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Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 16, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
Anyone else anticipating this!? Coming to San Francisco Bay this September! The boats they are sailing these days are crazy, a 72 foot catamaran that hydrofoils at 40 knots!

Capsizing these things at speed is very dangerous for the crew, last month a Brit died on their boat in a tragic accident.

I'm going to be in SF in August and plan to watch some of the qualifying races.

Check it out!
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jun 16, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
those things are to squirrely

so narrow a difference between rational sailing and reckless that the personalities of the captains and crew are obscured

rad boats but killing people sucks

their streaming so much meta data designed for broadcast
youll be standing in a sea of google glasses if you show up
curbside where those things are making their turns
mcolombo

Trad climber
Heidelberg, Germany
Jun 16, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
Andrew "Bart" Simpson, the guy who was killed I met few times sailing Stars in Europe. Good guy and really sad. Still all the guys on the boats know the risks and are pros. The teams are all very safty concisous.

It was not a capsize but an catasrophic failure of the main beam due to faulty build/design which killed him. The boats are fast and on the edge but New Zealand, Lunna Rossa, and the new Oracle seem to be at least somewhat under control. Any very high performance sailbot is scary in a bearaway.

Any time you go out on the water on any boat things can happen. I guy I used to sail for, pro skipper and multiple class world champion was lost on SF bay when the hiking rack of a test boat failed and dumped the crew in the water. One of my best friends and sailing partners was lost at sea off Hawaii. I will never forget watching them bring in the body of top Austrian Torndo Cat sailor who died in a capsize in 2002 at the Princess Sophia Regatta on Malloca.

Looking forward to the racing!!! Wish there were a few more boats. I hope Artimis gets their boat together and sails well in memory of Bart. They have been through a lot. Lots of people are giving Paul Cayard a hrd time- seems to be made a target. Still he was alwys cool to me and I am sure he is deeply saddend by the accident.

Kind of hoping for a bit scaled down maybe 60 foot version for the next go.



rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jun 16, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
drowning after your boat upends inside a harbor is particularly distressing...

their cost has really put a damper on the competition
so few clubs are involved that oracle has agreed not to practice for the weeks it takes their competitor to have another boat built

is the cost of these boats going to come down much?

if it doesnt, the design seems to have priced itself out of existance

i guess how much viewership they can sell will decide


mcolombo

Trad climber
Heidelberg, Germany
Jun 16, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
The boat did not upend it folded. "like a taco" was the description. traping Bart under tons of broken Carbon Fibre. He had air and the crew tried to get more to him. They could see him struggeling but to no avail. In a nomal capsize you have some time but this was a sudden unexpected failure of the forward main beam.

The delay is for Artimis, their second boat was already built but not rigged/finished after the accident their operations came to a stop for investigation and testing. Should be sailing soon

We will see what comes next go, depending on who wins roumours are about of scaled down less expensive 60 foot versions, or 90 foot Monos but that is pure roumour.

Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jun 16, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Woah hEAVY man...7+ ton on that foil and it be bending.


STARBOARD BOAT GETTHELLOUTTAMYWAY!!!!!




Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 10, 2013 - 12:05am PT
no much of a race, but the two first races of the Louis Vuitton Cup (to determine the challenger) have been run by a single boat... Emirates Team New Zealand... pretty amazing to see in video, I'm going to have to try to get a peak out on the bay...



Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 10, 2013 - 12:18am PT
Ive seen that Oracle beast out on the bay a time or three. Surreal looking. Have a hard time rooting for the home team because of the bobble head captain harhar.

DMT
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 10, 2013 - 12:40am PT
really disgusting what bumperstickers theyve turned polynesians into...

pardon while i hurl
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Jul 10, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
Incredible technology to see in action.

Some good background on this America's Cup series: an incredible amount of money, technology, and skill to compete. All financed by Billionaires.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/05/americas-cup-boat-crash/
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 10, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
hahaha, Billionaires, well, when I was on a team racing in Long Island Sound (instead of writing my thesis) the yachts were owned by mere Millionaires.. I lucked out and knew the son of one (who was also a graduate student in physics) a Catalina 38, a cruising version of the Sparkman & Stevens sloop designed for the Marblehead-Bermuda race (I think Ted Turner won that race in the original)...

we actually took line honors one year in the 'Round Long Island race sponsored by News Day (the local Long Island rag at that time) and came in 2nd in our class (handicapped).

When we showed up at the front gate of the Stamford Yacht Club, which was hosting the awards banquet, the gate keeper informed us (there were 5 of us stuffed into a small car) that the "help's" entrance was around the back... we told them we were there to accept our award for the race and drove on by... our table was setup quite a ways back from the "main table" and we weren't wearing the blueblazer/redbrickpants uniform, but had time anyway with another "working class crew" who'd also placed.

I don't recall the food being all that good (but it was free) and the beer was definitely pre-microbrew era pilsner...

Anyway, what's new?

The basic rule of thumb as I recall is that you "race your age" at 59 I'm to old for an AC45 (and not rich enough anyway!!).



command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jul 10, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
I want to see boats going fast,
close calls, right of way crashes,
sailors bobbing in the water like corks,
boats slashed and taking on water by AC72 razor sharp foils.

I want to see fist fights on the pier.

I want to see real sailors with their hands raised in victory!

Don't want to watch no pussy saying they are going to be safe.

There is nothing safe about sailing at 40knots on a 7 ton floating knife blade.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 10, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
been watching this crew effort a while now


vestas sailrocket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZVIj5TUSKE


sometimes it leaves the track; 52 knots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ow8QbXhZJU
command error

Trad climber
Colorado
Jul 10, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
to reach port we must sail - sometimes with the wind
and sometimes against it - but we must sail,
and not drift, nor lie at anchor
-Oliver Wendall Holmes

imagine
flying on the water
the best sailors on the planet
the fastest boats ever raced
34th Americas Cup
San Francisco Bay July-Sept 2013

http://www.americascup.com/


TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Jul 10, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
America's cup racing has always been a 'pockett book' race for the most part.

Just like the comment that two nations at war aught to pit their best single representatives, be it physical, intillectual or both, to represent their nation in a battle...
America's Cup comp really aught to be sailed in Lasers.
Either way, it will never happen, to idealistic.

Re yacht racing: that is not the name of the game or how radical advances in design and construction take place !

I do find the fact that there really is no 'home team' to root for any more a little distubing. Design, construction and even crew rosters are often a multinational organization(s).

Imagine what it would be like if China joined the game?

Posted from Marblehead Ma. ;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~

A sad PS:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/Ted Hood sailing innovator and champion yachtsman dies at 86
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Jul 10, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
Always has been a charade with more time spent in the courtroom than on the water. Great sailors, often way way outdated designs and almost always jerkass owners like Larry F*#kin Ellison that epitomizes the lot. What they should be racing are Mod70s and junk these monster machines they have developed to "their" forever changing rules and aren't safe enough to sail out the friggin Golden Gate.

Christ, I am starting to sound like Reilly on a bad day.

You want to see exciting racing you have to tune into the European scene which is light years ahead of old Americaca.
Lambone

Big Wall climber
Ashland, Or
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
God damn, break out the whambulance....
Gene

climber
Jul 10, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
May the best funded team win.

g
TrundleBum

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Jul 19, 2013 - 05:40pm PT

You said it Gene:
"Pocket Book Racing"
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 19, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
Although an avid sailor, and sailing instructor, the AC has passed away from my interest as a race, and the real basics of what racing is about, most of the time.

By that, I mean that most sailing is "one design", where everyone sails the same basic boat, the contest is between the skill of different sailors, or sailing teams.

The AC has now devolved down to who has the most money to "buy" the race. The race is also not set up fairly. Virtually all other sporting contests, world wide, have abandoned the concept of challengers vying to fight the previous champion in the finals. Think how many Nicklaus or Federer would have if they had that system. Or Armstrong.

And the Champion gets to choose a location that gives them an advantage.

But no one wants to give up an unfair advantage. What an example of sportsmanship!

How about a million dollars maximum spent on a boat? How about you can have only one boat? How about an independent body set the location?

Unfair competitions that are not competitive, turn people off. They've destroyed this competition, and I doubt that it will be revived.
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