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WBraun

climber
Jun 24, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
Zero Dark Thirty

What pure bullsh!t movie.

Hedge you're a tin foil hatter ....
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jun 24, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
The pattern:

"In the immediate aftermath of the atomic bomb, the allied occupation authorities banned all mention of radiation poisoning and insisted that people had been killed or injured only by the bomb's blast. It was the first big lie. "No radioactivity in Hiroshima ruin" said the front page of the New York Times, a classic of disinformation and journalistic abdication, which the Australian reporter Wilfred Burchett put right with his scoop of the century. "I write this as a warning to the world," reported Burchett in the Daily Express, having reached Hiroshima after a perilous journey, the first correspondent to dare. He described hospital wards filled with people with no visible injuries but who were dying from what he called "an atomic plague". For telling this truth, his press accreditation was withdrawn, he was pilloried and smeared - and vindicated."
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jun 24, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
Zero Dark Thirty

What pure bullsh!t movie.

Right. Like you were there. pffft.

Curt
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Jun 24, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
The pattern:

"In the immediate aftermath of the atomic bomb, the allied occupation authorities banned all mention of radiation poisoning and insisted that people had been killed or injured only by the bomb's blast. It was the first big lie. "No radioactivity in Hiroshima ruin" said the front page of the New York Times, a classic of disinformation and journalistic abdication, which the Australian reporter Wilfred Burchett put right with his scoop of the century. "I write this as a warning to the world," reported Burchett in the Daily Express, having reached Hiroshima after a perilous journey, the first correspondent to dare. He described hospital wards filled with people with no visible injuries but who were dying from what he called "an atomic plague". For telling this truth, his press accreditation was withdrawn, he was pilloried and smeared - and vindicated."

Great post!

It is sad how soon we as a society forget the past. There is little new under the sun, and the pattern repeats. It is transparent if you really look, but it is always easier to believe the lie and go along with the crowd... Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jun 24, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
Well there's Cotopaxi, Sangay, indigenous people living in the amazon and overall, a natural environment, but I think after about 6 months I'd want to go home. What's he going to do for a living, live off wikileaks donations?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jun 24, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
'Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that the leaker seeks aid and asylum from countrys [sic] far more oppressive of their citzens [sic] freedom than the USA'


Nope.

Joe, it's nice being on the same side for once.

John
blowersattms

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Jun 24, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
Ironic, just maybe, but hey, all it means is that he's gone to countries outside our reach. Crikey, wouldn't you? It's not like he supports their ideologies, jeez! Listen to his interview. Ends and means, what!
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Let's be excruciatingly clear - every aspect of this program was put in place by BushCo and if you voted for them, you voted for the Patriot Act. If you voted for them, you voted for NSA Bluffdale and all it entails.

its amazing that the libtards have thier head so far up obamas ass that they can't smell the sh#t. you guys really think his sh#t is better than W's?

if BO wanted to stop this he would have had Holder write a different opinion up.

no wonders this countrys so f*#ked up. you libtards on this site are as bad as teabaggers and just as brainless.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
if BO wanted to stop this he would have had Holder write a different opinion up.

So, you believe that after Congress authorized (and reauthorized) this surveillance and the Supreme Court upheld the legality of this surveillance, all that would be needed to stop it would be a simple opinion letter by the Attorney General? Please do explain exactly how that would work. Thanks.

Curt
abrams

Sport climber
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
The Russians and still mad about Obama's CIA spy caught with the wig there last month.

So Putin is twirling our limp piece of spagettii in the oval office for all he's worth and catching style points from around the world.

And contrary to libtard thinking it is not good when the whole world is smiling at our apparent weakness to get Snowden back.

Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:17pm PT
your the lawyer curt. tell us how it was the supreme court? my understanding was that it was FISA.

or are you saying that obama had no choice and lied during his initial campaign for POTUS, but thats OK with you since his sh#t dont stink?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
So, you believe that after Congress authorized (and reauthorized) this surveillance and the Supreme Court upheld the legality of this surveillance, all that would be needed to stop it would be a simple opinion letter by the Attorney General? Please do explain exactly how that would work.

It would work because Obama is not a president, he is a king.

I've seen pictures of him wearing a crown on this very site.

It's like this:



What is going on here?

Why is the atheist man so upset with the negro man?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
BUSHCO was by far NOT the first to "extend" executive powers.. But they DID take it to new levels-check.. Obama then took those levels and added to them- check. NDAA2013 was passed. It will take you over an hour to breeze through the titles alone. In there is all manner of they can do /spy wherever/whatever/howevers..

We need to get those CHANGED in many ways. On ThAT I AGREE 100%.

However, any effort to change them must be done in such a way as to deal with it OURSELVES, not through some foreign concerns of any damm type. Snottfacesnowden in his actions proved he is JUST another spy for sale. He runs to countries with the exact opposite politics, and freedom levels to "help" ? Help Who? The Chinese GOVT-check.. Not you, not me, and not our freedom levels. THOSE ARE up to you and me.

Snottface can suck a scud missile for all i care, and smell ya later, traitor...
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
your the lawyer curt. tell us how it was the supreme court? my understanding was that it was FISA.

Your understanding just isn't very good--on multiple points.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/13164-supreme-court-allows-nsas-warrantless-wiretapping-to-continue

Curt
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
Curt's a lawyer? Uh oh...

At least he's consistently wrong.

Curt
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
"Glenn Greenwald has appeared on Jake Tapper's program on CNN. Tapper plays the exchange we linked to earlier this afternoon in which NBC's David Gregory suggested Greenwald may have "aid[ed] and abet[ted]" a crime.

......

Greenwald says the underlying premise of the question, that a journalist working with a source to tell a vital story based on sensitive information may be a criminal act, is pernicious to the work of truth-telling and chilling to investigative journalism as an enterprise."
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
if BO wanted to stop this he would have had Holder write a different opinion up.

As Curt noted, it's way out of Obama/Holder's hands - the NSA's programs are authorized under the Patriot Act. The only recourse the administrations has is not signing intelligence appropriations. Or I suppose they could try and find a member of congress willing to front an Unpatriot Act.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:46pm PT
The head of the NSA, James Clapper, lied to congress when asked (lied directly to YOUR Senator Ron Wyden) when under oath. A lie through ommision is still a lie. Obama could and should have immediately fired him after reading the transcript. Link to an article from Slate, about as left leaning as it gets.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2013/06/fire_dni_james_clapper_he_lied_to_congress_about_nsa_surveillance.html

This bullshit is on the executive branch.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jun 24, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
there you go joe. right on spelling out obama's impotence as a leader.

dont worry, your the type of guy who seems to like the smell of his sh#t so no harm no foul....but stop pretending that your liberal leanings or any more intelligent than someone who believes sarah palin all the time.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 24, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
We should also be "excruciatingly clear" that the President that followed Bushco has spent years expanding on many government programs which many US citizens think are breaking constitutional law. Killing unarmed Americans without due process being another one.

He has not spent years "expanding many government program" other than pressuring the Taliban with drone strikes in Pakistan as a prelude to our Afghan withdrawal. What other programs are you talking about? The use of drones in targeted killings of suspected terrorists is nothing new.

The targeting of America citizens is unique to this presidency and that I agree is on dubious legal ground - but, that legal/constitutional ground was again made entirely murky before Obama ever took office. But, this is again a symptom of a form of asymmetric warfare we've heavily engendered and against which our military is now essentially useless. This will have to be settled by Congress and SCOTUS over time, but however that settles out the challenge of what to do with American citizens who turn against us will surely remain.

I don't recall Bush running on the "lets go insane and invade some middle eastern countries"...

Then you clearly weren't following along with BushCo's Project for a New American Century which actually pushed for, and campaigned on, exactly that premise.

So should voters of those men be blamed or is it more likely that parts of the government are too big and out of control? That's what Snowdens point was.

The former point was not Snowden's, it's yours. Ask the republican voters in West, TX if government is too big. The 'government's too big' mantra is simplistic beyond words if not complete fantasy and folly and those who would pare it down would do so in all the wrong ways. And in fact, they've been hamstringing regulatory oversight of industry after industry in every conceivable way possible for decades now, but greed is the only driver to-date with your mantra giving that greed cover. 'Smaller government' is in no way the answer - effective government is, as would be government for humans as opposed to corporations, but conservatives are dead set against any such change.
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