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apogee

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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 20, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
Have you seen what's going on up there today?

Credit: apogee
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/pictures-and-videos-of-flooding-in-canmore-alberta-1.1334613


I keep seeing FB posts from a buddy of mine in Alberta...Wrath o' God kinda stuff!

Hope everyone is ok up there...
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
same as it ever was



okay, maybe it's worse
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
Seriously?



Edit:

Naheed Nenshi: (A government official, of some sort)
The City has declared a State of Local Emergency.

To address the safety and security of citizens in low-lying areas, mandatory evacuation orders have been issue for six communities along the Elbow River.

The communities of Mission, Elbow Park, Stanley Park, Roxboro, Rideau and Discovery Ridge are being evacuated immediately.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
Holy sh#t, that river has some flipping velocity! Best wishes and prayers for your safety and property, more then a little scary.
saa

climber
not much of a
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
Same has been happening here in Europe for a month.
I don t even know about other parts of the world cause
I ve been fighting waters that rose 3 feet in 40 minutes in my home. Hail up to 1 inch diameter, storms daily andlightning throughout the night.

Then another thread about this on the taco:
Weather sceptic etc.
Jstod

Trad climber
North Vancouver
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
I've been in Canmore this week for work - meant to leave today but the highways are all washed out and shut. The whole thing is pretty surreal. We went up to look at Cougar Creek last night near midnight and it was raging, but still well within its banks. By 6am this morning back-yards were washed out and homes were being evacuated. Some pretty serious destruction since then.

Over 100mm's of rain have fallen in the past 24hrs and it's still raining pretty hard right now.
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Silver lining, taking the boat via the creek probably makes the commute to Calgary faster.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
I can't seem to find any status of downtown and the state of the Bow river.... anybody?

another 70mm tonight is forecast.

Good luck to all Canmorons. The kootenays is getting clobbered too. Heads up at Johnsons landing!
Jstod

Trad climber
North Vancouver
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
Sister barely made it out this morning and is now stranded in Banff.
She had to drive through a mud slide with two other vehicles as the water was rising.
On the east side in Sundre my dad is moving boxes out of the basement as he lives next to the Red Deer River.
Many towns, Bragg creek for one, are entirely under water,
Absolutely epic 100 year flood.
The houses along Cougar Creek, where my sis lived for years, are washiing away - I think the big house built by the developer right at the mouth of Cougar Creek is gone now as well as a few more.
My niece told me they are homeless as the area they live in right now in downtown Canmore is under water.
Canmore is obliterated.

It's definitely very bad. No houses have actually been washed away yet, though the basements/foundations of many houses closer to the creek have been undercut and eroded severely so still a possibility that entire houses will be lost. Balconies, backyard and household contents from basements have been flowing downriver most of the day.

I spent most of the day downtown and while some basements are flooding, it seemed much better there. Power is on roads aren't really that flooded. I'm currently sitting about 300m from the creek and power has come back in this neighbourhood. Rain has stopped for the time being but is expected to return.

High River and Brag Creek were hit even worse i believe...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
High River is almost completely washed out. the Army has sent multiple helicopters and ground forces to help. There has been 150 roof top rescues by helicopter so far.
KyleO

Gym climber
Calgary, AB
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
Make one wonder about the Dam above Grassi Lakes. If that were to blow there would be alot more water coming down into Canmore. If I remember correctly the entire Spray Lakes reservoir is man made and is probably getting very full!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Dang.. thats akin to the 100 yr event we had in 97.. LUCK to those affected!
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
positive vibes for your sis Radical.
Jstod

Trad climber
North Vancouver
Jun 20, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
I'm told Paliser has been evacuated but it may just be that the basement is flooded.

I'm staying with a voli fireman who was called out to help at 1am last night and didn't get back till 5pm this eve. he's just grabbing some shut-eye but will be up soon for another shift. I'll ask him as soon as he's awake and post-up.

The good news for your sister is that i believe the eastbound traffic will open between banff and canmore well before westbound, so hopefully she's not stuck in banff for too long…

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 20, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
more pics:
http://storify.com/weathernetwork/alberta-floods-what-social-media-is-saying


High River:
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 20, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
So thats why they call it High River
Jstod

Trad climber
North Vancouver
Jun 20, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
Hey Riley - sounds like residents are allowed to return to Paliser now (according to the town of Canmore facebook page):

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Town-of-Canmore/229502923034?fref=ts

hopefully that's good news for your sister.

JS
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 20, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Wow! Hwy 1 sure is in bad shape:

kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 12:16am PT
Riley, this CBC update is good for info, with the Twitter links:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2013/06/20/live-alberta-flooding.html

I hope your Dad and sister, and their property are all okay!



apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2013 - 01:38am PT
"Pretty ridiculous that the developer built that house literally in the river ."

...or that people would buy it after it was built.

Hope your family comes out as safe & sound as possible, Riley.
pvalchev

Social climber
Mountain View, CA / Calgary, AB
Jun 21, 2013 - 01:50am PT
I've spent a ton of time in that area and there is tons of good cragging around Cougar Canyon - I've walked by these houses dozens of times. I've never seen Cougar Creek more than ankle deep, but always noted the width of that river bed there... clearly, sh#t hits the fan there sometimes, and this is an event of epic proportions. Fingers crossed for everyone who is affected for the best possible outcome.

Thankfully my family's house in Calgary is on a hill & safe of floods, but I have a few friends near the Bow & Elbow rivers that are evacuated, with damage certain... how much damage is the only question.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 21, 2013 - 02:13am PT
there is tons of good cragging around Cougar Canyon -


And if it wasn't a bit polished then, it sure as hell is now!
Fletcher

Trad climber
The great state of advaita
Jun 21, 2013 - 02:15am PT
Yikes! That is some jaw dropping flooding. Blown away. Hope everyone is ok. Houses and property can be replaced, people can't.

Eric
nah000

climber
canuckistan
Jun 21, 2013 - 02:59am PT
it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out as all of the water makes its way to calgary tonight [and if the rain continues, over the next couple of days...]

this was some of the preparation being done in mission [an inner city neighbourhood along the elbow river] today:



many more neighborhoods have already been evacuated than were during the last large flood in 2005. while the one positive is that the glenmore reservoir appears not to have been as consistently high during the last few days as it was prior to the 05 flooding, authorities are already warning that the glenmore dam will likely overflow just as it did in 05.

assuming that happens for only the second time, it's going to be a very big mess for a lot of neighborhoods along the elbow...
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 03:09am PT
From 2007;

http://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/whistler/mountain-news-canmore-planning-climate-change-centre/Content?oid=2159229
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 21, 2013 - 10:34am PT

Bragg Creek house washes away
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Jun 21, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
Parts of Calgary are flooding now. Downtown has been evacuated as the Bow has flooded. 100,000 people have been evacuated from their homes (all areas near the Bow and Elbow Rivers)
This has happened incredibly fast and is raining hard again. The rivers MAY be at their high point but we will see.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 21, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
watching that house blow apart under the bridge makes me a little ill.. PRAYERS TO all ya all up there!
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jun 21, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
Best thoughts are with you guys.......
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Jun 21, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
This is crazy. Best wishes to all that are there, Riley I hope ur family comes out ok. Jstod too, good luck guys.
Seamstress

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Jun 21, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Between the climbing community and my office branch is Calgary, plenty of reasons to cross my fingers and toes for you. Just heard the the employees in Calgary are OK - and invited them to come to PDX for refuge.
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Jun 21, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
Luckily I live on high ground. Most of the city is 30+ meters above the river valleys but many low areas are toast right now.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
My heart goes out to the residents -- and people who know residents, like Riley -- there. Pretty powerful imagery.

John
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
It is disgusting how little press this has received. There was a pic in the LA Times today but I've seen nothing on the so-called Weather Channel
or CNN.
ecflau

Gym climber
CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Riley - can you go North through Jasper, Rocky Mountain House, then HWY 2?

Sad pictures... supposed to go there next week. Guess climbing is out.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Calgary reminds me of the pictures of New Orleans! Whats the latest story on downtown Canmore?
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
ecflau, ^ apparently the Icefields Parkway between Lake Louise and Saskatchewan River Crossing is closed right now.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
No doubt Reilly. I was hoping to see what was going on at lunch and there was nothing, but lots of talk about tropical depressions in Mexico. WTF

BTW we have been getting some crazy weather around here today on a much smaller scale, but there was 4.5 inch diameter hail. That is a big chunk of ice falling out of the sky.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
http://www.eldoradocountyweather.com/satellite/ssec/wide-view-us-pacific-asia-sat.html
ecflau

Gym climber
CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Damn that sucks. I'm hearing the worst of it will be tonight or tomorrow morning. Some of the damns may have release some water to take the pressure off or something?
ecflau

Gym climber
CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
Cool thanks Reiley.

Dumb question, but would climbing there in 10 days be sketchy? I hear its a bit chossy there... never climbed in the Canadian Rockies, just Yosemite granite...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jun 21, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
Pics of Calgary, lifted from Google Images. TV is irrelevant unless you are only interested in local news.

Credit: Google

Credit: Google

Credit: Google

Credit: Google

Credit: Google

Credit: Google
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 21, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
Hey ecflau - a lot will likely change in a weeks time. This is a very rare event and the Canmore area typically has a climate that is conducive to climbing rock. The current climactic pattern is atypically poor but in all likelyhood the worst is over. Its a bit of a crap shoot but if I was you, I'd go for it.

The place is a rubble heap compared to yosemite but this little thing will hardly make a difference by the time you get there.
ecflau

Gym climber
CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Thanks Bruce and all... hope you are all safe. I grew up there and spent the majority of my life there, really shocking to see those pictures right now.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 21, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
I hear its a bit chossy there... never climbed in the Canadian Rockies, just Yosemite granite...
The locals have a saying ...
Anybody can climb granite; it takes a man to climb limestone
but this is a bit of an exaggeration.
Some of the local rock is truly choss; some is quite good ... by local standards
You should ask around; there are some climbs that are very solid.
Most locals are friendly & won't give you a bum steer.
Most of the routes on Yamnuska are solid because it gets climbed enough that the loose stuff gets kicked off.


I always thought those overhead walkways were because of the -40 winters; but now I see they also serve to keep your feet dry.
nah000

climber
canuckistan
Jun 21, 2013 - 10:37pm PT
nenshi [calgary mayor extraordinnaire] just mentioned on the ctv news that city officials are preparing for two outcomes regarding the bow river.

the first and most likely being that the bow river flow, while essentially at its max, will not reduce for quite a few hours.

the second being that there might be upstream "events" [he specifically mentioned the minnewanka dam near banff] that cause another surge in flow rates. in the latest media scrum he's called the likelihood of this happening as "not unlikely". nice and vague as i'm sure it has to be.

hmmm...

nenshi quoted 1700 m3/s as being the current rough bow river flow rate. for reference the 2005 flood had peak bow river flow rates of about 800 m3/s [these numbers are at calgary prior to the confluence with the elbow].

having been here in 2005, as well, and being under the belief that that was essentially a 1 in 100 or so year event, both the numbers and the pictures this go round are quite mind boggling.
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Jun 21, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
I was told the Bow used to flood 100 years ago before dams and control.
Cougar Creek is amazing. It is usually a little stream but where it exits the canyon near the houses it goes onto a 300 meter wide floodplain with lots of big boulders. If it flooded only once every 500 years most of this area should have grown back with trees. The geological evidence is that it floods regularly in a big way. The house at the head of the canyon (the big one being eroded away in one of the films) supposedly belongs to the developer who built the subdivision on the floodplain. Maybe there is justice in the world.
When will city authorities stop issuing building permits on floodplains? Makes you think of the North Carolina vacation homes built on barrier islands. Ask any geologist what barrier islands do over time. They are constantly being eroded and deposited elsewhere. It is lunacy to build homes on them
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jun 21, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
hey there say, riley, and all those that have loved one there... wow, sorry to be late, to wish well and pray for you all, but i just learned of this, (your post, riley, at facebook) ...

i did see the title here, but thought it was a climbing issue that i could easily just pray and hope about, but that no lives were affected by it...


man oh man, as i wrong, :O
it is much more...

*dial up, folks, i do not get to check ALL the titles like
i used to... :(


my sincere prayers for you all... especially tonight, :O

god bless, in the midst of this terrible flooding and keep lives
safe, :O
whewwww... :O
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jun 21, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
Credit: Malemute
Ghost dam was built in 1929
Bearspaw dam was built in 1954
moacman

Trad climber
Montuckyian Via Canada Eh!
Jun 21, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
There was an earthen type dam in Cougar Canyon used as flood control but it blew out in the late 80's. You should have seen the mess that made. People still continue to build in these areas anyway......

Stevo
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jun 21, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
nah000,

This never would have happened if Ralph Klein was still alive...
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 21, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
View of the flood this morning from a Calgary police helicopter. It's an hour long, so covers lots of area.

Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:01am PT
^^^Holy crap....I hope your folks are OK kunlun_shan, further west if I remember and hopefully on higher ground.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Hey Charlie, they are quite alright in the Shuswap. It has been raining, but not like in Alberta.
mike m

Trad climber
black hills
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:05am PT
That looks devastating. Looks like a beautiful city, I hope things settle down up there.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:45am PT
As said up thread, Holy Crap!

That is an amazing show of force by mother nature.

My thoughts go out to people affected and hope the casualties are few.

Rip

Trad climber
Norman, OK
Jun 22, 2013 - 01:29am PT
I've been in Canmore since the flood started and traveled around today assessing the damage. According to the authorities, the river has crested in Banff and will crest in Canmore tonight. Central Canmore has some minor flooding (basements and low lying areas) but for the most part will escape major damage. Things are actually looking better tonight, as the worst is over here. The Cougar Creek flood, however, has caused the most damage with multiple exposed house foundations, and then heavily damaged Highway 1 below. Fortunately, no houses along Cougar Creek actually fell into the flood waters, but many look to be beyond saving.

Highway 1 is closed from Canmore to Calgary due to several damaged bridges, and closed from Canmore to Banff due to damage at the Carrot Creek bridge. But the most damage appears to be at the place where Cougar Creek intersects highway 1, both the West and Eastbound lanes. That means, at least for the time-being, no one can leave Canmore in either direction. But the authorities are allowing food trucks to enter the area.

The Canmore town web site is a great place to get updates.
nah000

climber
canuckistan
Jun 22, 2013 - 02:14am PT
AP: i was once told that the some of the major early flooding [ the three largest events on record were in 1879, 1897 and 1902 ] along with being prior to the building of the downstream dams, were at least in part coincident with major forest fires in the foothills that wiped out much of the soils ability to as successfully absorb moisture. i've been trying to find something authoritative that makes and backs up this claim, but so far no luck. so who knows it could be just a nice myth.

what i did find in looking, that i found interesting was this quote from "The River Returns: An Environmental History of the Bow":

"High monthly rainfall was not in itself sufficient to cause a flood. What seemed to matter most was the degree of saturation of the ground by previous storms and the concentration of subsequent rainfall in a short period. Monthly rains totalling more than 9 inches in 1899, 1927, and 1954, for example, did not result in floods. The years of notable floods - 1915, 1929, and 1932 - recorded only 4 inches of rain or less in a month. It was the distribution of that rain that made all the difference."

the above would seem to pretty much sum up this event in 2013... it's not just about how much rain but about how much, how fast and how soon after a previous rain that had already created ground saturation in the mountains, and foot hills...


Jim Brennan: i may be dense, haha, but i don't think i follow... if you're making a joke about klein's vs nenshi's competence in handling a complex set of fluid events like this one i wouldn't disagree even though i wasn't around for klein's tenure. nenshi and his administration's handling so far has been nothing short of exemplary from my perspective. he and his team keep the public informed with quality and transparent info, and the whole bureaucratic structure handled the evacuations having very little notice themselves, and still remained incredibly effective and efficient. so far, so impressive...

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jun 22, 2013 - 02:25am PT
I was truly joking. It always gives me a laugh when puny humans think they can do... anything in the face of what the planet dishes out. So far there are no reports of people dying due to the floods and this is good news.
nah000

climber
canuckistan
Jun 22, 2013 - 02:41am PT
JB: aahh, i was reading into it way too hard - haha. i couldn't agree more with what you were really saying ... like the mountains, these large scale natural events are a reminder of how small we ultimately are ... individually and even collectively.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2013 - 02:51am PT
"It is disgusting how little press this has received. "

Yeah, WTF is that about?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 22, 2013 - 08:40am PT
At the risk of being pegged a Global Warming Alarmist, there may be a link here....

Stalled high pressure system -- a ‘firehose of moisture’ -- caused floods in Calgary


EDMONTON - A massive high pressure system held in place by a loop in the jet stream is what’s behind both the Calgary floods and balmy temperatures in the Yukon.

“It doesn’t let systems through,” said Chris Scott, chief meteorologist at the Weather Network. He watched as what would otherwise be just a simple spring storm got stuck west of Calgary.

The weather system came over the mountains from the Pacific. As it spun and stalled over the foothills, it pulled in moisture from Saskatchewan, the United States and the Gulf of Mexico. Starting Wednesday around suppertime, it poured for 15 to 18 hours straight across most of southwest Alberta.

“It was like this firehose of moisture,” Scott said. “(The weather system) just kept slamming this moisture into the mountains.”

One spot at the Three Sisters Dam in Kananaskis got 220 millimetres of water in 36 hours, which is “nearly half of the total annual precipitation for that area.”

Many areas got as much rain in 18 hours as they normally get in two months. Locations from Waterton Lakes National Park north were measuring near 100 mm, and some got as high as 120 or 150 mm. Bow Valley, west of Calgary on Highway 1, got 165 mm.



Read more: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/technology/Firehose+moisture+caused+floods+Calgary/8561123/story.html#ixzz2Wwlqi4EL



The "Jet stream loop " mentioned is a recent phenomena that has been observed world wide and appears to be responsible for "persistent" weather patterns, such as the European wet and cold spring or the SW drought. I'm sure the link of this pattern to AGW is still not conclusively understood but AGW is well understood to be the dominant forcing mechanism influencing the current climate change.

If it is linked - as is a reasonable suspicion by anyones guess - it is not a good trend.

That was an upslope like few others. You don't want that sort of thing to happen often.


I just heard about 3 confirmed fatalities. Things were looking super lucky for a while there but I guess its a good thing its only 3 so far. Really sad to hear


Any news about the folks at Johnsons Landing down at Kootenay lake? There was a similar persistent wet period that set them up last year and I understand there is still plenty more potential.
wbw

Trad climber
'cross the great divide
Jun 22, 2013 - 09:42am PT
Such a sad situation; such a special part of the world. Positive vibes to all folks affected by this tragedy.

Just out of curiosity: I've been dealing with the topic of flood insurance and the soon-to-be-changing flood maps for the city of Boulder. The so-called 100 year flood plain will be greatly expanded along some drainages that seem to be pretty obscure (and absolutely dry except in rare heavy downpours). Bruce, this may be tangentially related to your comments about climate change.

Anyway, how much does the government up there in Alberta, and mortgage companies impose flood insurance on homes located in flood plains in Canada? I purchased flood insurance last week on my house in Boulder for the first time in 16 years, so that I can get grandfathered in at a more affordable rate once the maps change. Good thing is that the city of Boulder has given residents a heads up so that one can be proactive. Bad thing is that the mortgage companies force one to buy flood insurance that has become much more expensive since the devastating Mississippi River floods of several years ago.

Again, best hopes and thoughts to all of you in Alberta.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 22, 2013 - 10:08am PT
Drudge has it up

Looks like there have been some fatalities.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2013/06/21/alberta-flooding-calgary-canmore-high-water.html
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 22, 2013 - 10:22am PT
wbw - I'm covered for flood with no rider - standard policy. If I want earthquake coverage I gotta pay a bit more, which I'm thinking about at least.....

I live right next door to a 15 foot high dyke at the confluence of two big rivers. We had a 100 year flood just a few years ago that came within a couple of feet of breaching.
WTF

climber
Jun 22, 2013 - 10:56am PT
Yeah, WTF is that about?

Well since you asked I suspect its about the fact that unlike here in Amerika the Canadians don't need to spray their flood problems all over the TV and radio. They know there is a flood they know there is very little they can do to stop it and they are just waiting for the rain to stop.

The rivers will go down they will clean up and they will carry on. Unlike here when this type of event occurs we panic we go on TV we cry we obsess about losing property and our stuff. In Canada it's just stfu and deal.

Riley hope your family is ok and to all my Canadian friends best wishes.

Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:04am PT
Speaking of Canadians, I'll bet there's no looting and rioting after the floods either.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jun 22, 2013 - 11:16am PT
No Jan. All Canadian teams are out of the playoffs ages ago so there is really nothing to riot about.


This is cool. This guys said these words a couple of weeks ago:

John Pomeroy, the Canada research chair in Water Resources and Climate Change at the University of Saskatchewan, has studied rainfall records on the Prairies for the past century and found a marked increase in the number of multi-day rain events during the summer that can overwhelm streams and rivers.

“Those big frontal systems are increasing in their intensity and frequency,” said Pomeroy, “and we’re fast learning that our roads, our bridges and even some of our towns aren’t any match for the rainfall and the overflow that results.”



Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta/Alberta+urged+prepare+increasingly+severe+weather+insurance+losses+mount/8446756/story.html#ixzz2WxTLxeZV


He also deliberately lives up on a hill side.... above the flood plain
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
RC drone's eye view:

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 22, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
Was this one AGW too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1862

it was estimated that approximately one-quarter of the taxable real estate in the state of California was destroyed in the flood. Dependent on property taxes, the State of California went bankrupt. The governor, state legislature, and state employees were not paid for a year and a half.[

There's geological evidence in the drainage's of coastal streams that this has been happening at about 200 year intervals for a very long time.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Riley, what worries me is an event like this happening in northern Alberta, and overflowing the tar sands tailings ponds. All that toxic crap would be everywhere and into arctic drainages.
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Jun 22, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
I wonder how the trout will be affected by all this?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
Boy, all those Murrican turoids goin' up to Banff are gonna be pissed off!
How could yous guys let this happen?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
Riley, what worries me is an event like this happening in northern Alberta, and overflowing the tar sands tailings ponds. All that toxic crap would be everywhere and into arctic drainages.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/canada/Sour+leak+southern+Alberta+called+potentially+life+threatening/8554736/story.html
Credit: McHale's Navy
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
^ Fortunately that was a relatively small leak. According to this - http://desmog.ca/2013/06/11/fort-mcmurray-home-176-square-km-tar-sands-tailings-ponds-overwhelmed-floods - the tar sands, so far, have 176 sq km of tailings ponds. A lot of area to protect, and severe consequences if this toxic crap gets out.

http://desmog.ca/2013/06/13/fort-mcmurray-flooding-emphasizes-tar-sands-threat-mackenzie-river-basin

Mackenzie Basin drainages
Mackenzie Basin drainages
Credit: desmog.ca
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
http://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/Blog/if-the-alberta-government-didnt-inform-you-ab/blog/45597/

Pretty much what happens all over the world. There was a big news blackout when the Gulf Sperm Whales died. They did not run away like we have been taught to think. Sorry, I don't mean to hijack this thread!
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
TFPU, McHale's Navy! I didn't know about this. Of course its not in the Albetra government's interest to make the public aware...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/apache-pipeline-leaks-60000-barrels-of-salty-water-in-northwest-alberta/article12494371/

Toxic waste spill in northern Alberta biggest of recent disasters in North America

The substance is the inky black colour of oil, and the treetops are brown. Across a broad expanse of northern Alberta muskeg, the landscape is dead. It has been poisoned by a huge spill of 9.5 million litres of toxic waste from an oil and gas operation in northern Alberta, the third major leak in a region whose residents are now questioning whether enough is being done to maintain aging energy infrastructure.

The spill was first spotted on June 1. But not until Wednesday did Houston-based Apache Corp. release estimates of its size, which exceeds all of the major recent spills in North America. I.....

...The leak follows a pair of other major spills in the region, including 800,000 litres of an oil-water mixture from Pace Oil and Gas Ltd., and nearly 3.5 million litres of oil from a pipeline run by Plains Midstream Canada.

After those accidents, the Dene Tha had asked the Energy Resources Conservation Board, Alberta’s energy regulator, to require installation of pressure and volume monitors, as well as emergency shutoff devices, on aging oil and gas infrastructure. The Apache spill has renewed calls for change.

“We don’t believe that the government is doing enough to ensure upgrades and maintenance of the lines,” Mr. Ahnassay said.

The Apache spill took place in an area rich with wetlands. Though the Dene Tha suspect waterfowl have died, the company said it has seen no wildlife impacts. The spill has not reached the Zama River, although the Alberta government said it has affected tributaries. Water monitoring is ongoing.

Neither Apache nor Alberta initially disclosed the spill, which was only made public after someone reported it to a TV station late last week. The National Energy Board, by comparison, sent out a news release Tuesday after a spill of five to seven barrels of oil at an Imperial Oil Ltd. refinery in Sarnia, Ont....
BMcC

Trad climber
Livermore
Jun 22, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Amazing and sad to see the flooding and related damage, and its effects will impact so many people for longer than the duration of the high water!

apogee - thanks for starting this thread. I had read some about the flooding in Calgary and was guessing that Canmore was probably getting slammed, too.
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