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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 22, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
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Around Cathedral Peak
Rescue?
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 22, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
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They are doing the search for the missing plane from late last year.
They will be again tomorrow ....
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
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Thanks Werner
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 22, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
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Missing plane....? Any weed on board...?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Jun 22, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
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road trip!
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Stimbo
Trad climber
Crowley Lake
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Jun 22, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
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Let's go Hauter!
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jun 23, 2013 - 12:35am PT
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Hey Werner, thanks for the update. I'm really glad to hear they are on this again, I was just wondering about it last week. If you could keep us updated I would really appreciate it.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 23, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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Stimby...Watch me....! I got tet knee...!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 23, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
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And what budget does this come out of? Funny that the gov would cut back on ATC
functions,that protect the living, only to spend untold thousands on looking for the long-deceased.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 23, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
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Yeah. Having respect for dead people while finding closure for their families is unamerican. That money could have been used to build a fence or bomb a wedding or something useful.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 23, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
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You mean "something usefull" like health care for the living instead of looking for rich dead peoples' bodies? I'm sure all those uninsured people waiting 8 hours to be triaged at the county hospital can really relate to flying around in their own airplane.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Jun 23, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
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It is very difficult to electronically detect aluminum pieces on the
ground at a distance of more than a few inches.
Ask any guy walking the beach with a metal locator or a TSA wand person at
the airport.
Airborn systems like the JSTARS that look down at the ground can detect
thickly armored vehicles but have difficulty seeing an undamaged
stationary thin skin civilian vehicle made of typical lite weight
automotive steel body panels.
Aluminum wreckage from a small plane laying on the ground is another
order of magnitude harder to get a signal return from.
The best military terrain mapping radar can get 50 feet resolution but cannot tell the difference between boulders and an engine.
If the engine was 50 feet high and sitting out in the open on flat
land it would just be seen by the mapping radar as a bump.
Shredded small plane wreckage on the side of a mountain can be in small
pieces and laying between boulders, essentially in perfect stealth mode
configuration so look down radar systems designed to actually find
crashed aluminum planes just cannot 'see' it.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Jun 24, 2013 - 04:45am PT
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I've been doing a lot of wreck chasing over the last couple years, mostly old military sites. I can say from experience that in many cases, sometimes you won't see a wreck unless you are standing right on top of it. As someone said up thread, even satellite images (short of military sats) can be very inadequate foe locating a crash.
While I can understand some people's feelings about the cost of a search, I know that if it was a loved one of mine I would really appreciate being able to recover their body and bury them.
There's always the option of volunteering to do a search - that way then taxpayer wouldn't be footing the bill?
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Jun 24, 2013 - 05:13am PT
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what about Woody Guthrie?
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Jun 24, 2013 - 08:47am PT
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Reilly, those people waiting to get triage won't be turned away (they may to wait).
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nutjob
Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
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Jun 24, 2013 - 05:23pm PT
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Sat 6/22/13, around Rainbow Pool area of Tuolumne River (west of the park on Hwy 120), saw 4 emergency vehicles high speed and sirens toward the park (Ambulance, 2 police cars, fire dept Paramedic). I was wondering if there was a bad accident in the park, or an accident somewhere behind me.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jun 24, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
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Reilly said You mean "something usefull" like health care for the living instead of looking for rich dead peoples' bodies? I'm sure all those uninsured people waiting 8 hours to be triaged at the county hospital can really relate to flying around in their own airplane.
While it's a nice thought, the reality is that not a dime of that money would have gone to pay for healthcare if they hadn't looked for those people. The only thing stopping us from spending more money on healthcare for the poor is that we decide to not spend more money on healthcare for the poor.
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