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Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jun 22, 2013 - 10:32am PT
The hydrology stats for this flood are absolutely unreal.
More rain fell in Canmore in 36 hours than the average for 6 months
The Bow is flowing at three times the rate of the flood in 2007 and some estimates have The Bow up over 25 feet.

I'm thinking if this would have been a month sooner and combined with a heavy snow melt we would have been looking at a Noah type flood.

As it is this looks a lot like Katrina as well as the Sandy flooding.

I think people are in serious shock and really we have no idea is the damage yet .


This is all predicted in the global warming models.
Increased intensity or local weather phenomena.100 year floods become 6 Year floods and 100 year floods become apocalyptic.
It's happening everywhere.
The stuff of science fiction cause we can't predict the next one.
Let the summer weather games continue.



Wonder it I will get hit by a hurricane this year.


We should start a weather prediction pool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Alberta_floods

Everyone in with 5 bucks and the closest guess to next major event wins.

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:06am PT
Was this one AGW too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1862

it was estimated that approximately one-quarter of the taxable real estate in the state of California was destroyed in the flood. Dependent on property taxes, the State of California went bankrupt. The governor, state legislature, and state employees were not paid for a year and a half.[

There's geological evidence in the drainage's of coastal streams that this has been happening at about 200 year intervals for a very long time.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:11am PT
Riley, what worries me is an event like this happening in northern Alberta, and overflowing the tar sands tailings ponds. All that toxic crap would be everywhere and into arctic drainages.
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:28am PT
I wonder how the trout will be affected by all this?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
Boy, all those Murrican turoids goin' up to Banff are gonna be pissed off!
How could yous guys let this happen?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Riley, what worries me is an event like this happening in northern Alberta, and overflowing the tar sands tailings ponds. All that toxic crap would be everywhere and into arctic drainages.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/canada/Sour+leak+southern+Alberta+called+potentially+life+threatening/8554736/story.html
Credit: McHale's Navy
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
^ Fortunately that was a relatively small leak. According to this - http://desmog.ca/2013/06/11/fort-mcmurray-home-176-square-km-tar-sands-tailings-ponds-overwhelmed-floods - the tar sands, so far, have 176 sq km of tailings ponds. A lot of area to protect, and severe consequences if this toxic crap gets out.

http://desmog.ca/2013/06/13/fort-mcmurray-flooding-emphasizes-tar-sands-threat-mackenzie-river-basin

Mackenzie Basin drainages
Mackenzie Basin drainages
Credit: desmog.ca
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
http://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/Blog/if-the-alberta-government-didnt-inform-you-ab/blog/45597/

Pretty much what happens all over the world. There was a big news blackout when the Gulf Sperm Whales died. They did not run away like we have been taught to think. Sorry, I don't mean to hijack this thread!
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
TFPU, McHale's Navy! I didn't know about this. Of course its not in the Albetra government's interest to make the public aware...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/apache-pipeline-leaks-60000-barrels-of-salty-water-in-northwest-alberta/article12494371/

Toxic waste spill in northern Alberta biggest of recent disasters in North America

The substance is the inky black colour of oil, and the treetops are brown. Across a broad expanse of northern Alberta muskeg, the landscape is dead. It has been poisoned by a huge spill of 9.5 million litres of toxic waste from an oil and gas operation in northern Alberta, the third major leak in a region whose residents are now questioning whether enough is being done to maintain aging energy infrastructure.

The spill was first spotted on June 1. But not until Wednesday did Houston-based Apache Corp. release estimates of its size, which exceeds all of the major recent spills in North America. I.....

...The leak follows a pair of other major spills in the region, including 800,000 litres of an oil-water mixture from Pace Oil and Gas Ltd., and nearly 3.5 million litres of oil from a pipeline run by Plains Midstream Canada.

After those accidents, the Dene Tha had asked the Energy Resources Conservation Board, Alberta’s energy regulator, to require installation of pressure and volume monitors, as well as emergency shutoff devices, on aging oil and gas infrastructure. The Apache spill has renewed calls for change.

“We don’t believe that the government is doing enough to ensure upgrades and maintenance of the lines,” Mr. Ahnassay said.

The Apache spill took place in an area rich with wetlands. Though the Dene Tha suspect waterfowl have died, the company said it has seen no wildlife impacts. The spill has not reached the Zama River, although the Alberta government said it has affected tributaries. Water monitoring is ongoing.

Neither Apache nor Alberta initially disclosed the spill, which was only made public after someone reported it to a TV station late last week. The National Energy Board, by comparison, sent out a news release Tuesday after a spill of five to seven barrels of oil at an Imperial Oil Ltd. refinery in Sarnia, Ont....
BMcC

Trad climber
Livermore
Jun 22, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Amazing and sad to see the flooding and related damage, and its effects will impact so many people for longer than the duration of the high water!

apogee - thanks for starting this thread. I had read some about the flooding in Calgary and was guessing that Canmore was probably getting slammed, too.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jun 22, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
Heh TGT - do us all a favor and give us one thread where we don't have to respond to some right wing drivel?


Kulan - I had heard of that spill but it hasn't Been big news. Unfortunately massive sell offs of land, weaker regulations and trillions of dollars into area are going to only make it worse - the area is going to be obliterated.
The media, government and corporation are hard to distinguish anymore - because Canada's incredibly right wing Prime minister and global warming denier is from this district -this is played down - but this is exactly the kind of thing that takes these guys out .... So the fact that Alberta is the center of new world oil is part if this ...

I'm going to ask my dad about the tailings pond at syncrude. I grew up in The Mac and my dad spent a large part of his career as supervisor of that exact tailings pond.
I've planted trees on the thing when I was a kid.

Watch the recent David Suzuki special on the area if anyone is really interested.
What is going on up there and what will go on is remarkable.
Those cokers and those tailing ponds basically give off and contain every element on the periodic table .

Thinking about this a little more - if large flood incident were to breach one of the big tailings ponds it would be catastrophic . We would have toxic waste from The Mac all the way to the Arctic Ocean . It would make a nuke melt down look like a firecracker .
Nothing like weather to make humans realize how small they are.
What we do to this world ...F*#king idiots ...
And back to Fox news
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