little Z
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un cafetal en Naranjo
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 13, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
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what are we fighting for? US to provide military support to Syria
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Ron Anderson
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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
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Yep, just put that on another thread or two.
And we are backing RADICAL islamic groups -- arent those the same that bomb us? Hellloooo?????
What a cluster f*ck VietNam in the sand #6 coming up..
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rSin
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calif
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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mabe if we hadnt turned jordan and turkey and saudi arabia and isreal and lebanon into clients
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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What could possibly go wrong?
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Ron Anderson
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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
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smart money will shift to chemical suit company's PRONTO!
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Charlie D.
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Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
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A ghost of wars past, a cold war by proxy.
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rSin
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calif
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
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every death is syria for the last two years
is the product of US invest in national security
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
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Toll yall when it comes to matters military the new boss is the same as the old boss.
But make no mistake this is another example of quid pro quo U.S. doing another country's dirty work under threat of 'regional conflagration'.
DMT
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Ron Anderson
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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
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i got five bukks that says five years from now we will be fighting those we are now helping.!
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coz
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Belmont
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
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Arming terrorist, hmm, seems like a nice political face saving measure....
We've made this mistake before...
Dr F and Joe, have know idea what you're talking about DMT.
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rSin
Trad climber
calif
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
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dont make we post the picture of our friends body handing from that bridge
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 13, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
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I wonder if anybody in the State Dept has read The Arab Mind.
The history of the last few decades suggests they have not.
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nutjob
Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
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Jun 13, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
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We have always been at war with Oceania.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jun 13, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
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Job security for future defense companies.
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rSin
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calif
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Jun 13, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
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war is peace eh?
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Dingus Milktoast
Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
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Jun 13, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
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"Trust, but bomb them anyway."
DMT
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rSin
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calif
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Jun 13, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
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wonder whos local interest group wins after that?
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rSin
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calif
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Jun 14, 2013 - 11:11am PT
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MOSCOW—The Kremlin Friday dismissed as unconvincing evidence that U.S. officials provided of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons and criticized Washington's decision to arm Syrian opposition fighters, but stopped short of threatening to deliver air-defense missiles to the Assad government in response.
A senior Kremlin official said Moscow is "not yet" discussing the delivery of the advanced air-defense system in the wake of the U.S. decision. Last month, Russian officials threatened to fulfill the 2010 contract for the S-300 missiles as a way to deter potential outside military intervention in the two-year-old Syrian civil war. Western powers and Israel have staunchly opposed the sale of the system.
Both Moscow and the U.S. are pushing the warring sides in Syria to enter peace talks in the coming months. But opposition forces have appealed for more weapons and support in recent weeks as they've lost ground against Mr. Assad's troops and their allies from the Iranian-backed Hezbollah group. The Kremlin opposes any international action against its longtime client, Mr. Assad, and has been skeptical of past Western claims that his forces were using chemical weapons.
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.Thursday, President Barack Obama authorized the U.S. administration to arm fighters against the Assad regime, reversing a long-running policy of giving only nonlethal support to the country's opposition. The White House cited confirmation that Mr. Assad's regime had killed up to 150 people with chemical weapons as the reason for its about-face.
Russian officials say the evidence isn't rock solid. "I want to confirm that we had a meeting with American representatives in which Americans tried to present information to us about the regime's use of chemical weapons, but frankly speaking, the evidence Americans set out looks unconvincing," Yuri Ushakov, the Kremlin's top foreign-policy aide, said Friday, according to Russian news agencies.
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..Mr. Ushakov cited the flawed intelligence assessment from the administration of former President George W. Bush about weapons of mass destruction in the run-up to the Iraq war but said he didn't want to "draw any parallels."
Other Russian officials were more direct. "The data on Assad's use of chemical weapons is fabricated just like the lies about weapons of [Saddam] Hussein's weapons of mass destruction," read a tweet on the feed of Alexei Pushkov, chairman of the Russian parliament's international relations committee. "Obama is going down the path of G. Bush."
Ben Rhodes, the White House Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications, said the conclusion that Mr. Assad's regime has wielded chemical weapons was based on physical samples taken from Syria. He said the U.S. relied on "multiple, independent streams of information" and has "high confidence" in the assessment. He cited four dates and locations during which the U.S. thinks Mr. Assad's regime employed chemical weapons.
Mr. Ushakov, who long served as the Russian ambassador to the U.S., said any extension of the White House's support for Syria's opposition fighters won't help a joint effort by the U.S. and Russia to bring the bloody conflict's opposing sides to the negotiating table.
Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said the move suggests U.S. efforts to bring the opposition to the peace talks had stalled. He said pumping arms into Syria will increase "the level of armed confrontation and violence against civilians" and reiterated Russia's commitment to a peaceful resolution to the conflict.
The U.S.'s decision to arm Syria's opposition fighters could change the balance of power on the ground in the war-torn country, where Mr. Assad's troops recently have been gaining an edge over beleaguered opposition fighters. U.S. officials have stressed that Mr. Assad, backed by Hezbollah, has been making gains more than two years into a violent conflict that has left more than 90,000 people dead, according to United Nations figures.
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A Free Syrian Army fighter wearing a gas mask carries his weapons as he walks past a damaged tank near Idlib, Syria.
.The U.S. move comes ahead of a high-stakes meeting between Mr. Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the G-8 summit in Northern Ireland that starts on June 17. Syria will be at the top of the agenda for the sidelines meeting.
The Syrian regime is a longtime Kremlin ally dating back to the days of the Cold War. Mr. Putin has opposed outside military intervention in the Syrian conflict, and Russia has joined China in vetoing three UN resolutions that were aimed at forcing Mr. Assad to step down.
Mr. Ushakov stressed that the U.S. and Russia aren't "competing on Syria," and are trying to find a constructive way to solve the problem in the region.
Syria's government signed a contract in 2010 to buy four S-300 batteries with 144 missiles for $900 million, and the first deliveries were scheduled to start in summer 2013. The weapons could change the power dynamic in the Middle East and help the Assad regime prevent the sort of military campaign Western governments organized to aid rebels fighting Col. Moammar Gadhafi in Libya
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jun 14, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
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Well we know that you can trust everything a Russian official has to say.
& we know that you can trust anything & everything a U.S. official has to say.
What -- not to worry your pretty little heads over.
Every little things going to be OK.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Jun 14, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
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This war is all about :
1-Isreail securing the area and making sure Syria does not get any advance military hardware
2-Stop the supply of military hardware in/out of Lebanon
3-Stop Iranians hands from supplying Hezbollah in case Israeli plan to attack Iran
4- take over Syrian little oil supply
5-Stop Russian from having access to military bases in area
6-Securing an oil line from Saudi Arabia to Europe
7-Stopping Iranian from running similar oil line from Iran via Iraq to Europe by by-passing Persian gulf current shipping methods
8-And bunch of other middle eastern sh#t too complicated for you guys to understand
Do not forget that Turkey is next
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