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climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 12, 2013 - 07:31pm PT
What will be more fun is when the public gets access to the same tools (even better ones as the tech advances) and it gets used on wall street and public officials.

There will come a day when the public will be impossible to keep out.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 12, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
wonder what your smoking?~?~?

you mean the fact of unconsciousable contracts norton...

our parents payed through the nose for these technologies to be created when the MARKET wouldnt have a thing to do with them

THEN!
once decades of this investment produce something you could sell, it was given to private industries for them to hold over our heads!

" give up the rights and the freedoms two centuries of your forebearers died for or get used to exclusion from the public commons"

we the people
we the consumers
should be accepting their terms
WE should be DICTATING ours...


you think it will be more than a year or two before EVERY security camera is required to upload its data to a location where your identified by the picture along with the time date and location?

think it isnt happening yet?

think it will be easily justified by some dipshit telling you "if you dont like it... dont leave your room!!!"

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 12, 2013 - 09:16pm PT
Norton, the real bad guys knew not to use telephones 50 years ago. They knew to search people for wires. Do you think for a minute the real terrorist criminals of today are that stupid as to use email?

The only reason to capture and store this much information on everyone forever is material for blackmail at a later date if need be. You're all guilty of crimes you might not even know you've committed. Any of that nonsense can now be used against you should you ever show up on their radar.

The biggest threat to our country is not foreign terrorists. It's the cancer pulling the strings of the rotten puppets in Washington D.C. We've truly destroyed ourselves from within.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 12, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
again its shown,
it has NOTHING to do with counter terrorism


America's NSA and Britain's GCHQ are both spying on the OPEC oil cartel, documents from whistleblower Edward Snowden reveal.



OPEC appears in the "National Intelligence Priorities Framework," which the White House issues to the US intelligence community. Although the organization is still listed as an intelligence target in the April 2013 list, it is no longer a high-priority target. Now that the United States is less dependent on Saudi petroleum, thanks to fracking and new oil discoveries, the fact that OPEC is not identified as a top priority anymore indicates that interest in the organization has declined.





Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 12, 2013 - 11:46pm PT
What will be more fun is when the public gets access to the same tools (even better ones as the tech advances) and it gets used on wall street and public officials.

Just ask Patreaus or Weiner........
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 13, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 13, 2013 - 09:37pm PT
pulled out EVERY BOX?!?!?!
WENT through EVERYTHING?!?!?

jeez,
f*#king crybabies!

this lady and her husband got the silk gloves treatment

normally they trash the place...

you know,
the USUALLY PROCEEDURES this lady and her husband CHEER FOR
every night they snuggle up on the couch to watch COPS and cheer for the law f*#king some poor person


TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 20, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/11/20/exclusive_inside_americas_plan_to_kill_online_privacy_rights_everywhere
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 3, 2013 - 03:50am PT
An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger. Watergate scandal journalist's letter comes as Guardian editor prepares to appear before MPs over Edward Snowden leaks

"Dear Alan,

There is plenty of time – and there are abundant venues – to debate relevant questions about Mr Snowden's historical role, his legal fate, the morality of his actions, and the meaning of the information he has chosen to disclose.

But your appearance before the Commons today strikes me as something quite different in purpose and dangerously pernicious: an attempt by the highest UK authorities to shift the issue from government policies and excessive government secrecy in the United States and Great Britain to the conduct of the press – which has been quite admirable and responsible in the case of the Guardian, particularly, and the way it has handled information initially provided by Mr Snowden.

Indeed, generally speaking, the record of journalists, in Britain and the United States in handling genuine national security information since World War II, without causing harm to our democracies or giving up genuine secrets to real enemies, is far more responsible than the over-classification, disingenuousness, and (sometimes) outright lying by a series of governments, prime ministers and presidents when it comes to information that rightly ought to be known and debated in a free society. Especially in recent years.

You are being called to testify at a moment when governments in Washington and London seem intent on erecting the most serious (and self-serving) barriers against legitimate news reporting – especially of excessive government secrecy – we have seen in decades."


"What is new and most significant about the information originating with Mr Snowden and some of its specificity is how government surveillance has been conducted by intelligence agencies without the proper oversight – especially in the United States – by the legislative and judicial branches of government charged with such oversight, especially as the capabilities of information-gathering have become so pervasive and enveloping and with the potential to undermine the rights of all citizens if not carefully supervised. The "co-operation" of internet and telecommunications companies in some of these activities ought to be of particular concern to legislative bodies like the Commons and the US Congress.

As we have learned following the recent disclosures initiated by Mr Snowden, intelligence agencies – especially the NSA in the United States – have assiduously tried to avoid and get around such oversight, been deliberately unforthcoming and oftentimes disingenuous with even the highest government authorities that are supposed to supervise their activities and prevent abuse.

That is the subject of the rightful and necessary public debate that is now taking place in the US, the UK and elsewhere."

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/dec/03/open-letter-carl-bernstein-alan-rusbridger
Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Dec 5, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
http://cryptome.org/2013/12/Full-Disclosure.pdf
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 9, 2013 - 06:06pm PT
froodish

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 10, 2013 - 11:25pm PT
“We cannot trust” Intel and Via’s chip-based crypto, FreeBSD developers say

http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/

Good news.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 13, 2013 - 10:05am PT
The NSA is spying on every American without any violent past. Still a man suffering from schizophrenia, who has a violent past and may even have commited murder in 2003, can stand as close as one can get to the American president for a long time. What's happening in America?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/12/mandela-memorial-interpreter-history-violent-behaviour
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 13, 2013 - 10:09am PT
After selling out their customers the big-data-whores like google yahoo et al are now pretending to object to NSA spying.... ALL THE WHILE accepting NSA money for the spy-data. All so some chicken sh#t Americans can feel better their fascist government is peering into their neighbor's bedrooms.

F*#king spies. Can NOT be trusted.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 15, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
NSA with unprecedented interview right now... on 60 Minutes.

DMT
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Dec 15, 2013 - 08:03pm PT
why arent we allowed the option of choosing less safe and secure?!?!?!
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 15, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
You do have that option. I suspect you will elect for comfy and safe.

DMT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 15, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
What will be more fun is when the public gets access to the same tools (even better ones as the tech advances) and it gets used on wall street and public officials.

There will come a day when the public will be impossible to keep out.

And they will know your actual name, you won't be able to hide behind a screen name, and where exactly you live, work, and what you make and spend it on.

I see why you look forward to that.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 15, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
Genie's out. Stuxnet baby weapons grade viruses. Predatory and criminal bots are going to use that computer DNA. Already are...

DMT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 15, 2013 - 09:09pm PT
Norton, the real bad guys knew not to use telephones 50 years ago. They knew to search people for wires. Do you think for a minute the real terrorist criminals of today are that stupid as to use email?

Then you have no knowledge of the mafia in this country. They certainly did.

You also don't know how the CIA tracked down UBL...partially by a pattern of NO usage of phones out of a residence.

As for stupid, ask the former head of the CIA about confidential email....

But in any case, none of this is reason to tell our enemies just what our capabilities are, and how to avoid them....
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