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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Jun 30, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
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jghedge - if you have nothing to hide or worth ripping off leave your doors open tonight. Show some faith in your fellow opportunistic criminals.
And btw what are your passwords? Nothing to hide right? Lets check out all your online activity. If its anything like your ST rants anyone who is curious will quickly lose interest. Sorry.
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froodish
Social climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 30, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
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A few things I believe...
Once you grant powers to the executive branch and the industrial/military/intelligence complex you'll have a damnable time wresting it from them.
The scope of surveillance programs grows beyond what was originally intended. Always has, always will.
The industrial/military/intelligence complex will demonize anyone who threatens their power/gravy train.
Terrorists are not an existential threat to the United States. OTOH, dismantling the constitution in the name of "safety" is.
To all of you who are fine with this surveillance, why are you not fine with opening the topic up for discussion? Open up the FISA court decisions for all to see and let's have a true discussion amongst the American public about it. We presumably still live in a democracy don't we?
Also, Daniel Ellsberg backs Snowden, and even if I didn't know anything else about this affair, that'd probably be good enough for me.
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 30, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
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since we are now focusing on "facts."
here are a few facts for those 2+2=5 types, who get all their facts from on and off the record government sources, to ponder...
regarding the nsa's shiny new data center in utah:
1. "They would have plenty of space with five zettabytes to store at least something on the order of 100 years worth of the worldwide communications, phones and emails ... and then have plenty of space left over to do any kind of parallel processing to try to break codes."
2. "NSA does provide some measure of the computing power at its new data farm in Utah. It requires 65 megawatts of power, enough for 65,000 homes. It also has its own power substation."
3. and because this isn't enough computing power and storage to process the "metadata" that they are "legally" collecting: "Last month, the agency broke ground on its next data farm at its headquarters at Ft. Meade, Md. But that facility will be only two-thirds the size of the mega-complex in Utah."
seriously a few of you should try breaking away from government sourced "facts" for just a second. start by asking yourself why is it that the obama gov't has deemed it necessary to charge eight people with treason during obama's five year tenure when the number charged during the previous 91 years of the laws existence totalled three? then ask yourself if the director of national intelligence, james clapper, was just lying on the record to congress why on earth would you believe what off the record government sources are feeding the media?
those of you stuck on the official narrative are sounding a lot like leb in the days of bush sanctioned torture, failure to find wmd in in iraq, etc.
but as a now semi-famous anchorman once put it:
keep on f*#kin' that chicken.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 30, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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But Snowden's leaks are supposed to be gov't sourced facts too, correct? Just unauthorized.
This shows the absurd lengths you'll reach for in order to support your argument.
Yes, everything is a lie from the gov't, even the 'facts' that Snowden gave us.
Wow, what a tremendous vote of support for the gov't that statement ends up being. Surely since every single thing you hear from them is a lie, then they must being doing it all for the good of We The People. So why should we oppose them?
Pretty lame line of reasoning, IMO.
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WBraun
climber
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The white washer neocon and political Zionist shill and hypocrite Hedge tells everyone they know nothing because he himself knows absolutely nothing.
Therefore the projecting Hedge who knows absolutely nothing assumes everyone else knows nothing except only what Hedge knows.
Hedge brings the stupidest arguments every presented.
You should be working in Washington DC .....
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Hawkeye is wrong when it comes to Healyje. Healyje has a clear mind.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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healys mind is polluted when it comes to politics or bolts.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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No, it isn't.
You know the pattern... we can carry on... just repeat...
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Snowden has requested asylum in Russia: http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/311773.html Obviously not his first choice of destinations. It seems like the US cancelled his passport while he was in the Moscow airport, so he couldn't travel anymore, and Russia became his only option.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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^^^lol
somewhere i am sure its written down for those pondering this course of action.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Another Russian official was even more biting and contemptuous of President Obama: “I join the opinion that we by no means should expel him. I think Snowden is a great pacifist. This man has done no less to get the Nobel Peace Prize than U.S. President Barack Obama.”
hedge, your reading comprehension is non-existent. i did no such thing.
but you have to admit there is merit in what he SAID. but i forgot about your brain bandwidth issue....
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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hedge, the heat must be short circuiting your left brain cell to the one on the right.
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WBraun
climber
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The thing is Putin in Russia is he's in Charge!
The thing in America is Obama is not charge.
He's pussy whupped by corporations, Wall Street, Bankers, Israel lobbyists.
The Jack ass is only orator.
He needs to get an iron fist.
Like him or not Putin can kick azz.
We got a lame azz president just like Hedge.
Lame azz President O bomer allows blackmailing everyone using NSA info illegally gained.
Jack azz Hedge supports this crap.
This crap has been known for years and is nothing new at all except now people are starting to understand it.
The gig is becoming up and those azzholes are getting nervous.
July 4th weekend is supposed to have a black ops Nuke in LA go off.
Joe start digging a bunker.
We don't want to lose you ....... :-)
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WBraun
climber
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I just told you now and thus you are now guilty.
There's no escape Joe.
Start digging the bunker ..... :-)
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WBraun
climber
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Snowden had to get out of the country.
They would have killed him here.
What he did is broke the law so he had to run.
There's no alternative for him.
Whistle blowers can get killed easily or jailed permanently.
What do expect him to do Joe.
They would destroy him here.
He has no chance except to run ....
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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As was the support of turncoat repub traitors who'd rather express love for Communist Russia than admit to being wrong.
joe, your an idiot. just because i agree with a russian general on a minor point doesnt mean i am expressing love for communist russia. especially since its a "federation" not communist. look up in your reliable cia world fact book. if you might recall, the iron communist curtain came crashing down around their ears.
nor am i a repub. nor a traitor.
you really are giving those two brain cells of yours a work-out today arent you?
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WBraun
climber
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Joe c'mon man
You know there's no one in the US Congress he could actually trust right now to actually protect him.
You're pretty naive.
It would have been far to dangerous.
He knew he had to get out.
Anyways he's not important at this stage but a distraction.
The important stuff is really being buried under the distraction of "Snowden"
Start digging Joe.
We don't want to lose you this weekend .... :-)
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Agreeing with a Communist Russian General in his praise of an American traitor who leaked national security op-sec to (and defected to) Russia.
so joe,
perhaps you would like to tell us what great things obama did to earn the Nobel Peace Prize?
edit:
I see what you did here :-)
me too. thats his violent braincell at work
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