yoga for at least a year. He said something along the lines of "that is how you know you are not gay and how I know I am." The thought of going down on a woman was as repulsive to him as sucking a c*#k is to (most) heterosexual males.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Here you go again with the judgments and the labels.

Are you insult by my insinuation?

Its a silly argument because you post on the same threads. Its also silly because you claim to dislike judgmental people.

I like gay people. I support gay marriage. I am not threatened by gay behavior. I don't think gay behavior is a result of reincarnation nor end-of-world prophesy. I think most gay bashing is the result of suppressed homo-erotic urges. That is MY belief system.

DMT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:18pm PT

I think most gay bashing is the result of suppressed homo-erotic urges

Again, this is ur judgemental opinion of how I feel? Thanks. But NO!
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Having two parents of two genders is the circumstances under which humans have lived for many generations

BULLSH#T! Countless children have been raised without fathers and/or mothers around and turned out just fine. The vast majority of human history consists of children being raised in the structure of the extended family or tribe, often in polygynic or polyandric marriages. You live in the fantasy world of familialism, sold by the religious conservatives in the west to narrow minded fools. Take an anthropology class... there is a great big world out there you apparently know nothing about.
neversummer

climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
Totally gay... totally natural...

QITNL

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
That's awesome, Sully. Looks like a couple of great kids and a couple of great men. Nice smiles, too. Sorry to bump an OT thread but if nobody's gonna say that, I will.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:44pm PT

You live in the fantasy world of familialism, sold by the religious conservatives in the west to narrow minded fools.

Thanks for ur judgemental opinion! But again lies!

I was raised by one or less parents. I'm preaching from the pulpit of experience!

And I wouldn't call it narrow minded. I'd call it being focused.

To be narrow minded ur view comes from living on just one side of the tracks.

Have you ever even been in our neighborhood?
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
The vast majority of children in human history were NOT raised by "two parents of two genders." And certainly NOT "THE reason that we've lived for so many generations!" You are absurdly misinformed.


I was raised by one or less parents. I'm preaching from the pulpit of experience!

So was I. In fact, I can't think of anyone I grew up with who had "two parents of two genders..." and I grew up in Utah. You are spewing from the pulpit of ignorance. Your experience says absolutely NOTHING about how most children were raised throughout history. Your claim about familialism being the reason for so many generations is absurdly ignorant. The "traditional" Merkin family structure was pushed HARD in the 1950's... leading to the highest divorce rates in the country.

To be narrow minded ur view comes from living on just one side of the tracks.

One side of the tracks... hell, we couldn't even afford tracks.

Have you ever even been in our neighborhood?

I don't know. Where is your neighborhood?
McCfly

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
A large % of those that frequent the Taco are such a sad sad bunch.

Ignorance is bliss I suppose but how do you all live with yourself for real. I like to think as delusional as we all can be at times that we all know when our sh#t stinks. If that is the case you far right leaning guys must have a huge huge ache deep down in your souls stuffed so far down it is lost...

I am sorry for the pain you all live with. Carrying around that kind of baggage is a full time job. I will pray you all that you find a better way and some piece.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Dingus writes: I think most gay bashing is the result of suppressed homo-erotic urges

BLUBLOCKR replies: Again, this is ur judgemental opinion of how I feel? Thanks. But NO!

BLUBLOCKR, are you bashing gays? Bashing the gay lifestyle? If you are? Then my comment applies. If you aren't bashing gays?

Then it doesn't apply to you, now does it????

DMT

drewsky

climber
Seattle
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
Thank you for posting those pictures sully. From some of the opinions voiced here, it's clear there was need for a reminder that gay people ACTUALLY EXIST and can be actual caring human beings. Who would have thunk it?

I share the idea posited by a few others here that fear is the driving force behind all bigotry, homophobia obviously included. It seems to manifest itself in a variety of ways. Those who wear their hatred on their sleeves feel threatened because of their own insecurities. Then there are those who fear deific punishment(or 'Karma', in this thread(?!)) for alleged transgressions (homosexuality, for example); fear compartmentalized. I like Largo's concept of the 'all-or-nothing' thinker; it's a hallmark of that type to always fall back on a rigid foundation that changes for naught but cataclysm.

It's interesting to me that the choice vs. instinct (or what have you) debate is still raging. Though it's widely accepted by those capable of rational thought that biology is part of sexual orientation, the naysayers will simply switch gears from ranting about people 'choosing' to transgress 'nature' to ranting about the unnaturalness of the actual biology. Nothing changes: the thinking remains one-dimensional. Rather than falling to discrete possibilities, sexual orientation exists on a spectrum, which is even harder for the hoopleheads to process.

Eventually it might even be accepted that having free choice in our sexual preferences is natural and healthy, while our orientation will be somewhat set from a very young age. In that mythical world, it would be alright to 'swing both ways' without this obsession over gay or straight, or in other words possess freedom over our sexualities without fear of reprisal. Of course, by that point racism won't exist either and we'll have traded global conflict for the collaborative exploration of space.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:55pm PT

I will pray you all that you find a better way and some piece.

Who is it that you pray to Mcfly?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
BULLSH#T! Countless children have been raised without fathers and/or mothers around and turned out just fine. The vast majority of human history consists of children being raised in the structure of the extended family or tribe, often in polygynic or polyandric marriages. You live in the fantasy world of familialism, sold by the religious conservatives in the west to narrow minded fools. Take an anthropology class... there is a great big world out there you apparently know nothing about.

Dum f*#k with a PhD lacks basic reading comprehension skills.

"Take a class" ... a classic straight from the repertoire of internet losers!
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
Having two parents of two genders is the circumstances under which humans have lived for many generations, so it is arguable that the biological development of a child's brain has evolved to respond better to this environment.

My reading comprehension is just fine, the above is complete bullsh#t.


Kos is right... don't take a class... wallow in your own ignorance and make sh#t up... just like he does. I'm sure some idiot on here will agree with what you way, regardless of the truth.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
pffff, just go to an internet porn site, like any child can, and see for yourself where the human condition is at.

Makes me embarrassed to walk vertical. Trannies, vesties, lesbos and Gays. Straights and those doing things that eat HAY. Men being women- women being men, growing this, chopping that, fists, machines and baseball bats.


It was quite the education seeing one of those. I mean,,, a SAWZALL????

some of it reminded me of Plumbing techniques, using a machine driven snake down the poop tube.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
It was quite the education seeing one of those. I mean,,, a SAWZALL????

He Ron, there was this one time Steve Grossman took a sawzall to my meat. Of course I froze it first so there was no pain, so don't worry. I've got some pictures if you'd like to see them.








Locker edit













It was a 15 pound chunk of meat from a critter that ate hay! Sorry. couldn't resist
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
How about the Bible Ron, which isn't just accessible to children but rammed down their throats from a very early age?

Does requiring a woman to be wed to her rapist for the rest of her life disgust you?
Deuter 22:28
ďIf a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.

How about the infanticide... is that as disgusting as Trannies, vesties, lesbos and Gays?


Hippocrap
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
hhaaha,, yes ive sawed some FROZEN meat myself. However,, i never will set on one of those gear drive electric motored saddle rigs LMAO! Nor do i care to witness such a thing! CRANK HER UP TO EEEEELEVN!


But having seen some of those acts on the internet, since they seem to be real,, i have a biological question.. How does one keep his/her innards intact after some of these things ive witnessed. It would seem as if a hard sneeze would eject bodily parts from the nether region like a weight lifters blowout?


Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
Ron, FWIW, I spend a TON of time in front of a computer... connected to the internet... I even look at porn. I've been looking at internet porn since 1992.

I have never seen the stuff you describe. Just sayin...
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
So was I. In fact, I can't think of anyone I grew up with who had "two parents of two genders..." and I grew up in Utah.

Now there's some scientific data!

So how 'bout a link to your Anthropology textbook, from your "class?"

The one that describes the history of the family structure that you cite with such authority.

No chance you are just making sh#t up, eh?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
But having seen some of those acts on the internet, since they seem to be real,, i have a biological question.. How does one keep his/her innards intact after some of these things ive witnessed. It would seem as if a hard sneeze would eject bodily parts from the nether region like a weight lifters blowout?


Ah... anal-curious are ya? Shall we get you a tutor?

DMT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
Hahaha...Ron's going to be so butthurt by that comment.

Largo and Drewsky have made some very rational observations. Thanks.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
well wes,, ITs THERE! on FREE sites that anyone can enter. By the "butt load" pardon the pun...



Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
I'm sorry you are so confused and/or a fuking idiot Kos. What part of that statement suggests it has anything to do with science or scientific data?


ITs THERE! on FREE sites that anyone can enter

I don't doubt your claims Ron. My point is, some of us DON'T enter... or ANALize it... as much as others.

(ha dingus)
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:28pm PT

Ah... anal-curious are ya? Shall we get you a tutor?

You gonna lend him yours Dingus?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
It was like a car wreck,, you DONT wanna look but you do any how, the usually REGRET it.


edit: Doh! Ahhh that would be a negatory Dingus. My sphincter is fine doing its designed job of moving stuff out.. Not in..

And as Dirt mentioned, i wouldnt want to deprive you of tutorial time.

NTTAWWT...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
Nope.

DMT
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
you DONT wanna look but you do any how

you don't really understand how this internet thing works, do you?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
It was like a car wreck,, you DONT wanna look but you do any how, the usually REGRET it.

I believe you said you PREFER road kill.




And as Dirt mentioned, i wouldnt want to deprive you of tutorial time.

No worries on that front, mate. Trust me.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
Theres little of "modern man" i understand these days Wes. From politicians to perversions..
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
Sorry to interupt this usefull dribble

Because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became FUTILE in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Therefore God
also "gave them up" to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies
among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served
the CREATURE rather than the CREATOR, who is blessed forever. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is
AGAINST nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting.

Apostle Paul said this to the Roman Empire 2000 yrs ago. Describing how God merely
"gives them up" to their own way of thinking.

I can't imagine a more sad picture then seeing God turn His back on one of my bothers.

The Good News is Jesus Welcomes Everyone with Openarms!!
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
and jesus wept!!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
... the 'all-or-nothing' thinker; it's a hallmark of that type to always fall back on a rigid foundation that changes for naught but cataclysm.
--

Learning through crisis. Not a sound strategy. It might be interesting to contrast the relative fossilization of one's beliefs and convictions with their age. I sense that a lot of the rank words on thise site is the fruit of foggy gloom.

JL
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
It's funny in retrospect, each time we post here as though this current thought written in a text box will somehow sway the mob... what constantly gets to me is something that was mentioned a couple pages ago... the straight people who constantly talk about and dwell upon and even hypothesize about the goings on in the gay community, they just care a little too much to not have some pent up aggression, latent feelings or some other jazz bopping around inside of them...

Charles
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 2, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
charles i'm not attracted to you but i have seen largo around malibu..
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
I can't imagine a more sad picture then seeing God turn His back on one of my bothers.

And,

The Good News is Jesus Welcomes Everyone with Openarms!!

Aren't you contradicting yourself there? The holy trinity is one, right? So one third has turned it's back on fags, another third welcomes everyone with open arms? Everyone means everyone, right?

What does the Holy Ghost have to say about this? It obviously is in a position to cast the deciding vote.

Anyway, I don't prescribe to your religious discrimination anyhow. I shouldn't even justify your passive aggressive marginalization with a response.

The only religious organization I have any openness to is the Episcopal church, for accepting Gene Robinson.

Edit; Charles, think what you want, I'm simply voicing my support for a group that is being discriminated upon. No more, no less. It's all about equal rights, IMO.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
boppin my arse,, as a 10 yr old i had some homosexual pedophile try and "snag" me at paradise ponds in sparks one early morning. Only my ninja like reaction and speed born from pure fear did i escape. Had his fekkin junk out and everything. My 6,8" brother in law was at the house when i arrived out of breath, and WE went hunting. Lucky that @&%%XZ@#*&!X POS was gone. I would have shot him dead at 10 if my Bro in law didnt kill him with a punch first --was the plan anyhoo.

So no i dont wanna have sex with any other PENIS around. Thank you ..Some things burn deep.

Next mofo that sticks his wiggy at me thikin to do me will see something hes never seen before,, the OTHER end of said member. That was my pledge then, and remains today..
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
the straight people who constantly talk about and dwell upon and even hypothesize about the goings on in the gay community, they just care a little too much to not have some pent up aggression, latent feelings or some other jazz bopping around inside of them...

I think there are closet doors standing between you and the answer you seek...

DMT
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
What does the Holy Ghost have to say about this? It obviously is in a position to cast the deciding vote.

I've already spoken.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
I can't imagine a more sad picture then seeing God turn His back on one of my bothers.

I can. It is a picture of people living in the 21st century who still think the 2000+ year old passages of desert wanderers are still relevant.

But only some are relevant... not the one's about a man owning a woman because he raped her (there goes the women's vote)... or the one about killing children because the voices told you to... or about eating certain foods...

Just the one's about virgins giving birth, zombies rising from the dead, and homosexuality being wicked.


Lucky that @&%%XZ@#*&!X POS was gone. I would have shot him dead at 10 if my Bro in law didnt kill him with a punch first

Why is that lucky? It would seem far luckier if you had found him and prevented him from doing it to someone else.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
LUCKY as in FOR HIM...Cuz I would have put an end to his days of predation.

Four in the head and one in the azz, is what he would have received.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
It is a picture of people living in the 21st century who still think the 2000+ year old passages of desert wanderers are still relevant.


Because everyone knows that the 2+ minute old passages of internet misfits is so much more relevant.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
Pedophiles are pedophiles. Homosexuals are men attracted to men. Most pedophiles live lives of quiet desperation posing as heterosexuals because their proviclivities would get them killed if found out, as it should. I was tagged at 4 by a pedophile for a solid year. He ended up dying of AIDS, leaving a wife and 2 children behind. Of course I let his wife know in an anyonymous letter I sent while he was gasping his last. If the disease hadn't taken him out, I would have without a second thought. He needed to suffer, to have his family turn his back on him at the last possible moment, as I planned. I play my enemies like a fukin game of chess... Don't equate homosexuality with pedophila, mr. Anderson. The two aren't even in the same ball park.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:41pm PT
everyone knows that the 2+ minute old passages of internet misfits is so much more relevant.

I do not agree entirely, which is to say, I do not exactly disagree.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
He needed to suffer, to have his family turn his back on him at the last possible moment, as I planned. I play my enemies like a fukin game of chess...

Interesting.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Was just referencing why i would never choose to be gay. And that i care not to deal with another penile form in the room when im doing the goody two step..

nowdays, i ever see pedophiles in action youll hear about it on the news..

" Flash,, Pedophile attempts snatch, gets FOUR IN THE HEAD AND ONE IN THE AZZ" film at 11:00...

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
I chose not to be gay because I can't party hard enough and I hate disco.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
High fructose, if he was standing in front of me right now, I'd cut his heart out and peel the scalp from his skull. Mr. Anderson can appreciate that, with his Choctaw heritage and all....
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Ron, as Sandstone Conglomerate pointed out, there is a vast difference between homosexuals and pedophiles.

Like apples and oranges, dude.

Nobody here but you is talking about pedophiles.

Pedophiles are vile, gay folks are just like you and me.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
That was some revenge poetry I just rattled off.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
again just pointing out my pen0phobia and reason there of.. I know the difference between gay folk and sick sub human bastids. Thats why ive not shot any of the gay folk i know,, duh!!!!!!!
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
So as not to pollute Ron's thread about stuffing animals, I will repost here...

Ron Anderson:
I found out that i have just mounted the WRONG BEAR
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
AAAANNNNNdddddd? I gave him a reach around afterwards...
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
If I wanted to taxidermy a pedophile, say on the toilet with his pants down which is how the f*#ker used to get me, how much for that diorama?
yedi

Trad climber
Stanwood,wa
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:01pm PT


"Was just referencing why i would never choose to be gay"

Sounds like this is part the fuss. Don't think you have a choice. A lot of folks just can't seem to get past this.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
Best ill do for you is a reproduction cast. Wont handle such diseased skin..Thats just fer soakin in gas and burnin..

Yedi: going by those ive known, fist hand knowledge, out of those, 4 were straight, then they went gay and then back to straight, two of which are now married to a woman. One will do simply any sex.

So in my limited factual knowledge it seems it is a choice, a mindset- how else could i think on it? One of these gay guys actually changed his voice back to his NORMAL born with version from a very soft high pitched sort of gayness voice. lol..So you tell me, did they choose?


sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
I'm busting your balls dude. I would have liked a scalp though. I'd frame that sh#t. Mr. Anderson isn't a bad guy. Pedophilia will make you crazy though, and the fags are harmless. Like I said, this f*#k died leaving a wife and 2 kids. I should have taken him out, but didn't. Maybe I'm no better....
WBraun

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
226 posts

Proves you're all gay and way homo .....
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
Mr. Braun, living legend replied to my post. Sir, I am honored...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
WAYHOMO Yelled Hidetaka as he grabs the anchors LMAO!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
Every time I start an OT thread, it's because I truly care about the discussion we should have regarding the issue.

Largo has posted some great points, the detractors have been very vociferous in their counter points. Not necessarily concise or effective, but hey, you get an A for effort.

This thread has run it's course. It's time to remove it and let people argue about different things.

Maybe we can talk about climbing? I'm interested in what's new at the Sierra Buttes. I've heard that a lot of new stuff is being done there. Anyone? Bueller?
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
Brandon, don't delete this thread. We're all just humans struggling with the complexities of existence. I hate it when threads are deleted. It's f*#king silly.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Brandon, don't remove it dude.

We all have to live together, everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

Who really cares if two dudes or two chicks get married? They're not f*cking you. They will pay the same taxes as you. They're not going to make straight marriage illegal. Some people aren't comfortable around homo's. Deal with it, they're human too.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
It's time to remove it and let people argue about different things.

Brandon, haven't you figured out by now that it doesn't matter what is
being argued? It's all about the journey, not the destination, Grasshopper.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
You read the dross on this thread and you wonder: What do people really want? To be right? Sure. To feel like things are knowable, and to remove the grey areas with certain, definitive answers? Probably. To defend their own tenuous positions? We all do that.

I think truth is pretty low down on the scale. And I also think dishonesty is rampant here - meaning people posit opinions and beliefs as simple facts without knowing any such thing.

For instance, imagine if someone could verify, without a shadow of a doubt, that being queer was either totally Nature, or totally Nurture. And everyone had to vote without knowing the answer. If you were wrong, you die. If correct, you get a million bones.

How many would vote for nurture? Meaing that sexaul orientation is totally our own conscious choice. For instance, if Fruity wants to go plough Marlow, say, and decides that the Wild Side is what's happening, he can simply decide to do so and never mind what his instinctual impulses tell him. They are not operate here. It's what he decides. Right?

They did this thought experiment with the OJ trail many years ago, with all those folk "certain" OJ was innocent. But when it came time to bet your life on it, the flanker might have been guilty after all . . .

Same here. People just sound off with stuff they don't even believe - at least not willing to bet there life on it. Can't blame them, but why insist that you "know?" Makes a liar out of otherwise decent but quite possibly aging (rapidly) folk.

JL
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
I have no clue to the answer of nature/nuture, but rather I find the question obsolete. Whether I was born loving the mountains or I found a mountain community... it's where I am. The path is secondary to the location. Maybe some would attach shame to the idea of someone choosing to be homosexual, as if there were anything wrong with that.

That's the problem. The idea that it matters which is right.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
They will pay the same taxes as you.

If I were gay and married to a dude, that wouldn't be true.

That was the whole premise of DOMA going to the Supreme Court.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
JL, I would not bet my life on anything without knowing at least a guess about the odds of winning or losing. The idea of voting when someone else knows the truth but won't tell me is sort of stupid. I would vote to kill that guy instead.

Dave
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
And you found your peace Blue. That's fine.

Don't tread on other people's peace. If being a man, in love with another is what makes someone most happy, let them.

If two women want to raise a child, let them. I know one who was raised his who life with two mothers, he's fine, for the most part.

I know another who I was really close friends with who's mom would sleep around with any dude that paid attention to her, but when she decided to go lesbian, she committed to one partner, and they've been together ever since. That child, my friend, isn't damaged by the gay.



They will pay the same taxes as you.

If I were gay and married to a dude, that wouldn't be true.

That was the whole premise of DOMA going to the Supreme Court.


DOMA was ruled unconstitutional.



rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
If I were gay and married to a dude, that wouldn't be true.

Can you elaborate? I assumed that a married gay couple would get the same stupid marriage tax penalty that I get being married to a person of the opposite sex.

Do current civil unions not cause people to have a tax penalty? I think that there is discrimination against straights inf that is true.

Stupid tax laws. Someone always pays less than me.

Dave
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
To the best of my knowledge, the DOMA suit was brought by a woman who had to pay $300k +- in estate taxes when her spouse died. She was legally married in NY State, but since the Federal Government didn't acknowledge her marriage, she was subject to federal estate laws as a single woman.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
that is correct
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
To the best of my knowledge, the DOMA suit was brought by a woman who had to pay $300k +- in estate taxes when her spouse died. She was legally married in NY State, but since the Federal Government didn't acknowledge her marriage, she was subject to federal estate laws as a single woman.


And now she's gonna be back to baller status.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 2, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Nope. The change of legality isn't retroactive. Again, to the best of my knowledge.

I'd be stoked if I were wrong, but I don't think I am.

Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
You get a tax penalty for being married? Can't wait to tell the gf!


bluebawler, sounds like you had some difficult and confusing times in your past. I'm glad you (think) you have found something that makes sense and fills that hole, even if it is the 5000 year old silly jibberish of desert wanderers.

There is plenty of evidence pointing to Jesus being gay.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
Am I the only one here who think this should be a non-issue, in large part, for economic and bigger picture focus reasons.

I fully believe any human should be able to marry human of age 100%, BUT. I think politicians and Americans are giving this(oughta be)"non-issue" way to much attention and money. For f*#ks sake, the US is a massive clusterf*#k with immigration, healthcare, gas prices, jobs, underpaid school teachers, un-treated Vets, out of control prison populations, stupid f*#king tax laws... etc f*#king etc.

This Country is way too broke to be arguing and politicking about mickeymouse sh#t like whom can marry whom. My one cent, right there.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
JL, I would not bet my life on anything without knowing at least a guess about the odds of winning or losing.


That's not the bet. You want a sure outcome, whereas the game is to go entirely based on what you feel is true. Knowing the odds is cheating, and if you have to shoot the betmaker, you're simply not one of strong convictions, but like to play the safe odds. Pretty normal, really.

And it's not about being wrong or right per the nature or nurture question, it's about finding out what is true, if there is such an answer.

My sense of this is, based on being around scands of gay folk in the lit and entertainment field, is that a genuine fruit is born that way. That's what they all say. Or what I've heard in passing, anyhow. A bisexual, often mistrusted by gay people, is commonly viewed as a kind of any-port-in-a-storm fencde sitter. But these are wrinkles I am only slightly knowledgable about. Never studied it.

But it does make me curious just how correct folks are who swear gays simply decide their orientation - saying this is a meaningless question in no wise makes the question go away. That's magical thinking. I don't know a single gay person who has ever said thy choose to be gay, given the rejection and shame. But again, I'm no kind of expert. Just guessing like most everyone else.

JL
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
Sounds like another good reason to get rid of the estate tax.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
Hankster, it WAS a non-issue (as far as I know) UNTIL the bible thumping homophobes started pushing sh#t like DOMA and Prop 8.


You mean death tax Chaz.
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
Pretty entertaining responses. In my not so humble opinion I also believe in equal rights. I guess I poorly worded my text box... anyway, my point was directed at the straight people who discriminate over and over and over, who seem bent on constantly talking about gay people, gay sex, and the like... they seem a little too obsessed with talking about something they purport to despise...

Charles
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
Hank, it sure ought to be a non-issue. But just think back to the last election campaign when the then-frontrunner for her party's nomination said that gay marriage was the most important issue facing the country.

How do you even begin to have a rational conversation with someone like that?

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
when the then-frontrunner for her party's nomination said that gay marriage was the most important issue facing the country.

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Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
I'd hit that ^

I have a thing for crazy bitches.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Largo said
My sense of this is, based on being around scands of gay folk in the lit and entertainment field, is that a genuine fruit is born that way. That's what they all say. Or what I've heard in passing, anyhow. A bisexual, often mistrusted by gay people, is commonly viewed as a kind of any-port-in-a-storm fencde sitter. But these are wrinkles I am only slightly knowledgable about. Never studied it.

I think that viewpoint is a bit antiquated. The LGBT community refers to itself as such because it is embracing all 4. They are saying that gender identity and sexual attraction are varied and acceptable.


I'd hit that ^

I have a thing for crazy bitches.

Probably want to take it easy on the misogyny in the anti-gaysogyny thread.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
I didn't choose to be straight. I just am. D'uh.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
I agree with Dr F. OmFG I agree with the F. Holy shiiiit.
sullly

Trad climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:14pm PT
HighdesertDJ, I concur. I object to the term "fruit." Granted I've lived near SF all my life, where one rarely hears the antiquated slur.

You're dreaming if you think this pack of sausages is ready to tackle misogyny.

Drift for HighdesertDJ: I was on R. Arches on Wed. too. Were you with the party of six? We were first but got passed by the guide and client. Did you rap off?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
Number 1 I didnt choose my sexual interests. They kinda snuck up on me and I just started chasing girls around the playground and being a nuisance. Later on in my teens I got so damn horney all the time I'd screw a hole in the wall.. yeah I tried it..and a whole lot of other things. American pie and all that shizz.. lol

If I'm hungry I'm hungry. I didn't choose to be hungry.

Some things are beyond choice. I see no reason to doubt a person saying their interests are not choice. How much is nature how much is nurture... probably about as much as the hairstyle I happen to prefer. Just guessin.. I know what I like but why I like it seems hardwired mostly with MINOR adjustment based on exposure. If I'm hungry my preference for steak or turkey may be choice or nurture.. but the fact that I'm not interested in Dirt seems hardwired. Apparently I don't have much earthworm DNA.

However as a male Human being I do have over half the set of Female Human DNA. It does not strike me as odd that some percentage humans have the opposite sexes sexual appetites.

Now for the actual important part.

Folks have a right to do whatever the f*#k they want if it ain't hurting no one and it is consensual. Choice no choice.. who gives a damn. GOD? Perhaps but that's his business and I ain't here pretending to speak for the king.. let him speak for himself.

In the USA where it is illegal to impose any religious belief on another person....No one has a right to more privileges than anyone else.

If any law says otherwise that law is wrong.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
I just can't imagine why the notion of self-determined vs. not-self-determined is of any importance whatsoever, to this discussion.

Its entirely irrelevant.

DMT

ps.
climb2ski writes: Folks have a right to do whatever the f*#k they want if it ain't hurting no one and it is consensual. Choice no choice.. who gives a damn.

Ah you were making a point similar to mine and made it more cogently. Cheers

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
^^^^^

Bingo!
Josh Nash

Social climber
riverbank ca
Jul 3, 2013 - 03:43am PT
I'm surprised the polygamists aren't thrilled with this ruling. Muslims and Mormons now have the legal footing to marry as many wives as they want.

Here's my concern with the law. How long until there are lawsuits that force churches who don't condone same sex marriage to marry gay couples? That's going to happen. To me that seems just as wrong as not allowing any legal rights to couples that have spent a life time together.

I'm a Christian in a secular society. I believe that every single one of us has iniquities. Every single one of us has a tough road. It's not my place to judge. The life you lead has consequences no matter what. I just want to be kind, understanding, empathetic. To show the love of God through my life and not my judging, accusing, loud mouth proselytizing. Did Jesus really concern himself with what policies Rome was enacting? On a tangent the only time in the bible that the big j-man got angry was at the money changers. Did he get mad at the prostitute? Did he get mad at the faithful doubters? Did he get mad at the adulterer? Did he even get mad at the one who sold him out for money in hand? No. He got livid at the people turning a profit in the temple.
QITNL

climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 04:30am PT
This might be old news or over your head, but Margaret Cho nails it.



Thanks for making me a better soloist.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Jul 3, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
Sorry if someone was offended by my use of the word, Fruit. The gays I've been around at work have the richest vocabulary for gay stuff and it's hilarious to hear, from Sissy Bars to Nancy Boys and Fruits to (fill in the gaps). Seems to take the curse off the whole thing when humor's attached, but tastes differ.

JL

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 3, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
But I got a chuckle off this one...
if Fruity wants to go plough Marlow, say, and decides that the Wild Side is what's happening, he can simply decide to do so and never mind what his instinctual impulses tell him

Chuckles. ;)

Because my own "instinctual impulses" have always been very strongly heterosexual (boy on girl, yummy), I'm not surprised or apologetic for also having a feeling, or feelings, of distaste even a yuck factor in the opposite; but here's the difference - I'd never think of legislating against it - if I were part of a majority electorate - because I am 21st century informed - not by an antiquated theology - but by my biology education in addition to general life experience - all of which has clearly shown me it's in in our nature (makeup, circuitry and such).

ps, maybe some of you attributing a lot of the hate to "repressed homosexual urges" might be watching too much American Beauty or some such. There's a great deal more to it - the hate, repugnance or distaste - than this, I'd say.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 3, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
I'm surprised the polygamists aren't thrilled with this ruling. Muslims and Mormons now have the legal footing to marry as many wives as they want.


Perhaps you mean FLDS rather than Mormon, Josh. Polygamy has been forbidden to Mormons, by church mandate, since the late 19th century.

Often, careless journalism and hearsay lumps the two...FLDS do not self-identify as Mormons, Mormons do not regard the FLDS as cousin Mormons. In doctrine and practice, the FLDS have wandered substantially from mormon articles of faith.

The discussion isn't about polygamy...so some will deem this nitpicky. But I think characterizing twenty-first century Mormons as "polygamists" or as a people poised to retrogress back to polygamous living is, with your forberarance, WAY wide of the mark...
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 3, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
How long until there are lawsuits that force churches who don't condone same sex marriage to marry gay couples? That's going to happen.

Bullshit! You idiots need to stop acting like you are forced to do ANYTHING in your churches. As far as I can tell, the only thing you are forced to do in your church is not bugger children... and that still doesn't stop you. Hell, your church doesn't even pay taxes despite using income to promote your stupid fairy tales and brainwash people.

(Sully, so sorry to see those "-" in there. Have you considered a tutor?)



Polygamy has been forbidden to Mormons, by church mandate, since the late 19th century.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "profit" of the Moron Chrutch had a "vision" from god (or a salamander or something) that polygamy was no longer part of the chrutch doctrine. Didn't that happen shortly after federal laws were passed to punish polygamists (1870) and shortly before being granted statehood?
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 3, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
++

Can't get better marks than straight A, Sullly.

Are you going to suggest he write his valedictory address early? The last weeks of senior year can be maxed and frenetic...
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jul 3, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
Yeah Sullly...kid's a slacker.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
I'm pretty stoked on the level of support this thread has had.

As a sometimes macho, competitive bunch, many climbers here are showing great compassion for people who don't always fit into their social groups.*

I applaud that.

Have you listened to the song in the OP? I like it.

Maybe I'm just biased toward thinking that Largos a cool guy, but I've really appreciated his words. Chapeau.

*I'm not trying to over generalize people, so don't over think it.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Where did Farouk go?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:16pm PT

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "profit" of the Moron Chrutch had a "vision" from god (or a salamander or something) that polygamy was no longer part of the chrutch doctrine. Didn't that happen shortly after federal laws were passed to punish polygamists (1870) and shortly before being granted statehood?


If you're persuing dates, Wes...the Woodruff Manifesto ending LDS polygamy became authoritative and binding on October 6, 1890. Utah became a state Januuary 4, 1896.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
re: "homophobia"

Okay, here's one to consider...

Say you're a college student, live off campus, already have one housemate and you're in search of a second housemate (say to replace the second that's graduating early and moving out) to share expenses, companionship, party times and down times, all hopefully good times and such. You discuss the matter with your existing housemate and, as part of the whole consideration, you guys decide you'd prefer a third housemate who was heterosexual - not homosexual- and that in fact you'd prefer it strongly enough to include this housemate "requirement" (in addition to others, eg, cleanliness, nonsmoker, etc.) in the written notices you're going to be putting up around campus and in your and your housemate's departments. So does this preference - either in thought or in written form as a housemate requirement - mean you and your current housemate are "homophobic"?

Oh, forgot to mention our hypothetical is in san francisco where it might matter more than in other areas. Actually, on second thought, the tactful way would be to simply not cite this "requirement" at all in the notice. But still the preference exists and so too the question: would this preference for a hetero housemate be "homophobic"?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
The roommate question is tricky.

I probably saw every episode of Three's Company and I could never figure out if Jack was really gay.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
Simple answer Dont say it in print... just weed out the gays who apply if they show up.. I mean everyone has infallible GAYDAR don't they?

While they are at it they can weed out the niggers and spics and chicks.

There is never a need to be explicitly biggotted if one is clever. You did say that these bigots were in college didn't you?

Ask the great RAYGUN how it's done. That southern strategy was BRILLIANT!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Here's my concern with the law. How long until there are lawsuits that force churches who don't condone same sex marriage to marry gay couples? That's going to happen. To me that seems just as wrong as not allowing any legal rights to couples that have spent a life time together.


Only if you think being gay is a sin. Change "gay" for "black." See if any of that makes sense.

But trust me... LBGT don't want people officiating their weddings who don't want them married. No one does.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
I probably saw every episode of Three's Company and I could never figure out if Jack was really gay.

That you even had cause to wonder is a sad indictment on our society.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
Here's my concern with the law. How long until there are lawsuits that force churches who don't condone same sex marriage to marry gay couples?

Not long I hope to be followed shortly with stripping the right to perform anything other than the ceremonial aspect of a wedding. Please know that freight training is headed straight at you.

DMT
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
If you're persuing dates, Wes...the Woodruff Manifesto ending LDS polygamy became authoritative and binding on October 6, 1890.

Right, so shortly after federal legislation punishing polygamy was passed.

Thank god God stepped in with that revelation... or followers would have been faced with a choice... live by the word of the law or live by the word of some snake-oil salesman who sold idiots a huge load of sh#t, uh, I mean holy scriptures... all for the low low price of 10% of your income.

Christ I hate religious bullsh#t.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 3, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
That you even had cause to wonder is a sad indictment on our society.



Mr. Roper never wondered.
Gene

climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
would this preference for a hetero housemate be "homophobic"?
Great question.

Hereís my take. Letís stipulate that you and your current roommate are renting the apartment/house from a third party and that you are in your 20s or 30s. Basically, you are looking for someone to share the place with and share the expenses of occupancy. You get an application from a dude in his 70s. Itís obvious that this guy would not be a compatible roommate. Are you discriminating based on age? Nope.

An otherwise compatible roommate just got divorced and wants his kids to spend every other weekend at the your flat. That obviously ainít gonna work. Are you discriminating?

What if the applicant is a ďfill in the blank?Ē

If you are a landlord and have a vacant unit and refuse to rent to any of the above, youíre might be asking for trouble.

In my uninformed opinion, a different standard applies to denying occupancy to a roommate and to a tenant of a separate living unit.

Depends.

That make sense?

g
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
I thought it was just the landlord who could not discriminate against "fill in the blanks." Pretty sure housemates can choose who lives there with them based on whatever they want, as long as it doesn't violate the rental agreement obviously.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
would this preference for a hetero housemate be "homophobic"?

No. Spraying endlessly about how the thought of homosexuals makes you want to puke, THAT is homophobic.

Let me know if I can help you out further, big boy.

DMT
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:43pm PT

Right, so shortly after federal legislation punishing polygamy was passed.

Thank god God stepped in with that revelation... or followers would have been faced with a choice... live by the word of the law or live by the word of some snake-oil salesman who sold idiots a huge load of sh#t, uh, I mean holy scriptures... all for the low low price of 10% of your income.

The Morrill Act prohibiting polygamy in the territories passed in 1862. Do you consider 1890 as "shortly after" 1862?



I hate religious bullsh#t.


What a suprise, Wes!...and I thought an upshot of this thread might be not consuming oneself with hate
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
all else aside, what do animals, particularly dogs f*#king other dogs of the same sex got to do with it? as if that makes it normal! dogs f*#k their brothers, sisters, mothers and grandmothers and lick their grandfathers balls and ass, so should we also? so what's with these draconian insest laws? i think they've been around a way to long (lke, they're even in the bible, how lame can ya get?)dogs f*#k 4-6 month old puppies, if ya let them. so why can't we f*#k juveniles? dogs run up and hump our legs, so should we hump them also? dogs run up and smell and lick our crotches and asses, so why can't we do likewise with them in public? WTF is it with these bestiality laws? the're in the bible also, they must be wrong. yeah, burn the bible, burn all the law. do as you will. i think i will go lick my neighbors sheep dogs ass. maybe f*#k it. hey, why not? i think i'm in love with it. or maybe its just lust, so whose to say? it must be "normal", dogs don it!!!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
so what's with these draconian insest laws?

Generally its to sustain society's expectation that the children we produce are capable of a high school education, at least. Clearly we as a people are falling somewhat short of that goal.

DMT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
all else aside, what do animals, particularly dogs f*#king other dogs of the same sex got to do with it. dogs f*#k their brothers, sisters, mothers and grandmothers and lick their grandfathers balls and ass, so should we also?

The animal comments were directed at John M, who stated early on in the thread that the things you write of don't happen outside the human race.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Wes,

I believe that any renters including the sub renter boys in this instance have to comply with the anti discrimination laws as the legislation stipulates legal possession of the premises rather than ownership per se.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
@DMT

yeah, but dogs do it (incest/have sex with their siblings and parents, etc). they (public schools) should teach that it's OK for us to do so. i mean, that has been the rational of this discussion, so far, hasn't it(DOGS DO IT, SO WHY CAN'T WE?)!!!

Burn the Bible, it's "evil"...dumb f*#ks!!!!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Nope. The rationale for the argument is the United States Constitution and the guaranteed right to due process and equal treatment under the law. You should read that document sometime. You might learn something. There was no mention of dog sex in the Supreme Court decision.

The dog sex angle comes from homophobes' secret desire to smoke pole.

DMT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
i mean, that has been the rational of this discussion, so far, hasn't it(DOGS DO IT, SO WHY CAN'T WE?)!!!

Sorry, but your reading comprehension is really poor.

That has not been the rationale of this discussion.

Read upthread for the rationale as to why animals have been discussed.

splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
@DMT - i ain't worrying sh#t about dog sex (or my spelling) i was simply addressing some of the folks on here who seme to think that because animals do something it's "normal" people should be allowed to do it also. so, therefore, anything animals do, particularly dogs, should be considered normal...PERIOD! THAT, is the logic behind bringing animals/dogs into the equasion (sp).
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
Nope. You missed it by a mile. Reread thread.

DMT
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
Brandon, you guys are missing my point. at the very beggining of my 1st post, i said "all else aside". i was merely addressing the "dogs do it" aspect of this thread!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Brandon, you guys are missing my point

Maybe if you actually could MAKE a point we might understand it.

DMT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Hey man, John M brought up the incorrect opinion that only humans engage in gay sex. The rest has been refutation of that statement.

Capice?

But maybe you only hear what you want to hear.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
Ha, nice try Jennie.

Just realized... LDS Crotch v. United States was May 1890. The Crotch was disincorporated and money was seized. Shortly after your profit heard voices in his head that said polygamy is no longer part of your "official" doctrine. Such stoopid sh#t.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
DMT - Maybe if you actually MAKE a point, we might understand it.
BobLoblaw - This is a completely ignorant statement. Homosexual sex is pretty comon in nature, particularly among other primate species...
etc, etc.!

my very simple point, what dogs do (someone else, DR. Christ, pointed out how his dogs f*#k each other, etc, along with a couple of other examples from other peeps) should not set the standard for what people do. if it holds any water, then we should be free to do all the absurd things i mentioned up thread, since dogs/animals do it (imo, there are many folks that would argue otherwise in or society).
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
Ok. I get your point. Good thing the Supreme Court decision doesn't tread on dog sex. You good, now?

DMT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
You're not making any sense.

Please, refer to my above comment on why this was being discussed.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
DMT, i was just making a simple point. so yep, i got a handle on it...i'm OK now. lol

btw, give them (SC) a few more years...anything is possible.

and, FWIW, regarding X'ians, God will deal with them/us 1st, before He cracks down on the US, etc! we have become way to much like the world. read about elijah, ahab (king of israel) and particularly jezibel (wicked queen of israel). the jezibel spirit is alive and well. not only in amurica, but in the Church. THAT is what God is pissed-off about. read just one short chapter, one page or so (II Kings 18), it will give you an idea how things will transpire for the Church (the world will end up doing whatever it damn well pleases).

Brandon - i haven't read the whole thread, was just comenting on what a few peeps were claiming as proof positive, or whatever. i thought i made that clear with my declaration of "all else aside"...

"making a point out of context" ... well, that was my point. it shouldn't be brought into the subject/context of the discussion. because there are plenty of people that will argue otherwise, to some extent (that it is natural because its found in nature). if that premise is true, then all else should be considered natural, since it is found in nature. that is what the "biologist" BobLawlaw & Dr. Christ were exclaiming as evidence, blah, blah...! Not sure what transpired in the conversation from around that point. Kinda made me sick to my stomach and didn't go any further. didn't mean to sound as if i was jumping to conclusions (if that is what it seemed like i was doing) just addressing a few folks point of view.

peace.

edit: "read II Kings 18". - oops, i meant 'I Kings 18', sorry about that. very interesting (and very short/1 page) chapter. it's about what is going to go down, sooner or later, here in amurica (regarding the Church).
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
You were making a point out of context and you didn't know it.

It's cool, I forgive you.

Maybe read the thread before you jump in next time?
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:11pm PT
Ha, nice try Jennie.

Just realized... LDS Crotch v. United States was May 1890. The Crotch was disincorporated and money was seized. Shortly profit heard voices in his head that said polygamy is no longer part of your "official" after your doctrine. Such stoopid sh#t.


The church was disincorporated in in 1862 as part of the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act ...and again later in 1887 the Edmunds-Tucker Act. So why not in 1862 or 1887?.

You're saying the intimidator's fist was the only reason for the Woodruff Manifesto...but looking past the sociological perspective. In the 1850's nearly 25% of mormon marriages in Utah were polygamous...by 1890 the proportion had dropped to about 5%.

The majority of women arriving from mission fields declined. Polygamy ceased to be numerically feasible. The church wanted as many male members to marry as possible. Several church authorities had expressed concern of a "shortage of brides".

The future of polygamy in Utah was simply not viable as the turn of the century approached. Mormons wanted a nation of their own but "manifest destiny" and federal possession vetoed that. Why fight another war with the federal menace when the institution of Mormon polygamy was about to expire anyway?
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
The church was disincorporated in in 1862 as part of the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act ...and again later in 1887 the Edmunds-Tucker Act. So why not in 1862 or 1887?.

Because they didn't seize any money?

Either that or your god is a lazy ass who doesn't know sh#t about what is going on down here.

Several church authorities had expressed concern of a "shortage of brides".

Did they try praying for more women?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:27pm PT

This Country is way too broke to be arguing and politicking about mickeymouse sh#t like whom can marry whom. My one cent, right there.

In a country full of actual, real live trivial issues, why does this one break the camel's back for you? Yeah, maybe you're set, you get all due legal benefits with wifey for no fight whatsoever, but that ain't the case for many.

Expanding civil rights is what this country is all about to me, one of it's better impulses and one of the better uses of our money. I mean, unless you have a real droner boner and want to bring water boarding to every corner or something for issues like being poor in public or something, I may have mistaken the kind of guy I think you are (a bro with a heart of gold). The drive to expand our freedoms sets us apart in a world full of bigots stoning women and stuffing chopped off dicks in mouths. In a society concerned with far triter social issues and far bigger wastes of money, why go on fussing at the purse strings on this one?

Not red-blooded American dude enough for ya? I guess it's mickey mouse to you, because, like me, you get all the legal protections of your treasured personal relationship handed to you on a platter you've clearly taken for granted your entire life.

Our country isn't broke either. We have plenty of money. It's just not in the same pool you or I swim in.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
I have to ask because you seem to know a lot about this

Jennie, are you a Mormon?
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
Hi, Norton...

Yes, I'm mormon.

If I ever get my doctrate please please remind me to take the doctoral tam off my head and let rays of sunlight shine into the crack :-)


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
I'll remind them jennie!!!

:-*

DMT
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 3, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
Thanks DMT :-)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
Poignant on this day are some quotes from wise old crusty white guys (who gave us our country and laws);

[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no manís life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few. (John Adams, An Essay on Manís Lust for Power)

No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders. (Samuel Adams to James Warren, 1775)

Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks ó no form of government can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men. So that we do not depend on their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them. (James Madison, Virginia Ratifying Convention)

Smart guys who saw faith and virtue as keys to a moral, civil society that could self-govern.

God bless America, and our wise, old Founders. But you all are so smart now, we should change sh#t up.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
How many had slaves?

heh.

Go America! Let's make it awesome. Home of the free land of the brave.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
How many had slaves?

heh.

Go America! Let's make it awesome. Home of the free land of the brave.


Good point, but read their words. Do you understand THEIR point? About immorality and tyranny?

I understand times change and societies 'evolve'. But should we not have everlasting common-denominators? Basic rules? Laws? Ethics? Morality?

I believe we should, and that's what makes us strong. Weaken that line and you weaken our society. That is 'their' goal. They are persistent.

That is how you destroy a super-power.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Forget the past. Take the collective consciousness of everyone's voice. THAT'S democracy.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
Forget the past. Take the collective consciousness of everyone's voice. THAT'S democracy.

Um, no. If the majority votes for gov't subsidies and foodstamps, we are doomed.

A majority is not an authority. People are stupid, especially now! This is why a democracy cannot work. Our Founders knew that.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 4, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
Anti-democracy homophobes. Got it.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 4, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
This is why a democracy cannot work. Our Founders knew that.

Yes many of them pondered this perplexing problem from the porches of their plantation homes, whilst gazing over their fields tended by their slaves.

"Democracy will lead to all sorts of problems."

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 4, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
We're talking about America's haters. They hate everything that is not them. Their fear is easily manipulated and they start spouting off the rhetoric of the highest bidder they unconsciously sponge up from their corrupted media outlets. Anti-civil rights, anti-environment, anti-education, and, ultimately, anti-American as I see it. Land of the free, that concept truly terrifies them. Love it or move to the compound, Jethro.

Happy Fourth of July!!!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
Happy Birthday America!

You're doing great!

Ignore those who want to limit freedom, most of us still love you!
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
I may have mistaken the kind of guy I think you are (a bro with a heart of gold).

You absolutely did that. You mistook my words and assumed a lot of bad crap about me and how I think, then you went on a long and personal insult, nice buddy..

edit- I absolutely AM with Brandon 100%(the GFYS thing isn't my style anymore), but I'm all for equality.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
GEEZ. Peeps lashing out about slavery on a homo thread? HOW QUEER!

As if the Founders of this great nation started slavery. When it was they who abolished it.
Spearheaded by none other than a Christian. This precedents caused many more nations
to free their slaves. Sad thing is slavery still goes on today in Africa. Blacks owning blacks.

Now let's get back to the op topic of buttplugs, blue ones, and green ones and yellow ones
and purple ones. Oh my!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
immorality


Nobody is arguing in favor of immorality.

Actually, no one ever argues in favor of immorality, except storybook and movie villains.

In the real world, nobody advocates immorality.

It comes down to one's definition of what is immoral.

It's real simple: If it doesn't hurt anyone, it's not immoral.

Gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
Yes many of them pondered this perplexing problem from the porches of their plantation homes, whilst gazing over their fields tended by their slaves.

"Democracy will lead to all sorts of problems."

DMT


Do you really believe that? People will always, ignorantly, vote themselves a raise without realizing the repercussions of that money spent, or taken from.

This is where we're at. We have fallen down.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:15pm PT


Religion does not dictate morality. I mean c'mon...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
It comes down to one's definition of what is immoral.

It's real simple: If it doesn't hurt anyone, it's not immoral.

Gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

Is abortion immoral? Can you redefine everything to suit your "morality".
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:16pm PT

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Can you redefine everything to suit your "morality".

Of course. Morality is a human invention. We can reinvent it and have, a million times over. We will continue to do so, too.

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
You absolutely did that. You mistook my my words and assumed a lot of bad crap about me and how I think, then you went on a long and personal insult, nice buddy..


You read that wrong if you think it was all about insulting you personally. Still, if you think the expansion of civil rights are Mickey Mouse issues as was reflected in the words you wrote, maybe you do need to take a look at your beliefs in a more personal manner. It appears you are on the same side of the issue as I am with your edit, so why also denigrate the issue at the same time? Why trivialize it? That was the upshot of what I said, not an attempt to make you the evil Hank or something, man. I don't think that about you at all.

People sharing their lives in a protected, fully recognized way is not a trivial issue to me, nor should it be to us who are hetero and can get married or divorced at the drop of a hat. That's just a convenient option we have.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
Is abortion immoral? Can you redefine everything to suit your "morality".

Wait, did you compare homosexuality to aborting fetus'? I wonder how the LBGT's feel about that... just like the argument that dictates "now people will marry their dog," we should compare apples to apples. Not logical fallacies comparing consensual human behavior with beastiality.

As per Hank and Jebus... you are both arguing seperate points. Hank is saying that it is a non-issue, and I tend to agree with Jebus - that it isn't the singular issue but the greater issue of social intolerance of homosexual behavior that goes back 10,000 years. Often we see the Law, socially, dictates what the common person deems 'moral.' Watch how many moms and dads smoke weed when it's legal. In the same sense, condoning gay marriage is a step in saying "it's OK to be who you are." Unfortunately we live in a world where, if you are gay, you were VERY likely bullied, disenfranchised from your family, and roundly misunderstood at best.

Is the point of equalization marriage? ABSOLUTELY not. It should not stop there. But it is a start in the world recognizing a group that has been killed, chased out, hated and mistreated for thousands of years. If you don't get that, there is a disconnect in the causality of the collective interpretation of homosexuality.

Or something.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
Do you really believe that? People will always, ignorantly, vote themselves a raise without realizing the repercussions of that money spent, or taken from.

Broad brush. I know you like it so when you get painted with it. So it makes sense you do it to others.

People... they're the worst. And democracy has failed you. And now the leisure class is going to tax your capital gains and live in McMansions out in Blackhawk. In gated gay foodstamp communities, how you like that???

DMT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
Of course. Morality is a human invention. We can reinvent it and have, a million times over. We will continue to do so, too.

DMT


Uh, no. It's based on virtue. Right vs wrong.


Broad brush. I know you like it so when you get painted with it. So it makes sense you do it to others.

People... they're the worst. And democracy has failed you. And now the leisure class is going to tax your capital gains and live in McMansions out in Blackhawk. In gated gay foodstamp communities, how you like that???

DMT


Who's using the broad brush??? Ever hear of the tax-bearing middle-class? Me.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Cheers, GDavis!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Uh, no. It's based on virtue. Right vs wrong.

Totally.

Discrimination is wrong and equal rights for all people is right.

Finally, we agree. Was that so difficult?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:28pm PT

Gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone.

Not only them selves. It is a medical fact that anal sex hurts the colon. But I'm sur science will fix that.

But what about the innocent little children that we are handing over to them under the guise of being "married"? I know if I woke up between two men when I was adopted at 4 yro. I would have said; WHAT THE F*#K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd need more counseling than I already do! Which will come from the tax payers..
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
Not only them selves. It is a medical fact that anal sex hurts the colon.

You know, anal sex isn't unique to the Gay community.

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
It is a medical fact that anal sex hurts the colon.

I'd be willing to bet that more women like getting in the butt than men.
It's pretty common.

Just sayin'.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Is the point of equalization marriage? ABSOLUTELY not. It should not stop there. But it is a start in the world recognizing a group that has been killed, chased out, hated and mistreated for thousands of years. If you don't get that, there is a disconnect in the causality of the collective interpretation of homosexuality.

Funny how I get painted as the homophobe all the time.

I think it's time to get the State out of marriage, just after we reform the IRS. Leave marriage a function of the church. Let civil-unions be done by the city. They ALL get the same rights.

Is that so hard?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
Uh, no. It's based on virtue. Right vs wrong.

Thanks for providing some clarity.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:39pm PT

Discrimination is wrong and equal rights for all people is right.

Discrimination is necessary. Why can't idiots like you liberals see that? So is "profiling".

If you don't discriminate or profile people, you are weak or stupid. Or both!

You have to profile people, or discriminate, on who you'll interact with to stay from danger. It's common f*#king sense!!!!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:45pm PT

Funny how I get painted as the homophobe all the time.

Fitting is the word you were looking for.

Don't like the label, stop spouting the nonsense, fool. It's called personal responsibility. Or are you not responsible for your rants?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
Discrimination is necessary. Why can't idiots like you liberals see that? So is "profiling".

If you don't discriminate or profile people, you are weak or stupid. Or both!

You have to profile people, or discriminate, on who you'll interact with to stay from danger. It's common f*#king sense!!!!

Thanks for providing some clarity.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
the church.

which one is that? I don't go to any of them that don't administer psychedelics.

I wasn't calling you a homophobe, and honestly I don't think you are one. I think pulling the race/homophobe card out is trite.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
I think it's time to get the State out of marriage

I'm sure you do. Thankfully we the people are getting religion out of marriage.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
Broad brush. I know you like it so when you get painted with it. So it makes sense you do it to others.

People... they're the worst. And democracy has failed you. And now the leisure class is going to tax your capital gains and live in McMansions out in Blackhawk. In gated gay foodstamp communities, how you like that???

DMT


Who's using the broad brush??? Ever hear of the tax-bearing middle-class? Me.

Did you know the lane stripes on the Sarcastic Highway were painted with a broad brush too?

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
Discrimination is necessary. Why can't idiots like you liberals see that? So is "profiling".

So you understand why you get profiled here, then. Enjoy!

DMT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
which one is that? I don't go to any of them that don't administer psychedelics.

I wasn't calling you a homophobe, and honestly I don't think you are one. I think pulling the race/homophobe card out is trite.

No church specifically, but faith in general. It's up to you, is the point.

So you understand why you get profiled here, then. Enjoy!

DMT


Yeah. And I have no f*#king problem with it.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
but faith in general.

I don't have any faith, that word is silly :)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
You'll find it, Greg. Don't look for it, it'll find you.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
You can mock me, Greg. It's fine....
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
It's fun*


:)

I love you bud. That's why I tease ya.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
Greg, you know me. I am very serious.

Sometimes I jest, But sometimes I kid not.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
I say take it up with HaShem Adonai Elohim -- G-d. And Good luck on that. He's not changing his mind or his Torah (instruction). He said don't do it.

Those of you behind the gay agenda will bring judgement from G-d to our Nation. Every Nation/Civilization that went this way is no more. Destroyed. In ruin. Poof. Gone.

Sin has consequences. The sin of a Nation can take the Nation down to ruin.

Don't do it.


http://christianity.about.com/od/Bible-Verses/a/Bible-Verses-Homosexuality.htm

Bible Verses About Homosexuality

Genesis 19:1-11
That evening the two angels came to the entrance of the city of Sodom. Lot was sitting there, and when he saw them, he stood up to meet them. Then he welcomed them and bowed with his face to the ground. "My lords," he said, "come to my home to wash your feet, and be my guests for the night. You may then get up early in the morning and be on your way again." "Oh no," they replied. "We'll just spend the night out here in the city square." But Lot insisted, so at last they went home with him. Lot prepared a feast for them, complete with fresh bread made without yeast, and they ate. But before they retired for the night, all the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to Lot, "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!"
So Lot stepped outside to talk to them, shutting the door behind him. "Please, my brothers," he begged, "don't do such a wicked thing. Look, I have two virgin daughters. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do with them as you wish. But please, leave these men alone, for they are my guests and are under my protection."

"Stand back!" they shouted. "This fellow came to town as an outsider, and now he's acting like our judge! We'll treat you far worse than those other men!" And they lunged toward Lot to break down the door. But the two angels reached out, pulled Lot into the house, and bolted the door. Then they blinded all the men, young and old, who were at the door of the house, so they gave up trying to get inside. (NLT)

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)

Judges 19:16-24
That evening an old man came home from his work in the fields. He was from the hill country of Ephraim, but he was living in Gibeah, where the people were from the tribe of Benjamin. When he saw the travelers sitting in the town square, he asked them where they were from and where they were going.

"We have been in Bethlehem in Judah," the man replied. "We are on our way to a remote area in the hill country of Ephraim, which is my home. I traveled to Bethlehem, and now I'm returning home. But no one has taken us in for the night, even though we have everything we need. We have straw and feed for our donkeys and plenty of bread and wine for ourselves."

"You are welcome to stay with me," the old man said. "I will give you anything you might need. But whatever you do, don't spend the night in the square." So he took them home with him and fed the donkeys. After they washed their feet, they ate and drank together. While they were enjoying themselves, a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, "Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him." The old man stepped outside to talk to them. "No, my brothers, don't do such an evil thing. For this man is a guest in my house, and such a thing would be shameful. Here, take my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. I will bring them out to you, and you can abuse them and do whatever you like. But don't do such a shameful thing to this man." (NLT)

1 Kings 14:24
And there were also male cult prostitutes in the land. They did according to all the abominations of the nations that the LORD drove out before the people of Israel. (ESV)

1 Kings 15:12
He put away the male cult prostitutes out of the land and removed all the idols that his fathers had made. (ESV)

2 Kings 23:7
He also tore down the living quarters of the male and female shrine prostitutes that were inside the Temple of the LORD, where the women wove coverings for the Asherah pole. (NLT)

Romans 1:18-32
But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.... Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.

So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (NLT)

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)

1 Timothy 1:8-10
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine ... (ESV)

Jude 7
And don't forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God's judgment. (NIV)
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
Thanks Klimmer for elevating the discussion.





Don't worry, wasn't going to leave that up for long.
:)
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 4, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
Once the "We are gonna have another Sodom and Gamorha" argument creeps up I realize I'm talking to crazy people :)

Willful ignorance just makes me want to tease people... I'm such a bad boy ya know.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
Yeah, we are talking to crazy people.

I'm going to delete my mass of posts now.

Just so you know, Klimmer (I think) photo bombed the thread. I posted simply to move it to the next page and let the conversation continue.

Carry on.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 4, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
Those of you behind the gay agenda will bring judgement from G-d to our Nation.
So Klimmer when did you move to Westburough?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
What's G-d ?

And the wrath you speak of doesn't exist.

Even if it did, it wouldn't be allowed to hold sway in our government.

So basically, you and your orthodox brethren lose.

Love, and the will of the people, wins.

Yay America!

Land of the free and the home of the brave.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 05:48pm PT
Just so you know, Klimmer photo bombed the thread. I posted simply to move it to the next page and let the conversation continue.


I didn't post an image. That over-sized image wasn't from me.




Was Sodom and Gomorrah Wiped Out by a Comet?
by PhD Jeffrey Goodman
http://blogs.christianpost.com/comets-of-god/was-sodom-and-gomorrah-wiped-out-by-a-comet-9091/


The Comets of God, New Scientific Evidence for God
http://www.thecometsofgod.com/


THE COMETS OF GOD- New Scientific Evidence for God: Recent archeological, geological and astronomical discoveries that shine new light on the Bible and its prophecies [Kindle Edition]
PhD Jeffrey Goodman (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/COMETS-GOD-Scientific-Evidence-ebook/dp/B004BSH0WI



Discovering the City of Sodom: The Fascinating, True Account of the Discovery of the Old Testament's Most Infamous City
by Dr. Steven Collins (Author) , Dr. Latayne C. Scott (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Discovering-City-Sodom-Fascinating-Testaments/dp/1451684304/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1372974253&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=discovering+the+city+of+sodom




The destruction of the "cities of the plain" Sodom and Gomorrah, is real. It happened. The evidence is that they have found Sodom. Learn something.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
Sorry Klimmer, I put blame on you and it wasn't you.

My apologies.

I still strongly disagree with you though.

I believe that acceptance of all people is correct.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 4, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
FWIW, the thing about S&G is, that God/Jesus said if He didn't judge Jerusalem (which fell in 70AD) that He would have to forgive S&G, "For there is Someone much greater here." (than what S&G had...simply their consciences). they had no bible, etc! we have had it all, plenty of bibles, churches and testimony...all falling on deaf ears. say what you wuill, but judgement will come. but, first too the Church, which has become much to like the world.

read II Chronicles 7:14! it is the church that He calls on to "repent from your wicked ways and i will heal your land."

i got a very heavy revelation about 8 years ago. i went to this church for about 8-10 weeks, not gonna tell the whole story, but it ended with this, and for good reasons. I was sitting in my bedroom at 7:00 am waiting to go to church. i had decided that it would be my last day there, but said a prayer in regards to His will. what came out wasn't a prayer, but a bible verse that i did not know. to this very day i have to look it up if i want to repeat it (i'm bad at memorizing anything).

it was II Chronicles 7:14. i was pretty baffled, since it was NOT* coming from memory or my desire to say/pray it. i never, recieted bible verses in prayer.

anyway, i went to this church (a very well known/born again believer church) at 8:00am for the first service (i think it started at 8:30). so, pastor, who was extremely good at preaching imo, but something was missing. this very smooth, cool, calm and collected pastor, of about 48 years old at the time, comes out and is looking really shook up, totally out of character. he was actually shaking uncontroliblly. He goes on to say something like this, "You know that I never get heavy with you. That I mainly tell you positive things that will bless and comfort you." my words/paraphrase, but essentially what he said.

he then says, "But, something so horrifying happened to me at exactly 7:00 am this morning when I kneeled down to pray about the sermon this morning. I can't even begin to tell you what happened. I wasn't even going to come too church this morning it was so shocking. But the deacons and elders calmed me down and encouraged me to come. So here I am."

He then quoted "II Chronicles 7:14 and then stated, in a defiant voice, "There, I said it!" and then proceeded to calmly give his prepared sermon.

edite: *forgot "not"!

Dr. Christ - it is way to late for that(imo), and was never meant to be imposed on anyone. it's your free will/choice. politics may change the laws, but they will not change the heart. much (or at least some, not any of the churches i know of) got way off track. so be it. believe what you will...
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 4, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
I wish idiots would stop using ancient fairy tales in an attempt to impose their moral values on others. Nobody is asking you idiots to wed a gay person... simply let those who want to get married do so. WTF is your problem?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
Splitter,

I agree with you totally. The Church has to clean house and turn from its sin. And we must do so. Judgement starts at the House of G-d.

Abraham was able to plead with G-d on Lot's behalf if he could find eventually 10 righteous people in Sodom to save those people in those cities from destruction, and to save Lot and his family. He couldn't but G-d was allowing him to try and was willing to hold back his wrath.

The warning in the New Covenant also tells us that the end won't come until a great falling away occurs, an apostasy. However, it doesn't have to happen on our watch. The World-wide Church of G-d must be faithful and repent. We are the salt of the Earth and we can hold back G-d's judgement. It's about saving more souls from being lost.



2 Chronicles 7:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


http://biblehub.com/2_thessalonians/2-3.htm
2 Thess. 2:3 (KJV)
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Sweet. You are letting a book written thousands of years ago, rife with declarations that we (the majority of humans) now deem ridiculous, govern your life and value system.

Slavery, taking a wife through rape, etc...

Good luck with seeming credible by quoting the bible.

You're going to need it.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 4, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
Silly Brandon... God didn't mean all that about owning slaves, gaining a wife through rape and/or $$, or whoreshipping idols... just the part about homosexuals and the end of time... you know, the positive stuff Jesus REALLY focused on.

Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Brandon,


Judaic Jewish Context. Knowledge. Wisdom. HaShem's inspiration.


You have to know what the Torah, The Tenach (Old Testament) is all about. It was all about turning around a wicked and rebellious people and making them into the chosen children of G-d. It was/is about teaching what sin is. It is the school master, the task master.

Then you have to know that G-d promised a New Covenant (New Testament) that would replace the Old Covenant (Old Testament) and one that would bring forgiveness and life. Same Torah, laws, and instruction but a new forgiveness and spiritual life would be possible through the final and last sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins for eternity, through the blood of Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus the Messiah that was shed for you and me. It would do away with the curse (immediate punishment and death) of the Old Covenant (Old Testament).

HaShem Adonai Elohim was now to live in the hearts of man, The New Temple of G-d, and not within the Golden Ark of the Temple in Jerusalem. That was a foreshadow of better things to come.

It doesn't do away with Torah or the Tenach, it explains it. It completes it.


Sit down with a Messianic Rabbi and have it explained. Then you won't make ignorant statements or arguments regarding the Old vs the New.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 4, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
i would have walked away from the bible and anything it claimed years ago. i didn't even open the bible the first ten years after i got saved. i didn't even go to church other than a RCC (roman catholic church) off and on (way more off than on) and learned little, if anything because the masses were all in Latin. my parents sure didn't force me to go, they rarely did. i went because i had a very real personal relationship with Christ. PERIOD. HE is who "governs my life and value system". It is He who has shown me that HIS holy word is true. He IS the Word, and the Word. Read John 1:1-14. It starts with, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." and ends with, "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

i would just as soon say nothing. even after all God has shown me. probably much more than any human being, let alone Christian. i have a very cynical attitude, nature. i went over ten years of saying absolutely nothing in the 70's. the people i new on the eastside, back then, will testify to that. many Christian drift, are like prodogal sons of sort. but i would be remiss if i didn't say something here. whatever...
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 4, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
You have to know what the Torah, The Tenach (Old Testament) is all about.

No, I promise, you don't. It is a collection of self-contradicting fairy tales from thousands of years ago that promote infanticide in the name of schizophrenia, rape in the name of matrimony, and slavery. It is even less relevant than Dianetics.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 07:10pm PT
Splitter,

I know what that is like ... I was "the Prodigal Son" for many years. I came back to G-d about 9 years ago. It seems it's a common experience, and it's probably why Yeshua taught us that very important and loving parable. We can come back home and receive forgiveness and the Father's love. He knew this would happen to many.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
So Lot told the Sodomites they could do anything they wanted with his two virgin daughters if they left his friends alone?

And blueblocker has redefined butthurt and the horror of an adopted child being raised by two commited, loving same-sex parents?

And splitter, and splitter........never mind.

I think I'm gonna go marry my dog now.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
Klimmer,

Perhaps I'm ignorant about your religion. I was raised Roman Catholic and confirmed. I was so involved in the church that I was an altar boy, and no, I wasn't raped, improbable as it seems.

What is your religion?

All I see is hipocricy, archaic texts being used to further whatever cause the church deems appropriate, and the demonizing of gay people.

You seem to be stuck in the past, but then again, you arrived to this discussion pretty late. Go talk about magic and miracles elsewhere, most of us are smart enough to ignore you. I'm dumb enough to react to your fairy tale words.

Tell you what, I'm going to jerk off my dog tonight, will I go to hell when I die or be smote immediately? I've got to know, because I want to wear my suit if I'm going to die immediately.

If I've got time, I'll wear casual clothes.

Do you see the level of seriousness with which I regard you, joker?

Probably not.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 4, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
Probably not, because you believe there is an ancient ark on the moon, you laughable, gullible dipsh#t.

You just lost your chance at a window seat, mutha fukka!!!

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Jebus, I removed that because it wasn't a nice thing to say before you even posted it.

I'm better than that.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 4, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
FACT: TOO LATE!!! WINDOW SEAT LOST!!!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 4, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
Dammit!!!

Where are we going anyway?

Oh yeah, the frigging moon! Nice!

Thanks Klimmer!!!

We'll be sharing a berth, apparently. I hope you don't mind if I kill kittens every night. It puts me to sleep.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 4, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
Jesus knows all your sins B. He has the power to forgive them... but will do so only after you get on your knees and beg... and only after he runs out of tornadoes and terrorists.

Did I mention, the only reason you sin at all is because someone you have never met ate some fruit "from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." Basically, Adam was instructed NOT to inform himself on matters of good and evil... to judge his own nakedness. Judge not... splinters in eyes... casting the first stone... and all that. You know, the principles "good" Christians adamantly adhere to when introducing legislation like DOMA and PropH8. "Trust us, we are from the church, we know the truth and word of God, who are you to judge right from wrong."

Utter bullsh#t.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jul 4, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
FOX news just had a show that proved that Jesus was gay and Jesus used to take it up the a*#.

No lie.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Norton,

Are you trying to put me into the young Universe, young Earth category? Because clearly I'm not. Universe approx. equals 14.7 - 14.8 B years. Our Sun, Sol equals approx. 5.0 B years. Earth approx. equals 4.56 B years.

What would you say about Aristotle? Copernicus? Tycho Brahe? Johannes Kepler? Galileo? Newton? How about Einstein?

All Men of science and men of faith (of varying degrees).



Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 4, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 4, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
Save the rectums!!
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:18pm PT

Hi Norton...you probably know this, but I wanted to interject that most state board of educations in the U.S. mandate course fundamentals and dispense written delineation of requisite material...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
Jennie, you should be a politician...
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
Thanks, Jim but I doubt I could get elected as a PTA secretary...
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
Norton you are clueless and you don't know what you're talking about. Einstein was not an atheist.

Read PhD Gerald Schroeder, The Science of God. The Book of Nature and the Book of G-d are in agreement.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
Einstein was not an atheist.

Albert Einstein: God is a Product of Human Weakness
The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.

Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954

I
t was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

 Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman

During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man's own image who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate influence, the phenomenal world.

 Albert Einstein, quoted in: 2000 Years of Disbelief, James Haught


It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

 Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930

clueless? appears to be YOU, Klimmer
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 4, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
This whole conversation is moot. It's all very simple.

When you have a world governed by religious sycophants, who consistently speak about love, tolerance, and respect, but display none of those qualities, what you get is....

Drun roll please...

Intolerant, bigoted, hateful ignorant morons.

I despise the term "gay marriage". How about this, two people who love one another wish to be wed, and share in the exact same rights "normal" people enjoy...

Let us not forget that the "niggers" were not even consider "human" in this country until the mid 20th century.

That speaks volumes. Hmmm, I wonder who was behind that one...

Edited:

Acknowledging ones existence, but yet denying their basic fundemental rights is pure hypocrisy despite how you dress it up.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:18am PT
Marriage has always been and always will be a mutually beneficial, financial transaction.

Love has had nothing to do with it until historically recent times and only in societies rich enough to imagine life beyond struggling to provide food, shelter and security.

The big "duh" moment comes to the thick eventually.

And as stated above, just because same sex marriage is legislated into the law books, it doesn't equal a personal civic obligation...
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:22am PT
Ignoring the truth does not make it go away.

rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:24am PT
Love has had nothing to do with it until historically recent times and only in societies rich enough to imagine life beyond struggling to providing food, shelter and security.

Wow...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:26am PT
Love doesn't pay the bills...
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:27am PT

it wouldnt be polite"

So would that be a moral?

Or just the moral of the story?

I had to write something.. Nortons antibible bill is gett'in old

Norton, what does Einstein have to do with a homosexual thread anyway?

Was einstein gay?
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:30am PT
Wow...

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:48am PT

That speaks volumes. Hmmm, I wonder who was behind that one...

Hmmm, please inlighten us!

I don't think you know to much about religion, and who's governing who.

You should know who ur enemy is before you start lobb'in handgrenades.

War is futile if you don't know who ur enemy is..
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:56am PT
^^^ now that was way homo. Thank You



Edit: SORRY; was that the wrong word to use? I meant "queer". ( Without any hateful ramifications. )
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:06am PT
Hmmm, please inlighten us!

If you need to be "inlighten", spelled enlightened, then you are truly too stupid to understand the explanation.

Be a good boy and read your book of fairy tales some more...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:11am PT
Homophobes: Go suck a dick!
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:14am PT
^^^ HaHa!! Good One. I know i'm s-t-u-p-e-d.


(but, im not ur enemied)
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:16am PT
Love doesn't pay the bills...

but making love can, if you do it right.
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:20am PT
There are some tomes of knowledge that are deeply guarded. The government does not want you to know where they are kept, much less what they contain.

The are called books.

Try reading them, instead of eating or burning them.

philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:22am PT
enemied???

Please translate I don't speak drunkbonics.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:29am PT
^^^HeHe! I've made some money mak'inn love.

But I had'ta quit. The bills were more than I could earn

Still use my body to make a living though..
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:44am PT
SSS=Sorry So Slow

what do you mean by queer blue???

Jus the websters definition.
meaning my skirt was jus breezed.
Not blown up like Marilyn Munroes.
Or, "jus out of the ordinary"
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:52am PT

eh blue?.....

are u pointing in a direction today

or R u projecting into the past
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 02:11am PT
spiritual traditions? U mean goD? Tradition=keeping what's held?

Yes! goD is Neverchanging. But, Jesus is Everaccepting!
drewsky

climber
Seattle
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:55am PT
In the homophobic group in this forum:

-Religious zealots, who despite apparently having lived in caves for decades with only the Old Testament for reading material have the ability to use Personal Computers.

-Social conservatives (see 'religious zealots')

-'Adults' whose spelling and grammar remain at kindergarten level or below (see 'religious zealots' and 'social conservatives')
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Good thing that we all embrace tolerance;

http://patdollard.com/2013/07/watch-christians-brutally-beaten-at-gay-pride-festival-and-the-msm-turns-a-blind-eye/
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Love that website, Pat Dollard. Uninentional comedy.

The title is best - "AND SO IT BEGINS!" As if some wave of christian bloodshed is about to hit the streets.

That was hardly Brutal.


Took about 3 clicks to find a page that had anti-gun control content and the words "benghazi" and "Obamacare." Great source for newz!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 12:42pm PT


Look, its the police state!

And so it begins! (Dramatic music)
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Norton, Norton, Norton ...


We have argued this until the cows come home.

You can't say Einstein was an Atheist. I can't say Einstein was a true believer either. What we can say is that he was definitely agnostic like so many people are.

I said men of science and men of faith to varying degrees ...

Einstein would often refer to G-d. Look at all the public quotes where he admits this. Privately he would admit he doesn't believe in a personal G-d.

However, through his research and his discoveries he admitted publicly that he found an amazing order that does suggest a creator.



Did Albert Einstein Believe in a Personal God?
by Rich Deem
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html



I suppose that Einstein thought that there wasn't a personal G-d, (whatever that really means ... perhaps a G-d that lives within us), but that the physical evidence and the laws of nature pointed to the fact that there is a creator and that he cares about order at a fantastic mathematical level. Perhaps Einstein was a Deist rather than a Theist.

He was enthralled with Yeshua! You have to admit that. And well we believers know Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus the Messiah) and The Father (Hashem, Adonai, Aba, YHVH (Yod-Hey-Vod-Hey)) are one.

Yes, it's a mystery. The triune nature of G-d is a very deep mystery.




Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Good thing that we all embrace tolerance;

Yep.

Credit: Skeptimistic
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Love that website, Pat Dollard. Uninentional comedy.

The title is best - "AND SO IT BEGINS!" As if some wave of christian bloodshed is about to hit the streets.

That was hardly Brutal.


Took about 3 clicks to find a page that had anti-gun control content and the words "benghazi" and "Obamacare." Great source for newz!


You think you're really clever, don't ya?

It's not a 'newz' site, it's called a "blog". Opinion.

And yeah, let's downplay fags beating Christians, but heaven-forbid a Neo-Nazi beat a gay!!!!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 5, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
gawd damm lady gaga recently butchered our Natl Anthem - replacing home of the brave with home for the gays.. Please Euthanize lady gaga..

Wonder how our gay military men feel about that?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 5, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
That EXACLTY my gawdamm piont norton.. BRAVE men are fighting over seas right now,, doesnt MATTER if they are gay or straight to me. They are ALL BRAVE and they are from THE HOME OF THE BRAVE and of that isnt good enough for lady gawdamm gaga then she should be f*cked with a barbed wire baseball bat.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
Ron likes to speak for our military, as a brave soldier himself.

Maybe, just maybe... it isn't a big f*#king deal she changed some words at a gay pride rally. Maybe that isn't something to get worked up about :)

Yesterday at a party we had American Flag napkins. I was in the bathroom and there was no TP, and I had my plate of food with me... so I wiped my ass with an already dirty flag towlette. I wonder how our American Military feel about our flag being made into napkins?

There are no sacred pillars, just divisive issues. Real patriotism isn't a flag, it isn't a symbol, it isn't archaic fundamentals. It's striving to make your country the greatest in the world, which takes empathy and compassion, NOT dogma.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:02pm PT



Tell that to them...And then sing that lady gawgaw crap ...Can you do it?

I CANT.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
Nice one, can you show me some aborted fetus parts when we talk about women's rights next? All I see are coffins from brave men who had been lied to, all under the guise of "protecting our freedom." Bodies that never had to be there but because of our need to control the world they exist. But sure, use it to explain why you got mad at lady gaga. That makes sense.

What pisses me off is when people use images like that to push their own agenda. THAT'S the disrespectful thing.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
" Brave men who had been lied too"... Where DO YOU GET THAT SHYT?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
Keep draping yourself in the flag warhawk, safe and tucked away at home.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
the above pic, that ron posted, is of the 19 fallen firefighters that recently lost their lives.

edit: i guess it was deleted.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
Greg, wiping your ass with a Star-spangled napkin is very different than publicly, and intentionally butchering the National Anthem. Would you not agree with that? Is that not sacred?

The National Anthem is something you don't sh#t on for political reasons or political statements. It is what it is, leave it alone!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Hey at least she didn't draw a cartoon of Muhammad. What would the U.S. equivalent be, drawing Ted Nugent?

You do realize that the tune was based off an old British drinking song, long predating Francis Scott Key...
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Is [the National Anthem] not sacred?

sacred: 1. Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity. 2. Worthy of religious veneration.

NO, the National Anthem is NOT sacred you moran.



And Rong, do I understand you correctly... that our government lies to us about climate change, gun control, health care, etc but DOESN'T lie to soldiers about why exactly they are sent off to kill civilians that MIGHT be ASSOCIATED with terrorists?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:00pm PT
Hey at least she didn't draw a cartoon of Muhammad. What would the U.S. equivalent be, drawing Ted Nugent?

Oh, the irony. There would be OUTRAGE if the piece of sh#t Muhammad was even spoke of in a bad way.

But twist the National Anthem for politics, that's cool.

And yeah, it IS sacred.

sacred: 1. Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity. 2. Worthy of religious veneration.

NO, the National Anthem is NOT sacred you moran.


What is sacred to you personally?
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
Really blurring dumb fuk extraordinaire? You worship the National Anthem? You consider it a religious song? You are a stupid mother fuker.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
Well,, NATIVE AMERICANS think of SACRED terms. And the ones i know ALSO consider the flag SACRED. The Choctaw thought so when they were the FIRST code talkers in WW1 .. Now MANY of you pizzle swinging rejects will yammer on of how "WE" treated the Native Americans badly and BLAH BLAH BLAH.

But it would SEEM they had gotten over it LONG AGO. My Indian friends that served in Nam fly that flag too.

So yeah ITS SACRED that song and that flag. It is what we are and how we got to be that.


It SICKENS me that some WONT seperate POLITICS with being an American.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
It's not even a good song. Well, maybe when Hendrix does it.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Really blurring dumb fuk extraordinaire? You worship the National Anthem? You consider it a religious song? You are a stupid mother fuker.


I worship God, but I do think the Anthem is also sacred.

What do you consider to be sacred? Please answer that before you continue to slander.

It's not even a good song. Well, maybe when Hendrix does it.


Or Metallica?

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=National+Anthem+Metallica&mid=2DD1A3099FE9244DAFF72DD1A3099FE9244DAFF7&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
"Sacred" I think IS an appropriate description of the anthem, for many people.

Nationalism and religion are part of the fabric of the same coat. Dissing one's country is akin to dissing their family, or their religion. Peel it back? Its all the same thing.

The 10 Commandments of the American Religion.
1. America stands for freedomme, justice and the American Way, (by God)
2. Americans are The Good Guys. America's enemies are the Bad Guys. (by God)
3. America saved the world, TWICE, out of the goodness of her hearts. (by God)
4. America is the greatest nation that ever was. (by God)
5. America stands for democracy and freedomme, the world over (by God)
6. America was founded on the principles of the christian religion (by God)
7. America only fights just wars to protect the weak and the down trodden (by God)
8. Capitalism is a American and there for good and holy. Communism is not American and there for evil and unholy. (by God)
9. America never committed genocide. (by God)
10. The American Flag is like any other holy relic. You dis the flag, you dis the country, you dis the country you are dissing god. (by God)

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:27pm PT
yet WHOM does every damm country in NEED call on during times of disasters??
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
Dingus, which of your 'commandments' do you disagree with specifically?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
^^^ See what I mean?

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
My disagreement isn't at issue here. I don't equate nationalism to religion. I did when I was younger, without realizing it. For me its not a religion. I'm pretty sure that for you, it is.

Which of those do YOU disagree with?

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
what DO YOU believe in dingus,, NOTHING?
drewsky

climber
Seattle
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Well, the first half of the thread had at least a few good points and almost bordered on a discussion. The second half is dominated by the reptilian-brained rhetoric of the bigots. If only there was a way to cleave the thread in twain, then the 'conjoined twin' thread (more like a benign yet ugly tumor) could continue wherein Ron and Bluering talk about how America is, in fact, their favorite country...by themselves.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Hmmmm

1. I think the notion of Original Intent is ludicrous. America can, has, does and will continue to - redefine itself, its government, its morality, its culture and its policital will and identity. Original intent is stupid beyond all reckoning.

2. America is neither good nor bad.

3. There are no just wars. Behind the scenes, greedy ruthless people are using nationalism and patriotism for personal gain, EVERY TIME.

4. If America detains and tortures people America is committing a great evil in the world. No just nation does this as a matter of State policy.

5. There is NO PLACE for religion anywhere in our government. I don't include manger scenes or crosses up on hills as a particularly important component of that - I'm ok with them but know it opens the door to other religions insisting on displays too.

6. Capitalism is not a form of government, its not holy nor is it inherently good. Communism isn't inherently bad. In boith economic systems, ruthless sonsabitches manipulate things to their advantage at a cost to the greater population.

7. The flag is not a holy relic.

8. I will not swear to god under any circumstances, ever.

9. The freedom of the individual is the measuring stick by which freedom itself is measured.

10. if you are FOR a war, you go FIGHT THE WAR, personally.

11. Corporations aren't people and aren't individuals and should be prohibited from any poloitical contribution any kind. Unions too. Only individuals should be permitted to donate to political causes, no PACs either.

DMT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
^^^ Drewsky, S.O.P. for the life cycle of threads like these.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
By threads like these you mean the ones with antagonistic troll thread titles?

DMT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
Yes DMT. And I concur with your 11 point post above.




'ceptin' i gotsa no iffn i kin ketch thet homasexural diseaz by bellyain a prancer?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
My disagreement isn't at issue here. I don't equate nationalism to religion. I did when I was younger, without realizing it. For me its not a religion. I'm pretty sure that for you, it is.

Which of those do YOU disagree with?

DMT


I disagree with none of them. And neither would the "old crusty white guys' who founded this country.

They specifically attributed the goodwill and virtue of men to religion and faith.

You don't have to though, but don't deny their thoughts.

Lisa summed it up well here, in the words of our Founders;
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/07/03/self-evident-truth

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Original intent is stupid beyond all reckoning.


DMT
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:08pm PT
They were wise, those crusty old white guys...

[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no manís life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few. (John Adams, An Essay on Manís Lust for Power)

No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders. (Samuel Adams to James Warren, 1775)

Is there no virtue among us? If there be not, we are in a wretched situation. No theoretical checks ó no form of government can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea. If there be sufficient virtue and intelligence in the community, it will be exercised in the selection of these men. So that we do not depend on their virtue, or put confidence in our rulers, but in the people who are to choose them. (James Madison, Virginia Ratifying Convention)

Wise beyond their time. Where did that timeless wisdom come from, where was it learned? The Bible.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
you ignorant fukwad
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
you ignorant fukwad


Nice reply, from someone who refuses to answer a simple question. What do you hold sacred?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
My dick when I pee?


Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
You are ignorant fuktard blurring. What I hold sacred is between me and me... and no Greg, it is not your c*#k when you go pee.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
It's Greg :((((

edit
huh.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
hahaha... I went to school with a Gary Davis... and it weren't him.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
Dude can JAM!


bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:35pm PT
You are ignorant fuktard blurring. What I hold sacred is between me and me...

I can smell commies 2 miles away.
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
and I can smell your pussy from here
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jul 5, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
Wes, is there prospect that earning your doctrate might exalt posts infused with more substance and less insolence?

There's a glut of disrespect on ST, and has been for a long time. But your foul insults and lubricious name calling are way excessive.

Some institutions are wary of what their employees post online. Aren't you alert to the possibility of your department chair reading some of this hateful stuff and reflecting as to its potential effect on the university's prestige?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
It's a thread on Gay Marriage. Don't take it too seriously.

If you stayed out of these threads, you would never see that content.

It's not like you would change your opinion regardless of information presented here, so just avoid the conversation. Jennie, myself, Wes, Bluering... we are pretty entrenched in our beliefs on this topic because of our 'ideology' (or lack thereof). Best to stay to the many other amazing climbing threads if you're looking for a Kumbaya moment.

Love ya!
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 5, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
is there prospect that earning your doctrate might exalt posts infused with more substance and less insolence?

Nope.

But your foul insults and lubricious name calling are way excessive.

As is the ignorance that provokes it.

Aren't you alert to the possibility of your department chair reading some of this hateful stuff and reflecting as to its potential effect on the university's prestige?

I don't have a department chair.
jiff

Ice climber
colorado
Jul 5, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
It is even less relevant than Dianetics.


ok, I chuckled from that line.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 5, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
Friday evening on the east coast, will all the sh#t slingers be here fighting tonight?

moacman

Trad climber
Montuckyian Via Canada Eh!
Jul 5, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
It's just a simple plot. They made gay marriages legal so that they could be miserable too..........

Stevo
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jul 5, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
Riley Wyna - Just imagine if they could feel the heart of a gay person.
more importantly, if only everyone could feel the heart of Christ. He loves them. straight, gay, good and bad. He did show me His heart, and how much He loves the lost. i just told you, it is a love of such magnitude, it would be impossible for a human to bare. compound a mothers love for her lost child over a billion times. it is that kind of love. a deeply grieving love. all this bitterness & hate, on both sides, it's all wrong. it's about love. any born again Christian knows about His love. He hates no one. He does hate sin. we are all sinners. i sin every damn day. His heart burns with love. i don't have the words to tell you about what He showed me. how much He loves and yearns for the lost to know Him. once again, all i could say, call out from the depths of my heart was, "I HURT!" ...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
Do you dislike gays because they were born that way and you had to be 'born again' to find happiness?

I was raised Roman Catholic,I was an altar boy. If I were ever to be 'born again', it would be as a Mennonite.
treez

Trad climber
99827
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
I hate straight marriage with a bottomless passion today.

I've been f*#king myself with little ill effect since I was 10.

Is there a point to this thread?
rlf

Trad climber
Josh, CA
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:33pm PT
Is there a point to this thread?

Of course there is. It's to create a division of simple minds.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
There is no point to this thread other than to create conversation.

It's kind of jumped the shark at this point, though.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 6, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
Thanks again Splitter! Ur posts that I have caught in the last week have been wrought with sincerity and love. And I have felt them, deep. Your in my prayers.

What I can't understand is why we're getting called the "haters" jus because we do not think homosexualality is natural or moral. Or handing children over to them is morally right. All that
we have done is voice our humble opinion that this is not for the good of all. And at the same time have offered an alternative path. By "we" I mean the few Christians on this taco stand.
When in fact when we voice our opinion against these "acts" we are the ones being bombarded with hateful prejudice and hateful slang language. Homophobe? What is that really?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Nice reach around.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 6, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
What I can't understand is why we're getting called the "haters" jus because we do not think homosexualality is natural or moral. Or handing children over to them is morally right.

It's pretty simple. You bringing up the old "handing children over to gays is morally wrong" thing is a perfect example of why people accuse you of homophobia. Do you seriously believe that gay men or women are more likely to abuse your children than straight men or women? Do you think its morally wrong to "hand over" female children to straight male adults? Male children to straight female adults?

Why not just own up to the fact that your religious beliefs require you to either hate gays, or treat them as second class humans, and be done with it? Why keep frantically looking for something that will make you sound like this is anything other than blind religious dogma?

When you try to justify your anti-gay position by supporting it with arguments that just don't stand up, you come off sounding like the people who tried to justify their racial prejudices with pseudo-science in the last century.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 6, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
Natural straight children NEED natural straight parents!
1 man, 1 woman. Society has proven that when one of these components is missing, that child goes haywire somewhere down the line.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 6, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
Obfustication!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 6, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
I think Andrew Dice Clay has the best slant on gay marriage...RJ
treez

Trad climber
99827
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:28am PT
If only I was gay, I would have my wife's sympathy.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:42am PT
If gay marriage were legal i'd propose to Cosmic..RJ
Dr. Christ

Mountain climber
State of Mine
Jul 7, 2013 - 12:58am PT
more importantly, if only everyone could feel the heart of Christ.

It is a well know fact that the blood of zombies is circulated via the skeletal muscles. http://www.fvza.org/zscience2.html

If what you claim is true and Christ is in fact a zombie, surely his heart has atrophied after 2000+ years.




Natural straight children NEED natural straight parents!

Stupidest thing I have ever heard. What an idiot.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jul 7, 2013 - 01:04am PT
Well then..Is it safe to hate gay zombie marriage and do gay zombie children need straight zombie parents ?
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jul 7, 2013 - 01:07am PT

If what you claim is true and Christ is in fact a zombie, surely his heart has atrophied after 2000+ years.

Yea that's worth say'in. I'll bet ur parents are very proud of u
WBraun

climber
Jul 7, 2013 - 01:09am PT
Christ is in fact a zombie, surely his heart has atrophied after 2000+ years.

It's the opposite.

Just look at yourself you stupid hater.

You have no heart nor soul.

You're just plain stupid too .....
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 7, 2013 - 01:13am PT
1 man, 1 woman. Society has proven that when one of these components is missing, that child goes haywire somewhere down the line

Yup, Proven fact for sure -- and you are no doubt ready to cite all that "proof", right? And, of course, it goes without saying in your fantasy world that whenever a child does have 1 man and 1 woman as parents, that child never has problems "somewhere down the line."

Why not just stick to "God hates fags"? That's what you really believe, right? And hey, it's something no one can prove wrong!