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Mountain climber
pac northwest
Dec 31, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
^If you seen internal situation in Apple you wouldn't be surprised at anything and any degree of betrayal of any American (or human) interests...as to working with NSA: why do you think these scums are allowed to operate in the US, without paying much taxes, and making billions? Nothing is free. If they had to operate in some 3rd world country OR Europe, do you think they'd be able to keep the lion's share of own profits? No.

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Dec 31, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
As an American - Am I more likely to be
a) killed by terrorists
b) have my house foreclosed on illegally
c) die due to lack of medical insurance
The answer is b), but you got to understand that the very fact that your home may be foreclosed on you, and not taken away via mob or army violence with your body hung on a fence is something due to laws that are guarded by weapons and security technology that protects military tech from being disrupted/taken over, and the fact that you're the least likely to die from terrorist attack is exactly due to massive security efforts.

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Dec 31, 2013 - 09:17pm PT

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 1, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
tioga said: "the fact that you're the least likely to die from terrorist attack is exactly due to massive security efforts."

this connection would, at first glance, appear to make straightforward common sense.

but is there really any evidence to back this assertion?

let's do a quick run through just a couple of the u.s. govt's most significant post 9/11 "massive security efforts":

1. iraq war: does anyone seriously think at this point that a war against the gov't of a country that had no significant connections with terrorism and that has killed 4 400 american soldiers, wounded at minimum another 30 000, all while killing a consensus minimum 100 000 civilians is one of the reasons for the lack of domestic u.s. terrorism attacks?

and equally as important these post 9/11 mid-east wars have cost the u.s. people 3-6 trillion dollars.

that works out to $10-20 000 per every u.s. citizen or $20-40 000 per every taxpayer.

2. mass surveillance: you seriously think that spending $80 billion per year on your national and military intelligence programs is "exactly" one of the reasons why the u.s. has had very few post 9/11 terrorism strikes? even though when the u.s. political/military/intelligence communities are pressed to justify the erosion of freedoms and large amount of money spent on specifically nsa mass surveillance programs, they make exaggerated claims of "54 disrupted terrorist plots" that then have to be walked back down to "at most one plot that might have been disrupted"?

you seriously think that if these programs were successful the powers that be wouldn't be justifying them at every point possible by repeatedly letting us know how many terrorist plots they had stopped?

that $80 billion works out to roughly $500 per every year and per every single u.s. taxpayer.

i could carry on with explications regarding remotely operated robots that have a 1 in 50 record of killing verifiable high value targets, while having a minimum 1 in 10 record of killing a verifiable civilian or tsa programs that seize cupcakes and toenail clippers or etc.

suffice to say that while the u.s. has been generally free of post 9/11 domestic terrorist attacks and this has been in part due to a few of the security measures that were both already and subsequently put in place, the bulk of the massive security measures have contributed nothing to the lack of attacks.

moreso and arguably, the bulk of these massive security measures have directly contributed to more threat, and to more insecurity by showing the world that the u.s. does not have a gov't that practices what it politically preaches, at least in so far as its dealings with the rest of the world.

and even if one doesn't agree with the preceding idea of direct contribution it is completely undeniable that these massive security measures have indirectly made the u.s. populace more insecure.

this is because ultimately, the u.s. can't financially afford these massive security measures.

a house with guns, that can't afford food is more insecure than the inverse.

the u.s. has economically destabilized itself, in part, chasing a tail of fear that it will never catch.

the longer people keep repeating the delusion that this chase is what keeps them secure, the worse the hangover is going to be...

good luck.


Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 2, 2014 - 01:59am PT
The NYT editorial board weighs in...

Considering the enormous value of the information he has revealed, and the abuses he has exposed, Mr. Snowden deserves better than a life of permanent exile, fear and flight. He may have committed a crime to do so, but he has done his country a great service. It is time for the United States to offer Mr. Snowden a plea bargain or some form of clemency that would allow him to return home, face at least substantially reduced punishment in light of his role as a whistle-blower, and have the hope of a life advocating for greater privacy and far stronger oversight of the runaway intelligence community...

command error

Trad climber
Jan 2, 2014 - 03:05am PT
Knowledge of the NSA iphone exploit is a gift to hackers.
Just knowing its possible does most of the work to figure it out.
And most of this NSA snooping is automated anyway. You set
monitoring gear on an iphone and text some keywords that
should trigger their interest and capture signal traffic.

Credit: command error

new world order2

Jan 2, 2014 - 09:46am PT
nah000 knows of which he speaks, and he explains it in detail (darn far better than I). You guys should consider his posts.

This spying is going to get a lot more intense. Mark my words.

Read it, and weep.
Read it, and weep.
Credit: new world order2


mars...it's near nevada...
Jan 2, 2014 - 10:00am PT
nah000 gave a much mor elegant reply than the 'Bullshit !' I was going to come back with.

the fact that you're the least likely to die from terrorist attack is exactly due to massive security efforts.

This is just plain WRONG. Completely and utterly WRONG. And I repeat my question - How does spying on every American accomplish this ? How does sending NSA data to the DEA information leading to drug busts for instance have ANY affect on terrorist actions ?

We're number one in this though !! Yah !!!

Trad climber
Jan 2, 2014 - 12:44pm PT
Oh wow!

Either Apple Computer told the NSA about the iphone backdoor
or the government accidentally stumbled onto it. Right!

Which is like guessing the winning lottery numbers but many times harder
given 32bit encryption.

Even since iOS 7 was released, vulnerabilities have been patched which
could allow full compromise without the knowledge of the user.

Usually you need two vulnerabilities to accomplish this: an arbitrary
code execution vulnerability to gain control, and a privilege escalation
vulnerability to gain admin or root privileges.

Once you have this, you can install whatever software you want.

This, incidentally, is how jailbreaking works.
Every jailbreak is based on at least one security flaw in iOS.
We know these work, so we know that what the NSA claims is perfectly

new world order2

Jan 2, 2014 - 01:09pm PT
The eye of Sauron (the new world order) is watching you.

Have a look at the logos for major corporations sometime.
You'll notice most of them have an eye, sun, or pyramid as their logo. That's how they pledge their allegiance to the NWO.

And if you look closer, you will notice more of this symbolism creeping into our lives,
like here..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSUIGY8qmis


Credit: new world order2
The eye of Sauron &#40;the new world order&#41; is watching you.
The eye of Sauron (the new world order) is watching you.
Credit: new world order2

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 2, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Your money is tracking you too.

Your cash, I mean, has passive RFID built-in. So once a particular bill, say a C-Note, is paid to you from a bank? Treasury can track that bill to your hidey hole and your drug dealer.

Its a brave new world. The eye of Sauron is FIXED in Supertopo. Our list of allies grows thin! Will Mountain Project come to our aid? They bury their heads in snow and dream of Elo Prancing. They care nothing for the troubles of California!

Our help lies with Rockclimbing.com? That lined failed long ago....

new world order2

Jan 2, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
^^^^ Thanks for the humor, DMT.

I needed that....sincerely.

Trad climber
Western America
Jan 2, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
Also have to assume all those airport cell phone/gadget charging stations try to install NSA spyware onto our devices.
So disgustingly obvious..



Jan 2, 2014 - 03:21pm PT
RFID tracking chips in bills Dingus? I googled it and get this:


This is what occurs when they get microwaved it's said:

Expecting a knock on the door from the feds soon.
new world order2

Jan 2, 2014 - 11:43pm PT
Snowden Reveals Monsanto Collusion with Government to Create Chemtrails


More info. on climate geo-engineering (aka. chemtrails) here (from Reuters News).

When world leaders speak of depopulation...What do you think it means?
When world leaders speak of depopulation...What do you think it means?
Credit: new world order2

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 3, 2014 - 01:16am PT
About the author:

Christina Sarich is a musician, yogi, humanitarian and freelance writer who channels many hours of studying Lao Tzu, Paramahansa Yogananda, Rob Brezny, Miles Davis, and Tom Robbins into interesting tidbits to help you Wake up Your Sleepy Little Head, and See the Big Picture. Her blog is Yoga for the New World. Her latest book is Pharma Sutra: Healing the Body And Mind Through the Art of Yoga.

Great source there Klimmer ;-)
new world order2

Jan 3, 2014 - 02:22am PT
^^^^I really doubt mainstream media would let on what exactly Snowden revealed.
The fact the U.S. gov't is freaking out, should give us a hint that maybe, just maybe he did leak the info. below.....plus more.

The shocking truth, as he says, is that chemtrails are part of a benevolent program aimed at countering global warming. By cooperating in secret with jet fuel manufacturers, government agents have carefully kept the massive chemtrail efforts completely under wraps. Snowden added, “I am only revealing this program because there is no oversight in the scientific community, no public discussion, and little concern for the side-effects which are well known only to a few privileged people interested in continuing the decades-long chemtrail program in secret.”

Care to challenge my contentions re. climate geo-engineering (chemtrails) from mainstream media Reuters News, froodish?

Planes or airships could carry sun-dimming materials high into the atmosphere for an affordable price tag of below $5 billion a year as a way to slow climate change, a study indicated on Friday.

Transporting a million tonnes of particles to at least 18 km (11 miles) above the Earth every year to form a sunshade is "both feasible and affordable", U.S. scientists concluded in the journal Environmental Research Letters.

Al Gore makes mention of spraying chemicals into the atmosphere here..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrrWXurroWw

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 3, 2014 - 03:01am PT
The Reuters link makes no mention of Snowden. I stand by my assertion that a dozen crap blogs saying: "so and so said Snowden said such and such" without a credible citation == crap.
new world order2

Jan 3, 2014 - 03:05am PT
^^^ He was quoted (in bold type).
Edit: I agree with you ("so and so said Snowden said") but he did ruffle a lot of feathers, so....

The Reuters article speaks of geo-engineering, not Snowden. I ask you to challenge that (whether chemtrails exist or not).

What about the quote from Kissinger? Does it not give you cause to wonder?

'Tis late. Night.

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 3, 2014 - 03:17am PT
Why would I trust Kissinger? He's a tool and a liar.
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