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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
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If dogs aren't allowed, you should tell them. But it's all in the way you do it. Sounds like your GF didn't handle it very well.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
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Whack that motherf*#ker with yer Grigri!
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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Perhaps GF should consider charm school...
Information about rules and standards can be passed on without insulting or attempting to reign over other folk
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Travis Haussener
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
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Thanks for the responses...charm school good one. Yeah she was polite at first but then when they disrespected her she got offended.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
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Tact can go a long way sometimes. Just the other day my pard told a guy about how he shouldn't be parked where he was. He said "heads up on the parking ,dude" while he really meant "yo dipsh!t grow a brain!" I know this because I speak and understand N.Carolinian. ;)
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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You did the right thing by not letting it get out of control.
GF may not have been so vocal had she been alone. Something to ponder.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
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No punches or ice axes thown then not a fight.
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phylp
Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:39pm PT
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Wow! I can understand your need to vent.
I can only remember two occasions when I felt so strongly about something climbing/in a climbing area that I felt the need to vent. Once was in Yosemite Valley when I saw a chinese grandma walking with her family and picking every fiddlehead fern she saw. I explained politely that it was not allowed and was ignored. So I followed them to their car and wrote down the license number and reported it to a ranger. I was pretty upset.
You shouldn't try to enforce laws but if you honestly think someone doesn't know a law you could mention it to them. But you always speak to strangers at your own risk. Your gf should think about the risk. People can react in unpredictable ways.
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Tan Slacks
climber
Joshua Tree
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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In my youth I dated two different women who created situations that caused me to fight ...
you were lucky the guy backed down since you did not seem prepared for what your girl friend started .....
tip ..... find a new girl friend
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
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She probably would have said it even alone too! At least I would and... I probably would get myself beat up for my efforts/stupidity, etc, but hey... I believe people should respect the laws. I wouldn't take my dog in places that the law states is illegal. I think there are good reasons for certain laws that I might not obviously see. Respecting the Law is respecting yourself, (at least that was the Greek ideology during Plato's time.)
Good of you to be calm and get the heck out of there... Proud of you too. It shows a whole lot of maturity and that you have a good head on your shoulders.
Next time just call the Police... Much easier to let the folks who get paid to do that job than you folks.
FYI... Cosgrove doesn't carry a purse. He's a big guy, he just looks at most folks and they wilt away.
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Tan Slacks
climber
Joshua Tree
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
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GF may not have been so vocal had she been alone. Something to ponder.
Good point, but perhaps she was only vocal because he was there ..... scary
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
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Your GF was within her rights to inform the other party, but her mistake was in becoming confrontational. She could have simply smiled, shrugged her shoulders and said "It's YOUR a$$." These days it's not good to confront strangers unless you have some means of (1) egress, or (2) a means of dissuading the other party; you mentioned concealed carry. But really, is that worth the complications? She did her thing, and should have then dropped the subject. Then called the cops.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
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Yer 6'3" and 205?
How big was he?
How big was his dog?
Where was yer roscoe?
Pepper spray?
Did she at least take some video or pics?
Did they KNOW about the dog ban and were just scofflaws?
Did the dog act aggressively too?
Did they even know how to place pro?
Questions, questions.
One thing I don't wonder about, though; how big yer gf's pussy is.
My guess is 6'3" lol
(can I get a rimshot)
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
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Bring in the Sherpas...
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
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That's tokers best post ever!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
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Yeah, in this day and age, be esp careful.
In this day and age, you can confront someone, they reciprocate a bit, you confront further, even in the slightest way, and then they can shoot you dead with their conceal carry. Six months max. Zero with a good lawyer. It's a different world out there, even at your local crag.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jun 16, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
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the shortest path from gf to ex-gf is making you uncomfortable in public
cardinal, unpardonable sin.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 16, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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Step 1. Zap em with your can of Bear Spray.
Step 2. Kick them in the nads while they are writhing on the ground.
Step 3. Look at GF and tell her she's an obnoxious ahole.
Step 4. Run like hell to the car and split.
step 5. Update your Facebook page with tales of derring-do.
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John Butler
Social climber
SLC, Utah
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Jun 16, 2013 - 10:13pm PT
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I tell them no dogs in BCC or LCC and they will get fined if Canyon Patrol catches them. Weekends after 11am are a zoo up BCC. Get up earlier.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 16, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
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Law enforcement is not your responsibility
If you chose to try to be the enforcer, you get what you deserve
I would politely inform the offender about the rules
They may be nice people but ignorant of the rules, that's all
If they get nasty, inform law enforcement at your earliest convenience
Pepper spray in self defense, if necessary
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McCfly
climber
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Jun 16, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
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Reminds me of a situation at the coffee shop this morning. I am never the type to say anything when someone is out of line or doing something clearly wrong. However this morning for some reason i just could not help but in a nice way speak up.
So the place is a small high end specialty coffee shop in well to do part of town. It is clearly not the kinda place you go to get a quick cup of coffee. So this guy comes in like three people behind me. The one espresso machine is a bit backed up as some other D-bag complained his coffee was not hot enough after he dumped half of it on the floor and then did nothing to clean it up. Anyway back to the guy that came in after me. So now things are getting a bit backed up i have been waiting maybe 5 minutes tops. This guy that walked in behind me starts bitching saying stuff like "how long does it take to make a cup of coffee" and or "how hard is really to make a cup of coffee should i really have to wait this long for a cup of coffee" or "all i want is my cup of coffee is that too much to ask"
So you can clearly see the barista is biting his tongue big time and kinda the nice type doing his best to not flip his lid. Anyway he cracks and just skips everyone's coffee that ordered before him just to shut him up. Now that the dink has his coffee he goes and put cream and sugar in it all the while till putting off the air of the arrogant dick he was. For some reason i just could not help it and i walked up beside him gave him a pat on the back and said "so seems to be working out pretty good for you being more important than everyone else in the world ehy". So now he kida flips again and starts proclaiming his stance aloud for all to hear about how long does a person have to wait for a cup of coffee.
Anyway now the guy is making a huge scene and another barista not the one whom made his coffee asks what the problem is and mouths kinda under his breath but out load that the guy is a ass hole. The customer asks the barista "excuse me what did you just say". And the barista said i called you a ass hole cuz your being a ass hole. the customer goes on to assert more arrogant power and ask the barista his name and inform him his boss will hear about this.
Clearly i should have just kept my mouth shut as i bet that barista looses his job.
I would not have said anything about the dog but been pissed and wish i had the balls. I would not be clever enough in the moment to do as another poster suggested and just call the cops.
the just call the cops is the best suggestion i have seen in this thread. I will remember that myself next time i come across a situation like a loose dog eating a bunch of baby geese.
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Rankin
Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
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Jun 16, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
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Nothing wrong with telling people the rules, and holding them accountable, but your girlfriend should have been more diplomatic. Making threats is a risk, and if you're not willing to take responsibility for the consequences of your threat, then you shouldn't make it. Just call the cops. It's there job.
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Michelle
Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
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Jun 16, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
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I have been known to run my mouth on occasion, although I never consider it someone else's responsibility to fight my battles. But my MMA ex bf and I used to try to beat the crap outof each other too and not for fun, so I'm not worried about some punk. Now, the DOG would scare me if it got aggressive.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
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Hmm.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:02pm PT
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"the shortest path from gf to ex-gf is making you uncomfortable in public"
It goes the other way, too.
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McCfly
climber
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
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F*#k that you shouldn't ever be that scared of dog. Worst thing you can do is be scared. Just move quick and be prepared to suffer some broken skin and kick the sh#t out of the stupid dog.
I am the biggest dog lover of them all so don' take me saying that the wrong way. I have two of dogs of my own. One a shelter dog and one from a back yard breeder in Orange County that woulda ended up in a shelter or having a terrible life ghetto fabulous life. Of of them cost me $800 a month minimum due to health problems no bull sh#t. The other is wicked dog aggressive so I can not let her off a leash ever ever ever. These two dogs pretty much own me plain and simple. Great dogs just high maintenance and very expensive!
Just saying being the owner of two powerful dogs and having prior been someone scared sh#t of dogs I can say I am no longer scared of any dog ever. It is all about confidence. I suppose i am willing to get bit believing that the dog will not mall me before I beat its head in with a rock if I need to.
After having enough loose dogs run up on me and my leashed dogs because the dogs are vibing off each other and having to keep my dog from killing the other dog and not getting bit in the process I can say I am no longer scared of any dog ever.
None the less you get to a certain age/place in life and it just makes sense to call the cops and let them deal with it.
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McCfly
climber
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
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Would not have a problem with the beer a bowl or any of the above. However you dog pissing and shitting in a watershed area and yes I would get pissed.
Abusing your girlfriend and i would get pissed. Beating or abusing or being a dick to your kid and i would get pissed.
Smoking pot and drinking no and I do neither and to be honest would rather I did not have to be around it. Being illegal I could see someone not being to stoked but calling the cops not so much...
Pretty much if you rock climb you had best be ok with dope and beers..
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:17pm PT
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jeeez, call the cops?
More fights have been started over gf and big mouths than anything else. They do make boxing gloves for ladies you know!
And in this corner.................
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
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None the less you get to a certain age/place in life and it just makes sense to call the cops and let them deal with it.
Does that come before or after the age/place where you kindly inform your fellow citizens of the rules and go about your own business?
1) Cops have way better things to do.
2) A few dogs up those canyons (probably below the municipal intake anyway) is not going to adversely impact the water quality. Do you know how many humans, beavers, and meese sh#t up there?
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
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Call the cops, call the cops - man, what a bunch of wanker tattle-tellers in this crowd.
Either step up and get over yourself or throw down and deal with it like a grownup.
But unless bullets are flying - leave the cops to writing revenue tickets.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
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What's also not been stated here is that your propensity to fight is inversely proportional to both your IQ and your degree of self-esteem.
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McCfly
climber
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:21pm PT
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That's your opinion and your are entitled to it as others theirs. However if you are breaking the law sorry but looks like it is too bad for you regardless if you agree or not ;)
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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I just went to a beach with signs that clearly say "DOGS MUST BE KEPT ON LEASH AT ALL TIMES."
There were about 30 dogs... 2 of them were on leashes.
My dog flipped sand all over this attractive young lady and her sh#t. I got my dog and apologized. She said, "don't worry about it... let her run... she's loving it!"
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McCfly
climber
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
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I am a dog owner and that sh#t pissed me the f*#k off also big time. No I do not call the cops. I do though get pretty pissed at the dickwad humans that think they are above following rules on public property and deciding for another what they should and should not have to tolerate. Pretty rude and arrogant if you ask me.
Now if the sigh saiz take your dog off leash please then maybe i should leave..
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
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Do people get a concealed weapons permit after these occasions?
If you were at a Florida crag you could have legally shot him.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
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^^^^
What he said
Since my IQ exceeds my shoe size by an order of magnitude, I know better than to pretend that I am either responsible for law enforcement or that I am a law enforcement officer.
If a polite word doesn't correct the situation, then either (a) I blow it off if I'm not too bothered or (b) I call law enforcement if I have a real issue with the situation.
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McCfly
climber
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
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Yeah where i am from if you just look at someone the wrong way you will probably face prosecution of some sort. Can only imagine if you pulled a gun on someone, pretty sure you would do some time even if they did threaten you in some way.
I always love when Texans are all "just try and come on my private property or break into my house" and all "maybe in that blue state of yours you might go to jail for defending yourself on your own private property. Sh#t cracks me up. Pretty sure if someone breaks into my house tonight and i shoot them and they die i am doing some time..
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
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Since you asked Travis, I believe that the correct answer is always follow John Prines advice as promulgated on his seminal work, "Dear Abby". Here ya go, no charge, watch and all of your answers to this question and all of these kinds of these questions will be revealed.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Travis had asked: "I'm sure this has been discussed at nasuem but venting is necessary. Today my gf, bro, and I went to go climbing and saw someone with their dog (yeah yeah I know). My very opinionated gf told these individuals that dogs weren't allowed in the watershed. After no response from these individuals she proceeded to tell them should would notify the 5-0 if they didn't follow the rules. Things immediately escalated and these individuals started screaming and yelling, calling names,etc etc. Being a pacifist I tried not to get involved but the young man got right in my face (I'm 6'3" 205) so he obviously meant business. I backed away and told everyone to calm down and finally everyone left without more escalation. But questions:
What are you supposed to do in these situations?
I think we shouldn't have said anything even if laws are broken
Anyone out there on the taco have something similar happen and have the situation escalate to physical blows?
People are crazy (I know) but man this guy just exploded (and he was the one doing something wrong)
Do people get a concealed weapons permit after these occasions?
Sorry for the long list just pretty upset/adrenaline winding down/didn't wanna get hit in the face for no reason."
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Jun 16, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
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What I got out of this story is that you should break up with the gf asap.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:03am PT
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Munter hitch, Coz will probably disagree, something about permanentlty twisting the dogs neck, but it will cost you 500 bucks to learn the proper technique.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:04am PT
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Thinking about the whackbabes I've known over the years - I have to agree with the collective about dumping the GF.
If you stay with her you'll eventually end up ironing creases into your Dockers every morning before work and cooking her meals wearing nothing but high heels and a lace apron.
Unless you like that sort of thing ya pussy.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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jesus h christ
did she at least give you good belay?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:11am PT
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I'm sorry, but I've been there a dozen times, and WTF is a "Florida crag"?
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Travis Haussener
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:14am PT
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Thread drift...but she's a good girl (or maybe I'm brainwashed) she climbs, runs, and skis with me/ puts up with my sh?t. She just got aggravated by their behavior. Shoot I'm prolly brainwashed.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:18am PT
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The whole state of Florida is one big watershed.
So... no dogs allowed in the whole effing state?
That pisses me off.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:20am PT
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Hey... wait a minute....there are no crags in Florida.
The whole story is BS.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:27am PT
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I'm thinking he's a nice Mormon kid from Utah who's visiting his Fiance's parents at their summer place in Tampa.
The crag thing is a red herring.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:57am PT
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And we wonder why we can't get along with the rest of the world?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jun 17, 2013 - 01:32am PT
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If others aren't doing something that directly affects you why say anything? It's a free country down there last I heard.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:04am PT
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Didnt Rock and Ice once did a story on climbing in Florida, I recall it was a stretch to call it climbing
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:16am PT
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My very opinionated gf told these individuals that dogs weren't allowed in the watershed. After no response from these individuals she proceeded to tell them should would notify the 5-0 if they didn't follow the rules.
Your GF had the right idea. You don't go to the crags to make friends. You're there to make a statement; to demonstrate and make a show of force. The local crags make an excellent backdrop for high drama.
Keep up the good work! Your little vignette casts a brief light on what climbing and climbers are really all about.
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weezy
climber
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:19am PT
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where in little cottonwood canyon did this sordid love rhombus happen?
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:25am PT
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first girl i've heard of that doesn't love dogs. can't say she made a favorable online impression.
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RDB
Social climber
wa
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:54am PT
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"find a new girl friend" this one is a dumb bitch in so many ways.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 17, 2013 - 03:07am PT
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I lived in SLC and poop in the watershed is a real problem. Telling them is appropriate. Now phrasing and presenting it just right is often the crux..
.Call Coz...he'll come out there and smack 'em with his purse. Harsh, but funny Dean!
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Jun 17, 2013 - 08:21am PT
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We all think we are special. We all do things we shouldn't. People love their dogs.
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Jun 17, 2013 - 11:19am PT
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Years and years ago when I was very young I lived in Hollywood. One day my GF and I were walking down the Blvd when 6 very large, very gay black men stopped and starting talking to us. One of them put his on my shoulder and said "I bet I could turn you gay".
The next thing I know my GF is screaming at the guy "GET YOUR F*#KING HANDS OFF MY BOYFRIEND YOU F*#KING NIGGER!".
I just walked away and left her ass there to answer for her crimes.
Get new GF. She clearly has no brain whatsoever.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Jun 17, 2013 - 11:29am PT
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One of them put his on my shoulder and said "I bet I could turn you gay".
wait. what exactly did he put on your shoulder?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Jun 17, 2013 - 11:36am PT
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Call the cops because a dog isn't where it supposed to be? Lmao. Given that, you should have gotten into it with the dude cuz he had words with your girl. If your girl should have started with him is besides the point... guys don't threaten girls, that is weak.
Pulling a weapon in a situation like this is a very bad idea. If you don't intend to use deadly force, don't pull a gun. And there aren't many situations that require a weapon.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jun 17, 2013 - 11:39am PT
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rock climbers getting into fight's maybe you should come over to the hockey rink! adult league has soo many fighters it gets outta hand sometimes.
p.s. fighting at crags or online is not KOOOOL!
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Jun 17, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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wait. what exactly did he put on your shoulder?
As tall as that guy was, it could have been something else...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
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Most of us think we are immortal....The bottom line is that you don't , at any cost , want to expose your self to traumatizing , psychotic behavior....If one of these encounters do escalate , try and diffuse it cause you don't know who is going to end up on the short end of a brawl which might result in a death...I dated this macho chick that thought she could get away with punching guys then one day she shows up with a black eye that some guy gave her at the bar....Live by the sword....
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
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Bad idea.
It's one thing to stand up to someone when things get out of hand and they are being aggressive and you have no other choice, but when your gf/wife is starting sh#t hoping that you will "defend her honor" it's a whole other issue.
He did the right thing. Calm things down, and get out of dodge.
There are guys out there who thrive on conflict and would love nothing more than to teach some other guy a lesson in front of his gf/wife.
The OP made the smart move. He's clearly smarter than his knuckle dragging gf.
Edited:
It's real easy to have a mouth when you don't have to back it up...
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Jun 17, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
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Isn't this the stuff these things were designed for?
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 17, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
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If others aren't doing something that directly affects you why say anything?
I say something to help them avoid getting a ticket... and I'm an as#@&%e.
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Jun 17, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
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Keep the girl, just don't take her near crags when she's PMSing, had a bad day, irritated, etc. Plus explain to her that fights means jail time for you, no matter how justified and you can't afford that.
I've mouthed off too. (Poor Bill.)
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jun 17, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
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Pay attention, Young Bulls, for in life, there is something important you need to learn. And the sooner you learn it, the longer and happier you will live. What you need to learn is:
"Choose your battles carefully."
 only choose a battle that MATTERS
only choose a battle that YOU CAN WIN
As soon as you find yourself in violation of either of the above two rules, you might as well quit, and save yourself and others a lot of heartache.
Your girlfriend violated both of the above two rules.
These fundamental rules apply to virtually everything and include disagreements with your girlfriend, boss, parents, kids, anyone and anything including internet forums.
Old Bulls - feel free to expound. Need anything more be said?
Note: If you are a Control Freak, then it will be almost impossible for you to follow the above two rules. Accordingly you will live a miserable and lonely life. However some Control Freaks are actually happy only when they are miserable.
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Jun 17, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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Dogs ain't allowed in Big or Little Cottonwood. Tell the dude he's breaking the rules and let it slide. He's gonna be told that every time he brings his dog into the canyons so time or the law will tell. As for your saucy GF, good luck with that.
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Kenygl
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
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True. It's been that way for a lot of years. If you live up canyon you can get a permit. It actually makes it kinda nice, no yuppie "forget me not, not!" poop bags left everywhere. Mill creek is dog haven. Bags o sh#t everywhere. I'm a dog guy but I don't get torked over the regs. Plenty of room elsewhere for the pooch.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
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It's real easy to have a mouth when you don't have to back it up...
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In today's world this is almost the rule. When I was a kid if you talked sh#t it was game on. Now you go to jail, so so called conflicts are largely just lip flapping and empty threats. Probably beter because fights were always very ugly and made us all feel horribly. When I was a kid I used to fight like a Comanche. I was also insane.
JL
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
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8.08.050 Animals in vehicles
It is unlawful for any person to carry or confine any animal in or upon any vehicle in a cruel or inhumane manner, including but not limited to carrying or confining such animal without adequate ventilation or for an unusual length of time.
4.2. Prohibited Acts. Except as provided in other sections of these regulations, it shall be unlawful for any person:
4.2.9. To allow a dog to enter or to take a dog into, whether loose or on a leash, the watershed area, except as allowed under part 4.3.3 of this regulation.
Would your gf have a similar reaction to someone "depositing" human excreta in the woods?
4.2.5. To deposit any human excreta within the watershed area other than into a toilet connected to a public sewer system or into a Department approved onsite wastewater disposal system or holding tank as outlined in Salt Lake Valley Health Department Regulation #13, Wastewater Disposal.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
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I remember being very angry about my younger brother's wife getting rowdy and bellicose at a pizza place with the security of several males in our little coterie two years ago..and my brother thinks he's invincible anyway after winning a local "tough man" contest put on by the fire department.
Yes, you don't know if people have guns, knives etc...and punching or getting punched by someone, can inflict death or impairment...and in no way worth having it on one's concience for a lifetime, whether in a jail room or not!
And you may regard a dog as a pest in the hills...but most dog owners view their critters as family!
It's not that difficult to be nice in an antagonistic situation...and I was real nice when I told my sister-in-law to "shut the hell up!" :-)
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Prod
Trad climber
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
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Why is it that women (generalization) lack the ability to deliver information with tact? Somehow it usually comes out catty. Why is that?
Prod.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
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crags in Florida.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 17, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
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Space Mountain's in Florida. Tallest peak in the state, if I heard right.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 17, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
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Ron...You thinking about starting a SOF...? RJ
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KP Ariza
climber
SCC
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Jun 17, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
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Gotta agree with Ron. The old "tell the teacher" line never goes over very well.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Jun 17, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
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The big mistake was talking to a dog owner.
You cannot talk to dog owners.
Cannot
It is like trying to reason with a suicide bomber, a Westboro Baptist church member, a flat earth believer, or a conspiracy theorist.
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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Jun 18, 2013 - 08:35am PT
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If you were at a Florida crag you could have legally shot him.
That, and they have those huge pythons that are apparently on the loose in Florida. It seems to me that having large, carnivorous reptiles slithering around the crags could put a serious dent in dog-created conflict at the crags.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Jun 19, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
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Dingus Milktoast
^^^^ There aren't many climbers who survive in Florida and none of them live to ripe old ages.
DMT
umwut?
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ladyscarlett
Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
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Jun 19, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
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Why is it that women (generalization) lack the ability to deliver information with tact? Somehow it usually comes out catty. Why is that?
Prod.
hehehehe, I guess it's cause you don't hear what our brains are ACTUALLY saying before we vocalize....HA!
Or perhaps it's because 'we' think you need a the verbal version of a towel snap to get you to actual listen, instead of trying to figure out what kind of underwear we are wearing that day...HAHAHA.
But as I've learned, a body's gotta be careful with using such techniques, some people don't respond too well to that kind of thing.. ;)
Sounds like the old adage remains true: The best place to be during a fight, somewhere else!
my 2p
cheers
LS
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jabbas
Trad climber
New River, AZ
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Jun 19, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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My kinda climbers !! I only took my girl "down the rope"; her own words. Screaming was directed at me only. No dogs were spotted. Other parties steered a really generous parabola about our axis.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 19, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
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Your daughters don't appear to take after you Goat!
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Jun 20, 2013 - 12:17am PT
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It is like trying to reason with a suicide bomber, a Westboro Baptist church member, a flat earth believer, or a conspiracy theorist.
That reminds of a lot of jokes, but if I repeated any of them, I would instantly alienate a vital demographic.
In the good old days of insolvency law (i.e., when I was still practicing), the IRS bankruptcy group was intelligent and helpful. The California Employment Development Department (the "EDD"), in contrast, tried to make themselves the insolvent taxpayers worst nightmare. Not surprisingly, the IRS did a better job of getting paid.
The joke was: "What's the difference between the EDD and a terrorist? A: you can reason with the terrorist."
John
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coondogger
Trad climber
NH
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Jun 20, 2013 - 07:00am PT
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Don't let someone else put your life and well-being at risk by opening their mouth at your expense.
She spoke up because she was right and blind to the consequence.
She also had a guy with her who was 6'3 205. That creates a sense of impunity.
Lots of dead people out there who suffered because of someone else's mouth.
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