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Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 19, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
A mere two weeks ago i bought a quart of standard bondo for 8.99. Today i had to buy another,, same product, same store,, 12.99..an increase of exactly 50% in two weeks.

Over the past year and a half, my over head has increased across the board between 35 and 50%. All items i need to order as well as shipping costs have soared.


Dont get me started on grocery's..


feelin the pinch??
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 19, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
Nope, I'm doing just fine. Thanks for asking.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:03pm PT

Are apostrophes really that challenging?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Obviously, this bondo crisis is the fault of the black muslim in the white house.
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
Alcohol Monitoring Computer Internet Posting Interlock
Alcohol Monitoring Computer Internet Posting Interlock
Credit: looking sketchy there...
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
Well a 50% jump in two weeks was a shocker. Metal is also jumping up and polyurethane foam is like buying liquid cocaine er sumpn. Glass eyes a year ago i paid 2.95 a pair for are now 5.95 for lil 7mm bird eyes.

Its not just obama, its every other jackwagon counterfeit corkscrew in washington and then some.

Any rate SHYT is gettin EXPENSIVE out there!
MisterE

Social climber
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Huffing always has it's price.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
I work with computers.

Sh#t gets cheaper all the time.

Been that way for over forty years.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
theres nothing like a bondo buzz in the morning... Especially if ya thin-er down with some lacquer, while mixing a skin around in a seven acid tanning solution while a bird skin soaks in white gas over in the corner. Then i light up a smoke and sip da coffee..

Guess no one gives a rip that products are jumping 50% in a matter of weeks. But THAT is a worrisome thing imo.. Cuz it AINT just bondo..
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
You and Locker need to hang out more often. Glue & Bondo...just imagine!
Mark Sensenbach

climber
CA
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
things are going up wages not so fast but there are still lots of stuff being thrown away and excess.
If you get creative you can find tons for free. Have fun with it and try and stay positive.

Hope for roundabouts and bike paths galore.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:38pm PT

Nothing like the great bondo price increase of June 2005.

http://www.taxidermy.net/forums/GameheadArticles/05/f/05BDC42BB7.html
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
Ron, Bondo? You should check out the crazy pricing of Metamucil!
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
friggin Ensure is like 11 bones a sixer now !
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
Your Depends too I bet?

DMT
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jun 19, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
thanks, private equity!!!!!!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 19, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
thanks, private equity!!!!!!

you mean "Thanks Ben Bernanke"!

Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
Shipping has gone up 45% in the last year. Just go to the UPS site and do a sample shipping label,, for next or second day air shipping a box that is 20"x18" x 24" weighing five pounds, Mich to Nv LMAO!!!!!!!!

I buy stock specimens when the are available of certain commonly used species. Now i have to add an incredible fee to each of those stock prices to cover the extortion ,, eer i mean shipping...
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jun 19, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
and yet you cheer for every wage lowering gambit the monopolies you complain about gouging offer up via the racist f*#ks their money talks religious idiots into keeping in office

christ
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
good lord...its arggghsin...
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jun 19, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
Our wealth has been redistributed on the stealth. You can't raise the standard of living worldwide as easy as you can lower the standard in the developed world. Call it inflation, call it offshoring, call it enviromental activism, call it Ben's printing press, call it corporate greed; it all ends the same way-third world status for all citizenry and wealth and power concentrated in the hands of the new aristocracy. Obama will soon go on another redistribution tour, on tens of millions of our hard earned dollars, where he will once again hand out our "stash", this time in Africa.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jun 19, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
you mean all we get from there is disease and blight?!?!?


christ you scumsucking welfare queens
living off the sweat of others who didnt have the choice to subsidize the fake independance and freedom you keep dreaming like your racist mother told you to

you probably have the ignorant audacity to think youve actually paid for what youve got; let alone earned the coins you were gifted to jangle





Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
jjeeeeeezhusss,,, "im an excellent driver"...
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jun 19, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
google slot car
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:17am PT
In 1991 I bought a bunch of carabiners through Campmor mail order.

Don't remember the exact price, but ovals were around five bucks if you bought ten or more.

http://www.campmor.com/black-diamond-oval-carabiner.shtml
http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___30272

Today they are $4.99

I don't think the price of most climbing gear has changed much over the past 20+ years.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:24am PT
Time to raise yer death art prices Ron?
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:24am PT
FACT:Inflation is not rising.

Inflation at the Producer level is below the Fed's target of 2%, currently at 1.10%



Inflation at the Consumer level is below the Fed's target of 2%, currently at 1.7%



Now STFU&GBTW, maybe if you made more money you wouldn't be an insufferable bitch.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:30am PT
Sushi, wine and chalk prices seem to be holding....I'll be okay.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:55am PT
Thank gawd! I'd hate to drop my sushi in somebody's wine because I couldn't afford the chalk I need to keep a grip on it!
dirtbag

climber
Jun 20, 2013 - 07:02am PT
Thanks pointing that out Goatboy.

Of course, the Obama haters won't care about data and will blame Obama for the sun going down at night.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Jun 20, 2013 - 07:06am PT
I was wondering about the sun going down.

Now I know .
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 20, 2013 - 07:11am PT
Someone is clearly trying to corner the Chicago mercantile exchange market on eyeballs and bondo!



Looking good Billy!


DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 20, 2013 - 07:12am PT
Ron:
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jun 20, 2013 - 07:29am PT
If you think things are bad now just wait.

We have been holding down inflation for decades, but China and India now competing for energy resources will blow the lid off.
Mark my words.

Invest in equities, not bonds (or bondo).
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 20, 2013 - 07:34am PT
Glass eyes a year ago i paid 2.95 a pair for are now 5.95 for lil 7mm bird eyes.

I just found 7mm eyeballs for $1.60.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 07:38am PT
well Gary you can buy cheapazz doll eyes for fiddy cents. Those however dont make the grade round here..

and goatboy you may form your lips tightly round my sphincter as i fart .

I have news for you,, your GRAPH is a LAUGH..Reality is quite diff than that.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jun 20, 2013 - 07:41am PT
Not to be insensitive here, but if you have glass eyes how can you read the price tag?
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 07:43am PT
I just stand in the store screaming how much is bondo and will someone lead me to it!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 20, 2013 - 07:44am PT
You must have incredibly sensitive hands.

DMT
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jun 20, 2013 - 07:56am PT
It's not really "inflation," but devaluation of the currency due to policies of the Federal Reserve System. As long as the Fed tries to print it's way to prosperity, this trend will continue.

A recent conversation with my "friendly banker," whom I've known for over 25 years: he indicated that banks currently have more money available than they can ever hope to lend but the Dodd-Frank Act prevents them from making loans! It's a sucker bet in any case. All the Central Banks are printing increasingly worthless currency, but led by Japan and the U.S. The idea of "deflation" simply scares the schitt outa' them. Soorer or later, there will be a collapse of the Dollar, the Yen, and all other Fiat Currencies. The lure of the printing press is simply too great for politicians of any ilk to ignore and resist.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:03am PT
There's one slight problem with using the Core Inflation figures - they don't
reflect food or energy prices because using those would be too much like real life.
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:03am PT

I have news for you,, your GRAPH is a LAUGH..Reality is quite diff than that.

People smarter and richer than you disagree.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:07am PT
Sweet, goldbuggery nonsense.

Ron, there's an old saying from Tennesee, well I know they say it in Texas, and probably Tennessee too. "Fool me once"...hold on, that's not it...oh yeah, "the plural of anecdote is not data".

Cipher on that phrase a while, and get back to us when it sinks in.
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 08:08am PT
Credit: Ron Anderson


everything in this pic has increased in price over three years to the tune of 40% +.



From adhesives, to acrylic paints to GLU and bondo. The fuel charges and shipping is now doubled from 4 yrs ago.

If you wonder why your local hobby stores have gone away, the internet and costs are to blame.

If you wonder why your local climbing shop went tits up thanks the same.

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:08am PT
Reilly-

You are absolutely correct. The CPI doesn't include food or energy. That's deliberate, because Socialist Security benefits are determined by the Consumer Price Index.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:12am PT
It is always about you and your suffering...did it occur to you to charge more for the non-essential service you provide?

...I hear a waaaambulance
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 08:15am PT
FUQ mtpunk.. And i guess your not smart enough to realize this is about us ALL.. No wonder those S Americans chased you the F outta there.. a fuggin 41 yr old PUSSY .. Wanna talk WHHAAAAAAAMBULANCE!? Im callin the EMBASSY ROFLMAO! Now quit buggin me boy.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:24am PT
Your post seems your asking for company to share your misery Ron...all Im saying is charge the wealthy aholes who want an animal mounted an appropriate price for that luxury item...otherwise cry by yourself!!!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:27am PT
You guys who think the CPI has much real world relevance clearly aren't skiers and your mom's must be buying your food.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:31am PT
Stop being so sensitive, Ron. He's just looking for a reaction.

And while you're at it, get a better perspective, too. Holding up your extremely singular anecdotal example of Bondo prices as proof of inflation is just plain silly.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 08:34am PT
well ,mtpud , that is because of the way YOU VIEW shyt . Not me.

For instance,, for the carpenters here, framing lumber hit an 8 yr high in march. Which i buy.

You see some of us actually do stuff. We work, and buy all manner of supplies to do so.. Itc called being in a business. And at this time small business is failing and disappearing left and right.

Now some of you can just bitch at me because its what you like to do. However that still doesnt negate the fact that places like Dave Goodwins shop are no longer here. A fellow St-er and climber and small businessman that lost his shirt. This aint about me, its about everyone.


Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:35am PT
The exclusion of food and fuel from that measure (which is one of many inflation baskets that is measured) is not some black helicopter bilderberg scheme to funnel all your hard earned money to soros, it's because food and fuel are way more volatile in price than most items. Supply is fickle and less predictable. Wars, droughts, floods etc all have massive influence on cost of these items that has nothing to do with printing presses or gold buggery nonsense. If you had food and fuel in the core measure, it would swing all over the place. Do you really want long term adjustments in fiscal policy to be at the whim of fires in Australia or floods in Africa?

Ron, a simple quiz for you:

If Bondo cost $20 a can from 2002 to 2009, then goes to $22 a can from 2010 to 2012, then goes to $30 a can in 2013. What is the RATE of inflation for bondo over that time period?
apogee

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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:38am PT
I don't know Dave Goodwin.

Lumber prices went through the roof for the years after Katrina, and during Iraq/Afghanistan. Not at all related to inflation, though.

You can't pick out a couple of very specific examples and call it 'evidence'.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:38am PT
elcap - oh that's just mean.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 08:45am PT
Apogee, perhaps you missed where i mentioned across the board.. Bondo, glu, adhesives, tanning acids, lumber, foam, shipping , paint and all the other items such as glass eyes.. Hell throw in food for that matter. At the current rate, and prices ill need to charge for my work to attempt a tiny profit i should be priced out of business within the year. Then ill go in food stamps welfare, and finally be able to get some health care as i join the nipple suckling end of things. At which time i shall re-register democrat as to not skew demographics!


edit: And Dave Goodwin is the former owner of the "Sporting Rage" backpacking and climbing store. RIP "Sporting Rage"...
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:50am PT
Ignorance and arrogance, the unbeatable combo in debates.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:52am PT
Every one of the items you mention are related to construction & building- the housing market has been on the mend over the last several years. I'm no economist (by a long shot), but the correlation seems pretty damn clear to me.

Same thing happened during the mid-2000's, during the housing bubble, and the impacts of Katrina/Iraq/Afghanistan.

As far as Dave's shop...don't get me started on the demise of the outdoor retail industry. We don't really need another REI-bashing thread. Bottom line, though, is that this demise has nothing to do with 'Inflation!'.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 20, 2013 - 08:57am PT
Ron I had...had two businesses that failed after being successful for many years...I sent you an email this past year to encourage you to persevere...many times you bashed me in return. I don't and won't coddle the strong...being a strong person is its own reward...I lost everything in the last month due to a poor decision on my part...even my gear...now I'm starting over with the help of those who love me...there is no time to waste in sorrow...now is the time to persevere...no one feels sorry for people like you and me when they meet us because we have a currency that cannot be bought...we are strong and healthy...with questionable intelligence :)

I will overcome......
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 08:57am PT
The exact same "REI" syndrome is hitting my industry apogee. A large corporate monster has been buying up the major suppliers in my field. Suppliers that have been in business for 70 years. Much like cabelas does these days. Once they have all of them, everything will be made in CHINA as this corporation rolls that way. Just another piece of Americana sold up the river.

Appreciate the "tone" of yur last post mtlion, that wasnt so hard was it?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:02am PT
elcap - oh that's just mean.

It is also irrelevant to the average joe at the grocery store or gas station.
It is only relevant to Ben Bernanke and this discussion ain't about monetary
policy, it's about Bondo and putting stuffed boids and kitties on yer table!
dirtbag

climber
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:03am PT
It is so hard to find anything manufactured here anymore. Dollar tree and Walmart shelves aren't filled with made in USA.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:08am PT
"The exact same "REI" syndrome is hitting my industry"

This 'syndrome' is the nature of the US consumer economy, Ron. It's been heading this direction for decades, and it's only relation to politics is the way that both parties have facilitated the interests of corporations over individuals.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:11am PT
Dirtbag,

This is what I found at WalMart:

 Motor oil ( Mobil 1, because they sponsor F-1 ) Made in America

 Oil and air filters ( FRAM ) Made in America

 Benadryl ( for an alergic dog ) Made in America

 Fish oil and Vitamin E ( also for dogs ) Made in America

 Cliff Bars ( 86 cents each! ) Made in America

 Sierra Nevada Pale Ale ( two cases ) Made in America

 Printer ink ( Epson ) Made in America

 Propane canisters ( Coleman ) Made in America

 Soap, toothpaste, deodorant, razor blades - All Made in America

 Mouse traps - Made in America ( Brooklyn, NY )

The only thing I brought home that day that WASN'T made in USA was coffee.

Except for the beer, there was no foreign-made alternative stocked on the WalMart shelves that day.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:26am PT
Nope Ron it isn't hard being nice, I bet most of us on here are in person everyday. The Internet lets very little of our true personality to show...my dirtbag friends know my dry, sarcastic sense of humor and according to them I'm funny once you get to know me...on here that same humor is in reality being an ahole...wich I also am more than I want to be...
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 09:32am PT
Trying to off load an antique singer sewing machine i have..Five of the seven calls i made to antique stores here was answered by : Welcome to verizon, the number youve dialed has been changed or disconnected. The YELLER pages are all but worthless.!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:37am PT
Inflation has been low, probably artificially as Ron proclaims. One thing that has experienced a remarkable uptick is the per capita cost of votes.
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:37am PT
It is sad to see the tremendous misinformation and ignorance concerning economics and how central banking works. Strong opinions based upon such is how you are misled from one false premise (and proposed solution) to another.

You should thank your lucky stars that someone like Bernanke was Fed Chairman during this crisis (and not some fiscal conservative -- like the German Bankers -- thanks to the Germans and other fiscal conservatives insistence of reversal of the ECB's [European Central Bank] policies, Europe has now experienced 7 straight quarters of a decline in GDP).

Understanding this subject requires substantially more than listening to the talking heads and seriously misguided politicians.

And, yes the facts are that inflation is low (lower than the target rate of around 2.4% -- which indicates a growing and healthy economy).

As long as quantitative easing is tapered off in a sound manner, the doom and gloom inflation preachers will have a prediction record on par with their end of the world religious brethren.



Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:40am PT
Dollar tree and Walmart shelves aren't filled with made in USA.

That's because you don't buy your jet engines, medical imaging devices, or heavy earth moving equipment at Dollar Tree or Walmart.

The US is still a manufacturing powerhouse. China's manufacturing is slightly bigger by some measures, but they have five times as many people. There's a lot of stuff made in the USA, but it is not the stuff you see on the store shelves with the "made in XXX" tags.
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 09:48am PT
Ya wanna know what pizzes me off about the way business is going right now? It pizzes me off that i CANT just fly a phat check to those in need here, as ive done in the past,..Instead i have to come up with mickey mouse auctions of stuff.. I dont like being that way.. When ive had it ive given it and now that isnt so easy..
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:53am PT
This is what I found at WalMart:

You shop at Walmart (support their business and business model) and then complain about the paucity of US made goods on their shelves?

That is seriously ironic.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:57am PT
Components, ingredients and raw material supply chains are mostly global, depending upon the product of course. Assembled in America, may be a more appropriate label in a lot of cases.

Our US military, for example, is dependent on the longest supply lines in the history of the world, to execute its war making capacity. Napoleon would chide us from the grave for repeating his first big mistake. :-)

But given that the Us military's prime mission has been subverted to commerce it should not be a big surprise to anyone. The whole country has evolved to depend utterly on a global supply chain.

Works great... till it doesn't! Then there will be war.

DMT
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Jun 20, 2013 - 09:59am PT
The Internet lets very little of our true personality to show...


HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Au contraire, I think it shows us as we really are. Unvarnished. Zero punches pulled. Nobody's a 90lb weakling online.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 10:11am PT
as was said in blazing saddles,, " im just a pawn in the game of life"..

I dont understand this GLOBUUUUL economy crud. I havent the time to do so.

I just look at costs compared to profit and pricing and watch as it all goes backassward..


I ship 60% of the work i do. Its like a thrombosis every time i pay for that shipping lol! In fact, it has literally removed some customers from my business (wholesale predominantly) as the shipping costs when added to the wholesale price of the mount negates their profits. Unless of course, i LOWER my prices to the tune of about three bones an hour ...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 20, 2013 - 10:14am PT
Costs change constantly for the businesses I work with - on a daily and weekly basis. They establish gross profit margins and adjust their retail prices accordingly.

All successful businesses work very hard to protect their gross margin targets. Them that don't?

They eventually fail.

DMT
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 10:20am PT
that explains why taters one week are .90 cents a pound and next week are 1.59 a pound i suppose..

But take shipping costs for example, they havent fluctuated up and down,, just UP. Even though gas rises and falls at odd intervals.

And now that the gubbmint is going to go after power plants in the GW fight, i can only see a drastic increase in the cost of electricity coming soon..Them power companies arent known for "absorbing" jack. MUST keep the stockholders on an even or better keel right?


Inflation, or just sky-rocketing prices, either way stuff is getting more expensive by the day..
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 20, 2013 - 11:44am PT
This is what pisses me off about the economy and globalization:

Our military is the security company for BIG OIL...

Profits are privatized and losses are socialized for large financial institutions...

Corporations move manufacturing to third world countries without environmental or labor regulations----default the environment---exploit powerless workers in harsh conditions and in reality expect us to move towards those standards here...

zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Jun 20, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
The price of gasoline, beer and marijuana have all risen dramatically in my lifetime. Likewise bread, eggs, tortillas, milk, donuts, ice cream, pistachios and almonds (outrageously), bananas ...

What I was wondering was, is there anything whose price has not gone up alot/at all?

I recall seeing a sign once. For a good time call xxxxx (to protect the innocent) - no price was specified. Last time I checked it was still there.

Anyone called lately?



blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jun 20, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
You should thank your lucky stars that someone like Bernanke was Fed Chairman during this crisis (and not some fiscal conservative -- like the German Bankers -- thanks to the Germans and other fiscal conservatives insistence of reversal of the ECB's [European Central Bank] policies, Europe has now experienced 7 straight quarters of a decline in GDP

Yeah those darn German bankers, they really wrecked the German economy!
And now they're doing the same to the rest of Europe by refusing to give it German money--how dare they!
Those mean conservatives are always causing trouble by not giving money to the folks who have already squandered what they had, sheesh, when will they ever learn.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 20, 2013 - 12:28pm PT
oh really?

in terms of fiscal policy then, explain why the children of tomorrow are more important to protect than the children of today?

hint:

Europe, other than Germany, is in recession, 100% caused by conservatives' "austerity" programs

just as Bush and his fellow Republicans presided over the US economy going into recession

don't give me any of that high school level "fiscal responsibility" crap
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 12:30pm PT
dont give me DEM/REPUB.. its AWWWLLLOFEM bub..

edit:^^^^ that should be a lyric in a song.!
jfailing

Trad climber
PDX, North Slope, The Open Road
Jun 20, 2013 - 12:32pm PT


Oops, wrong inflation...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 20, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Norton, really now, not very many impartial observers would agree that it
was conservatives who created the European welfare states that far exceeded
their fiscal responsibilities and put them into a position where cutbacks
were needed unless default was deemed preferable.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
All this talk of Germany this, Then YEN that,, fuggin drives me batty.. I guess being more the artistically inclined makes subjects of that nature "fade to grey" so to speak. I tried once to understand the foreign factors and global poop fests. Its beyond me by an Everest of proportion.

I swear sometimes,, i am a throwback to a simpler time, perhaps the early 1800s. The older i grew the less i knew. I wrote that in a song once. meant every syllable.


but this bondo deal floored me.. I went out of the store and called around to check prices elsewhere. 12.99 WAS the cheapest and they went up to 17.99 for a lousy quart of bondo that was 8.99 2 weeks ago..?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 20, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
I swear sometimes,, i am a throwback to a simpler time, perhaps the early 1800s. The older i grew the less i knew.

Ron, you have finally said something I agree with

yes, I think you belong in the America of 1800

not that there is anything wrong with that of course!

life was much simpler then, people worked with their bodies and hands

they died much earlier but so what
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 20, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
"I swear sometimes,, i am a throwback to a simpler time, perhaps the early 1800s. "

Nails it!

I understand the sentiment, though.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Glad to see you gettin back into a little "form" apogee.;-)

And Norton, i take absolutely no offense. In some ways ive been highly educated, but in others, like in my heart, i desire simplicity. My skill sets would have been perfect for those 1800s.. And my cuz Daniel Boone lived to 86 yrs old. Ate mostly that ghastly red meat arrrgghh!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 20, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
I swear sometimes,, i am a throwback to a simpler time, perhaps the early 1800s.

Yeah, the good ol' days, when your wife died at age twenty five while giving birth to your fifth child (two of which died before they made it to age three.)

Plus there was no supertopo in the 1800s.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 20, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Those mean conservatives are always causing trouble by not giving money to the folks who have already squandered what they had, sheesh, when will they ever learn.

You got that backwards. Conservatives love to give the money we earn to Wall Street.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
Yes, when a man looked out over a mtn range and saw countless wildlife, streams and lakes chocked with fish, and freedom the likes we will never know. When bartering, trading and a little money were enough to see you through to the next season. When you grew yur own food collected and hunted it. When the earth was still rather clean.. And the only wars were either side of my heritage competing for that land. "here i am stuck in the middle again !"
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Jun 20, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Reilly and Norton make the mistake of conflating the causes of fiscal crisis and the proper response to the resulting crisis.

No reasonable person should dispute that Greece and some other members of the GIPIS countries (less flatteringly dubbed "PIIGS") lacked any restraint on spending and incurring debt to maintain that spending.

But simply prescribing austerity as a cure-all in the aftermath has caused greater problems and denies the financial realities of a unified currency and how money is lent to (and required by) financial institutions and businesses literally on a day-to-day basis.

Ideology shouldn't dictate fiscal policy.

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 20, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
It's not ideology, I have this spreadsheet that proves it...

Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Jun 20, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
Darn it! I thought this thread was about inflating the grades of popular climbs. e.x. I am fat/out of shape and that 5.9 felt like 5.11.

Really the debate on this thread is mind-numbing. Believe it or not, forces greater then conservatives or liberals are at the root cause of inflation but whatever. Carry on!


apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 20, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
Given recent events, I've resolved to work on my compassion and tolerance. ST is a great place to test this out. Wish me luck!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
Just go with it.. In time youll be normal again..There will be another influence and life will continue on, with more memories to be made. And jabs to be served..
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 20, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
Mr Sketchy, don't put words in my mouth. I made no value judgement
on the cutbacks other than saying they were necessary. Everybody agrees,
with the exception of the truly fiscally-impaired, that cutbacks were necessary.
The extent to which they were taken is certainly debatable but unless you
believe Europe's children should be paying the interest for their fathers'
fiscal improprieties for many years to come then some pain now might be
preferable to a lot more pain down the road.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jun 20, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
You got that backwards. Conservatives love to give the money we earn to Wall Street.
Actually I think both parties do a pretty good job of that, and I wouldn't assume the Repubs funnel any more money to Wall Street that Dems.

Let's see, how did the ex-governor of NJ, also ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, and Democrat Jon Corzine make out?
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 20, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
"In time youll be normal again..."

'Normal'? Not sure what that is, or such a thing actually exists.


"There will be another influence..."

I'm working on that. Stand by.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
i want my dang bondo back to 8.99 DUMMIT! ;-)


Im still shytin over that one ! i thought white gas had become ridiculous. Its now 11.99 a gallon minimum. I use a lot of that. That a few years back was 7.99..


I know everyone here has to be paying more for meat, puhhtaters, celery and the like. Freakin cookies and snacks have pretty much doubled i five years or less. 40 bucks now doesnt quite fill two of those soon to rip plastic bags. I wonder how the fixed income folks handle this all, those elderly and such? Hell, i AM elderly by job market standards lmao! Try being 55, a taxidermist for the last twenty some years full time, and apply for local jobs.. Its hilarious when they see me.. I know exactly what they are thinkin too ! (WTH is this OOOOLD dude doin here? )




edit: Apogee, yur new flame wont be to erase the last one for there will never be another like that. But they WILL be equal in their own ways. When looking back on my previous three TRUE flames, i see them all equally , the same and fine in the spirit lands.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 20, 2013 - 02:06pm PT
I'm pretty sure they had inflation in the 1800s too. And it took one helluva long time to get glass eyeballs from Chicago! It was more costly, too.

Way more costly.

DMT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jun 20, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
Ten dollar a gallon gas in less than 5 years.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 20, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
gads man.. TO ARMS!!!
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jun 20, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
Ten dollar a gallon gas in less than 5 years.

Well, at least admission to national parks won't go up for me. I finally got my Senior Pass (aka Golden Turkey).

In all seriousness, though, the extent of "quantitative easing" makes some inflation inevitable, as it has been for several years. The only question is when. The sad truth is that given political reality, it's probably the most likely way the excess from the Housing Bubble will work itself out.

John
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Jun 20, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
Just my two cents worth in this matter.

Now needs to be updated: making it four cents due to inflation.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 20, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
More like a dime.

A two dollars and sixty cents if you go back to when the two cents comment originated.

(1926)
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 20, 2013 - 04:07pm PT
Our wealth has been redistributed on the stealth

This is a true statement.

However, not in the way that you think. The very wealthy have done VERY well during the last 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. And will continue to do so.

There has been a significant shift in the ownership of America, the wealth of America, and the income distribution in America.

And it has not been FROM the wealthy, but TO the wealthy.

Look at what has happened to the minimum wage in the last 20 years, and look at the average income of the top 1%......you will see what has happened.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 20, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
"The very wealthy have done VERY well during the last 5 years, 10 years, 20 years. And will continue to do so."

What cracks me up is that Repubs defend this shift of wealth as though it's a shining example of the individual rewards of capitalism, and probably have an unspoken fantasy that some day, they too, will be one of the 1%. Dream on...it's an exclusive club, and they don't want you there.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jun 20, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
^^^^^^

Yep.
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jun 20, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
The rich get richer because they have money and know how compounded interest continuously works. There is no conspiracy against the working poor. This is America, if you can't make it here, unless your disabled, you are not working smart enough.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 20, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
What cracks me up is that Repubs defend this shift of wealth as though it's a shining example of the individual rewards of capitalism, and probably have an unspoken fantasy that some day, they too, will be one of the 1%. Dream on...it's an exclusive club, and they don't want you there.

That's the GOP Carrot, right there.

Just like Hero, is military carrot.

And 'making a living in a fair world' is the democrat carrot.

Its all a big pile of horse sh#t.

Vote for your best interests whatever you think they are. Wanna spray about them reasons expect to get sprayed in return.

DMT
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 20, 2013 - 04:45pm PT
This is America, if you can't make it here, unless your disabled, you are not working smart enough.

good point

however, both having jobs available and being able find and get to one in many parts of this country for people without at least college education is the real problem

we are in the midst of chronic long term hyper underemployment
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
Jun 20, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Some of the success stories I've seen rise to the 1% come from immigrants, they create their own jobs and start more for others, they know how bad it's like outside the USA and can appreciate what we have way more than the locals.

It's not unpossible, you just have to have the drive to buckle down buttercup and handle the rough ride. Some folks want jobs handed to them, others want to forge their own path and enrich those around them.

"long term hyper underemployment", ummwut? How does that work, somebody has to make the doughnuts and pies.



Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Jun 20, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
As already explained on the Wealth Distribution thread, there are countless ways that the rich have gamed the system at the expense of others. Why else would they spend billions of dollars lobbying politicians and the media, except to get a return of 100:1 in payouts?
What is the ratio of top executive pay in the US to the average wage vs the ratio of 40 years ago?
What is carried interest?
What was the Glass-Steagall act?
What are today's effects of Prop 13?
Why are companies allowed to borrow against pension funds?
What is ALEC?
What is the effect of Citzens United?
What are the special rules for student loan terms?
What is Mitt Romney's total tax rate vs. mine?
What percent of crooked trading does the SEC stop?
How many big bankers went to jail after the financial crisis?
What did the FERC do in the 2001 California power crisis?
What is the tax purpose of a 1031 exchange?
What is the Revolving Door?
What percent of luxury sports arena skyboxes are written off as corporate expenses?
Why was Tesoro allowed to buy BP (Arco) assets in CA, allowing 2 suppliers, Chevron and Tesoro, to control 53% of production?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 20, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
What is in those pies?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
blah:

"You got thatbackwards. Conservatives love to give the money we earn to Wall Street."

Actually I think both parties do a pretty good job of that, and I wouldn't assume the Repubs funnel any more money to Wall Street that Dems.

Let's see, how did the ex-governor of NJ, also ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs, and Democrat Jon Corzine make out?

Like the thieves they are? Both parties are capitalist parties, that's for sure. They are happy to see what we create and build confiscated by Wall Street.

Then they call us the moochers. Sweet!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 20, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Who is "Wall Street" anyway?

Some of the biggest players on Wall Street are pension funds.
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 22, 2013 - 08:32am PT
I haven't seen anyone punished from Wall Street for what they did to our and the global economy...

As far as who "they" are---we all are "they" if we care more about making an obscene profit than we do about promoting the common good. "They" are the ones stealing from all of us without conscience and without PUNISHMENT. If you know one of these people OUT them , out the companies they work for and make them defend their actions (our ancestors did).

Most climbers I know want and have an envious lifestyle but they care about other people for the most part...haven't met a climber from Wall St.

Poor working class people the world over need to unite and let the bastards know that they can have the GUNS we got the NUMBERS.

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 22, 2013 - 09:21am PT
The small bag was $33 and, yes, it was from Whole Paycheck.
The bag of beef was $90! WTF?
It's expensive feeding Super Tacoheads! Or should I say, Super Tacomouths?

Credit: Reilly
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 22, 2013 - 09:25am PT
Reilly....And the $30.00 worth of Metamucil to wash it all down...?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2013 - 10:17am PT
I hear ya Reilly. I bought a 2x4 slab of 3/4 " plywood yesterday eve, for 17.95..
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 22, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
mountainlion

Trad climber
California
Jun 22, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
TGT your racism shows in most of your posts...wrong president BTW...it is a sad state of affairs when a person who has recieved a quality public school education (like yourself) is regulated to serving the corporate masters by dividing our nation...


it is our nation TGT we need to unite to defeat the people who are dividing us...

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