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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
That's, at least, sympathizing with the enemy, and at worst, sedition during wartime.

Well, the U.S. is not at war, for starters. So the death penalty is off the table imo. That's the price for Congressional dereliction of duty.

I have a big problem with the lack of a declaration, the curtailing if not outright suspension of the 4th amendment, kidnapping, torture, civil spying apparatus...

Taken as part of the greater whole? It seems as though Bin Laden was quite successful at killing what was left of American democracy.

Behold Citizen... EMPIRE.

DMT
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
Patrick

In this so called democratic society he's considered a traitor.

But .... !!!

Sometimes one has to become a traitor against your own society to reveal the truth.

The intelligent class will understand.

The unintelligent class will not understand.

At this point in time Snowden has become the distraction to the real issues.

Hedge believes his govt. will save him from whatever he believes.

A lot of others do not see in that light.

It takes good intelligence to see thru the whole thing not just the surface that the general media is portraying
as Hedge is being their lapdog, lapping it all up . ....


WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
I would never NEVER turn on my own country. NEVER.


You do it all the time unknowingly by supporting it's nefarious actions against humanity.

The United States of America does not stand for nefarious actions against humanity.

The Untied States of America has lost it's way and thus you Hedge are a traitor for unknowingly supporting it's inhumane actions.

Better start that digging ....
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
Out of all the tens of thousands of contractors with the same clearance Snowden had, he's the only one with a conscience?

This is your argument of proof - that there are people willing to forgo conscience for a paycheck?

Might shock you that every war crime tribunal parades hundreds of people though the courthouse doors who were "only doing their job". Working for a paycheck does not make it right.
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
A lot of people are speaking out from the govt. and have been.

But you're way too stupid to see that since you only gobble up The Huffington Post bullshit .....

You're a completely brainwashed politard .....
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
hedge,

now focus. russia is not communist anymore. (you are starting to sound like a teabagger).

also, russia needs little help from snowden in catching spies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/14/russia-expel-us-diplomat-ryan-fogle

Ryan Fogle, the third secretary at the US embassy in Moscow, was paraded in footage aired on state-run television after being detained late on Monday night by officers from the Federal Security Service (FSB), a successor to the Soviet-era KGB.

He stands accused of being a CIA spy and was declared persona non grata by the foreign ministry on Tuesday .

"A classic spy arsenal was discovered, as well as a large sum of money that doesn't just expose a foreign agent caught red-handed, but also raises serious questions for the American side," the ministry said. "Such provocative actions in the spirit of the cold war in no way help to strengthen mutual trust."

this was back in May, barely two months ago.

now focus again....

NSA deals in cyber intelligence. if snowden does know about spy networks and names of spies, then the USA has a bigger problem than him. rule # 1 in the top secret game is only tell people who needs ot know. we should ahve figured that out with wikileaks. and if we havent, then we are not learning.
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
Hawkeye

Hedge is just plain stupid politard.

He doesn't have a clue WTF he's talking about.

He's the fox news equivalent of knowledge.

He's a wing nut pretending he's a patriot.

All the signs are there .....
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
werner,

politicians love guys like hedge. they are spoon feedable.
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
You compromise deep cover op-sec, you get people killed.


You jack azz the CIA and your fuked up intelligence agencies has been killing millions of people for years.

You're deluded and it shows .....
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
He's your hero Joe not ours.

You're the one who has the huge hard on for him ......
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 10:47pm PT
"also, russia needs little help from snowden in catching spies."


So, you want them to be caught? Apparently you do.

You are a traitor. Thanks for reasserting yourself, as#@&%e.

that dude caught by russia back in may was a pathetic spy. an embarrassment. see the wig on his head?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
What did Snowden reveal that puts people in harms way? I thought he released some power point slides about a massive NSA internal eavesdropping system, designed specifically to spy on U.S. citizens inside the country.

So I guess he must have revealed something else I haven't heard about - what is it?

News stories based on documents disclosed by Snowden were as follows:

On June 5, The Guardian released a top secret order of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) that ordered a business division of Verizon Communications to provide "on an ongoing daily basis" metadata for all telephone calls "wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls" and all calls made "between the United States and abroad."[23]
On June 6, The Guardian and The Washington Post revealed the existence of PRISM, a clandestine electronic surveillance program that allegedly allows the NSA to access e-mail, web searches, and other Internet traffic in realtime.[24][25]
On June 9, The Guardian revealed Boundless Informant, a system that "details and even maps by country the voluminous amount of information [the NSA] collects from computer and telephone networks."
On June 12, the South China Morning Post disclosed that the NSA has been hacking into computers in China and Hong Kong since 2009.[26]
On June 17, The Guardian reported that the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), a British intelligence agency, had intercepted foreign politicians' communications at the 2009 G-20 London Summit.[27]
On June 20, The Guardian revealed two secret documents, signed by Attorney General Eric Holder, describing the rules by which the NSA determines whether targets of investigations are foreign or domestic.[28]
On June 21, The Guardian made further disclosures about 'Tempora,' an 18-month-old British operation by GCHQ to intercept and store mass quantities of fiber-optic traffic.[29]
On June 23, the South China Morning Post reported that Snowden had said the NSA had hacked Chinese mobile-phone companies to collect millions of text messages and had also hacked Tsinghua University in Beijing and the Asian fiber-optic network operator Pacnet. The newspaper said Snowden provided documents that listed details of specific episodes during a four-year period.[30][31] According to Glenn Greenwald, "What motivated that leak though was a need to ingratiate himself to the people of Hong Kong and China."[32]
On June 25, Greenwald reported Snowden claims that he had sent files with NSA secrets to associates as insurance for his personal safety, that their contents would be revealed should something untoward happen to him.[32]
On June 29, Der Spiegel reported that the NSA had planted bugs in EU offices in Washington, New York, and Brussels, and had infiltrated their computer networks, according to documents provided by Snowden.[33][34] One method of bugging encrypted fax machines in an EU embassy is mentioned by the codename "Dropmire", The Guardian reported June 30.[35]

Or is it merely his threat that he has more?

DMT
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.

i agree, but....
go check out Dr F's thread on Republicans. the libtards over there done drunk the water. informed? lol not likely.
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
What did Snowden reveal that puts people in harms way?

It's simple.

The leaks caused hedge to have to build a bunker in LA.

He's pissed because he has to do some real digging now.

Hard manual labor is not his shtick .......
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
Every post I make in this thread has a hidden encrypted code that NSA has to spend 108 years to decrypt.

By the end of that time they will get the message .......
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:49am PT
Hey Dickwad

I would never NEVER turn on my own country. NEVER.


Supporting some Communist Russian General who's praising a traitor who gave them terabytes of our national security op-sec, compromising God knows how many operatives out in the field? So he could tell us stuff that we already knew the SC and the Patriot Act authorized?

If you were an operative in the field right now, would you be quoting Russian generals about what a hero Snowden is? Or would you be wondering how much about you he told them?

And you clowns support that garbage.


Absolutely sickening.



Joe Hedge,

Sickening?
Here's sickening:

Can you please specify the content of the terabytes of "our national security op-sec" you are building your 'arguments' upon?
Oh, and specify the operatives in the field who have been compromised?

Rather than regaling us with the fabrications of your imagination ... in which anything and everything is possible, can you please make some time to land on planet earth (even if it's in mother Russia)?
Maybe quote some facts so your arguments have some relevance to reality?

For someone who is constantly extolling the virtues of facts you are an embarrassment to your own values and ideals.
The fantasy of generic slop that you have managed to so easily talk yourself into swallowing in the absence of any factual basis has a name: DELUSIONAL.

Is the delusion's main function to provide a matrix for the maudlin patriotic melodramatic bits? Please tell me you don't actually believe your own tripe ... it's embarrassing.
If on the other hand you are seeking to carve out a name as a troll, this stuff is as lame as it gets.





One great benefit of Snowden's leaks is the opportunity for us to focus our paranoia and marvel in its variety.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:35am PT
And he is now in Russia ...
And he is broadcasting bullshit propaganda against the democratically elected president of the United States from the confines of said totalitarian country - he also made a pit stop in communist china ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/26/us/russia-told-us-bomb-suspect-was-radical-islamist.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

Russia’s Warning on Bombings Suspect Sets Off a Debate

WASHINGTON — In March 2011, the Russian security service sent a stark warning to the F.B.I., reporting that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was “a follower of radical Islam” who had “changed drastically since 2010” and was preparing to travel to Russia’s turbulent Caucasus to connect with underground militant groups. Six months later, Russia sent the same warning to the C.I.A.



“You have Russian intelligence services contacting two agencies within our federal government responsible for our national security, the F.B.I. and the C.I.A.,” he said. “They tell us, ‘We believe you have a radical Islamist in your midst.’ ” Despite the warning and the F.B.I.’s initial follow-up, Mr. Graham said, Mr. Tsarnaev was able to visit Dagestan and return unnoticed, and discuss “killing Americans” openly on the Internet undetected.





Yet the US government needs to spy on all US citizens.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:40am PT
Tell us specifically what Snowden has and whom exactly it puts at risk Riley Wyna.
I admire your and Joe Hedge's investigative journalism and journalistic ethics.

Break your news story to the world.


Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:25am PT
Joe, you resemble a cat chasing it's tail and running in circles.
It at least had the merit of being interesting to watch for the first few revolutions. Now you're just a tiresome distraction.

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jul 2, 2013 - 02:35am PT
In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.

Nice desperate attempt at a (probably) final hail Mary.

Curt


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