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Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Jun 22, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
What facility?
link please
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Jun 22, 2013 - 08:08pm PT

The Terror Con
Brought to us by the Neo-Cons

by Robert Scheer
Published on Tuesday, June 18, 2013 by Truthdig


For defense contractors, the government officials who write them mega checks, and the hawks in the media who cheer them on, the name of the game is threat inflation. And no one has been better at it than the folks at Booz Allen Hamilton, the inventors of the new boondoggle called cyber warfare.

That’s the company, under contract with the National Security Agency, that employed whistle-blower Edward Snowden, the information security engineer whose revelation of Booz Allen’s enormously profitable and pervasive spying on Americans now threatens the firm’s profitability and that of its parent hedge fund, the Carlyle Group.

Booz Allen, whose top personnel served in key positions at the NSA and vice versa after the inconvenient collapse of the Cold War, has been attempting to substitute terrorist for communist as the enemy of choice. A difficult switch indeed for the military-industrial complex about which Dwight Eisenhower, the general-turned-president, had so eloquently warned us.

But just when the good times for war profiteers seemed to be forever in the past, there came 9/11 and the terrorist enemy, the gift that keeps on giving, for acts of terror always will occur in a less than perfect world, serving as an ideal excuse for squandering resources, as well as our freedoms.

Just ask New York Times columnists Thomas Friedman, David Brooks and Bill Keller. Rising to the defense of NSA snooping on a scale never before imagined in human history, they warn us that if there was a second 9/11-type attack, we would lose all of our civil liberties, so we should be grateful for this trade-off.

“I believe that if there is one more 9/11—or worse, an attack involving nuclear material—it could lead to the end of the open society as we know it,” Friedman wrote in his June 11 column.

No nation in history has ever possessed such an imbalance of military superiority and the ability to ward off foreign threats without sacrificing its core values. Never has this country been as vulnerable to foreign attacks as when the founders approved our Constitution with its Fourth Amendment and other protections of individual sovereignty against an intrusive government. They did so out of the conviction that individual freedom makes us stronger rather than weaker as a nation. In short, they trusted in the essential wisdom of the people as opposed to the pundits who deride it.

Defending Friedman’s column, Keller wrote Sunday:

“Tom’s important point was that the gravest threat to our civil liberties is not the NSA but another 9/11-scale catastrophe that could leave a panicky public willing to ratchet up the security state, even beyond the war-on-terror excesses that followed the last big attack.”

So it’s the panicky public’s fault and not the ill-informed work of establishment journalists like Friedman, who led the charge to war with Iraq based on phony claims about terrorism.

Once again, Friedman has a misplaced faith in the work of the intelligence community. The NSA snooping was quite extensive before 9/11 and certainly in full force prior to the Boston Marathon attack, but did not prevent either event. Indeed, our much-vaunted spy agencies still have not come up with an explanation of how 19 hijackers, 15 from our ally Saudi Arabia, managed to legally enter this country and learn flying skills while under our government’s watch.

Nor have those intelligence agencies explained why the only three countries that recognized the Taliban government sponsors of al-Qaida were that same Saudi Arabia as well as our other friends in Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates. For information on the UAE connection, the NSA might check with its buddies at Booz Allen Hamilton.

As The New York Times reported Saturday: “When the United Arab Emirates wanted to create its own version of the National Security Agency, it turned to Booz Allen Hamilton to replicate the world’s largest and most powerful spy agency in the sands of Abu Dhabi. It was a natural choice: The chief architect of Booz Allen’s cyber strategy is Mike McConnell, who once led the NSA and pushed the United States into a new era of big data espionage. It was Mr. McConnell who won the blessing of the American intelligence agencies to bolster the Persian Gulf sheikdom, which helps track the Iranians.”

Tracking the Iranians, you say? But they’re not the enemies who attacked us on 9/11, and indeed they are Shiites, who were implacably hostile to the Sunni fanatics of al-Qaida. The reasoning makes sense only if you follow the money that the UAE can pay. “They are teaching everything,” one Arab official told The New York Times about Booz Allen’s staffers. “Data mining, web surveillance, all sorts of digital intelligence collection.”

How great. Now, it’s not just the government we elect but also those everywhere, even in desert emirates, that can mine our data.

“The NSA data mining,” Keller assures us, “is part of something much larger. On many fronts, we are adjusting to life in a surveillance state, relinquishing bits of privacy in exchange for the promise of other rewards.”

Behold McConnell. While director of national intelligence from 2007-09, he did much to inflate the threat of cyberterrorism; he then returned to the private sector and was rewarded with $4.1 million his first year back at Booz Allen, solving the problem he had hyped while heading the NSA. There’s a guy who knows how to play the game.

Mountain climber
Jun 22, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Dr. F - http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/ in Bluffdale, UT.


Jun 22, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
"Are you really ok with that?"

"Only an out and out Fascist, Communist or some other form of totalitarian would be."

I'm a liberal, and we'll have total control of the US federal gov't pretty soon, just like we do in CA now, and like we already do in, literally, every other developed, industrialized democracy on earth. None of that intel is going to be used against me. It'll be used to further political agendas I support.

The likeliest domestic uses of it I see are to aid in identifying Gun Nuts, so we can confiscate their guns, and to help prevent domestic terrorism (same thing).

Don't like it? Then do what I did - work to get people elected who agree with you. That's what I did, and it worked. Dr Ruiz beat Mary Bono Mack, and now represents Palm Springs and Coachella.

Or, better yet - just leave. Or, even better, just move into some Gun Nut compound, and wait for the Apaches to come and blow you to Hell.

We'll start a nice thread about what a great guy you were while they're cleaning up what's left of you and your guns



Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 22, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
TGT: This facility was built completely under King Barry's reign. He didn't stop it did he?

This is a BushCo facility and Obama had no power to stop its construction other than not signing intelligence appropriation bills. We've been over all this ground already.

NWO: Why do you hate America, Joe? North Korea will gladly take you in.

Dude, you have such a weak grasp on what America, Communism, and Fascism 'are' that you probably shouldn't get in over your head with North Korea. I will say, however, I'm beginning to detect a few similarities between you and Kim Jong-un (other than the fact Jong-un is clearly better educated).
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 23, 2013 - 07:06am PT
Snowden is apparently in Mother Russia now, destination unclear.

All thing being equal, I don't think it was wise for the man to stay on U.S. soil and stand his ground.

But he will be hunted for a long time and the list of safe places isn't really big. I hope he likes the cold cause I don't think any of the warm places on that list are really safe for him.

Will he ever leave Russia again?

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Jun 23, 2013 - 08:19am PT
So there is No center in Colorado,
nor was it built exclusively under the Obama regime, like TGT claimed
WRONG AGAIN, as always
100% wrong about absolutely everything
How do you make it through a single day without damaging yourself or others?

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 23, 2013 - 08:36am PT
So do you support the security state and the collection of a dossier of every American's digital life?

A simple yes or no will do.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jun 23, 2013 - 08:40am PT
^^^^^ No, I do not.

Now I have a simple question for you - did you support the Patriot Act. A simple yes or no, please...

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Jun 23, 2013 - 08:45am PT
No, I do not support the Bush NSA surveillance program
And I do not support the Patriot Act

TGT, why do all the Republicans support it, are you going to vote for Dems for now on, so they can vote to stop it???
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 23, 2013 - 08:51am PT

Gold Canyon, AZ
Jun 23, 2013 - 09:06am PT
Snowden is apparently in Mother Russia now...

Of course--where all true blue American patriots and whistle blowers go.

new world order2

Jun 23, 2013 - 09:07am PT
So do you support the security state and the collection of a dossier of every American's digital life?

healyje surely does. The guy oozes everything Communism stands for.

Hola healyje! How are your teeth? Missing the fluoride? You do know fluoride is an ingredient in Prozac? Best get some.

Jun 23, 2013 - 09:09am PT


Did Iran and North Korea not want him?

Some "hero", eh?

Talk about "oozing everything Communism stands for" - your boy might as well have the hammer and sickle tattooed on his forehead.

new world order2

Jun 23, 2013 - 09:20am PT
your boy might as well have the hammer and sickle tattooed on his forehead.

Stupid says, as stupid does.

Jun 23, 2013 - 09:27am PT

"Stupid says, as stupid does."

Hahahaha, agreed. You might have checked the news before you posted that idiotic "everything communism stands for" comment - always funny when a wingnut has the facts blow up in their face.
new world order2

Jun 23, 2013 - 09:36am PT
healyje and hedge: Communists in America.

Hmmm....a documentary in the making?

So?! Who's the dom? NTTAWWT.

Jun 23, 2013 - 09:39am PT

"healyje and hedge: Communists in America."

Hahahaha, your hero just defected to friggin' CUBA, and you're calling us communists?

Looked in the mirror lately?


Jun 23, 2013 - 09:47am PT


House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) said Sunday that Edward Snowden's recent actions defy logic, reacting to reports that Snowden has fled to Russia and may soon move to Cuba or Venezuela.

"When you look at it, every one of these nations is hostile to the United States," Rogers said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"If he could go to North Korea and Iran, he could round out his 'government oppression tour.' So when you think about what he says he wants and what his actions are, it defies logic."

Good grief - how embarrassing is this getting for those who idiotically chose to support Snowden

Unless, of course, you actually advocate treason - then you're probably feeling pretty good right now

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jun 23, 2013 - 10:53am PT
TGT is always wrong about everything.
You can set your clock by his wrongness.
I just can't stand these schizoid right wing cult members anymore .
Maybe I'm a bad guy but after 13 year of debate I have no use for religious fruit cakes or right wing cult members.
These as#@&%es have f*#ked up every debate and every topic we have ever had in ST.
Instead of learning more about a topic ourselves we spend valuable time fending off wing -nut fantasy and deeply programmed cult propaganda.
These poor people were indoctrinated as children and taught what to think not how to think and we pay the price for it with horrible policy and having to deal with an army of idiots that can be controlled by corporate or government propaganda.
Religion really is the saddest thing ever - it is almost always the source of this disease.

I hope most if the folks who supported this crack pot Snowdowm are now starting to see him for what he really is -a very poorly educated megalomaniac narcissist with visions of grandeur and thought processes not anymore vested in reality than our local Klimmer types and NW order types.
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