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fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 24, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
If you can split the raw IP traffic at various major trunks you don't really need much "hidden" on the clients. You'd ideally just need the local MAC address of the client to create a decent filter and that's about it.

So as long as you're randomly spoofing your MAC address and constantly rotating from one free wifi spot to the next (with no cameras)... you're good!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 25, 2013 - 07:03am PT
Pretty cool.

Think I'll download the add on

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/mozillas-lightbeam-tool-will-expose-who-is-looking-over-your-shoulder-on-the-web-8902269.html
rincon

Trad climber
SoCal
Oct 25, 2013 - 07:48am PT
NSA monitored calls of 35 world leaders after US official handed over contacts

I like how all the news sources report this as though it was absolute truth.

Snowden may be completely bullshiting everybody with fake documents.

Releasing these "facts" ever so slowly, getting more attention than if they were all released all at once. It's obvious that he's trying to get as much attention as possible, and inflict as much damage on the Obama administration as possible.

This isn't about being a whistle blower...the dude's a traitor, probably working for the Kochs.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 25, 2013 - 08:04am PT
Hahahaha - you guys got suckered into believing in the most embarrassing fake scandal in recent US history.



Indeed, you and Merkel must be laughing uproariously just about now.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 25, 2013 - 08:06am PT
It is important to note that Snowden is not the one who is making the decisions about release of information.

It is Glenn Greenwald.

Just as he said that he would, he is timing the release of information so as to cause the maximal amount of damage to the gov't of the US. And he has caused damage. I heard that opinion last night by a panel consisting of a lead FBI agent, the former Ambassador to Pakistan, and the Lead So Cal attorney for the ACLU, who all agreed on this point.

That would seem to me to be an act of war, by a traitor.

If he was simply interested in "getting the information out", He'd have dumped it all out, but he is using it for maximal effect and damage to the country.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 25, 2013 - 08:09am PT
I like how all the news sources report this as though it was absolute truth.



If you go there, then you cannot believe any news story you read or hear.


Interesting, that.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 25, 2013 - 08:12am PT
Just as he said that he would, he is timing the release of information so as to cause the maximal amount of damage to the gov't of the US.


Ken, can you back up this claim? I've never read that.
Thx,
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Oct 25, 2013 - 08:46am PT
re Greenwald ..Well that is what happens when you go out of the way to make enemies and try to intimidate a man by harassing him and those he cares about.

I'm more concerned about the threat to our freedoms posed by apparatuses like the NSA than anything a journalist can spill about them.

A while back a president was taken down by a couple journalists.. our nation was fine. But stooping to control journalists , to threaten and censor their work.. well that's another nail in the coffin of freedoms we should be much more concerned about.

Especially so when the supposed secrets that are being shared are something that amounts to common sense assumptions anyone should have made years ago based on the mission and capabilities of our spy agencies.

OMG BIG NEWS THE NSA IS A SPY AGENCY ...LOL
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 25, 2013 - 09:13am PT
Yeah, Werner posted a link to an old MSM article that outlined a lot of what the NSA was doing; I believe it was the NYT, or the Post. We all knew what they were up to. Heck, if you didn't believe there were NSA back doors into every operating system commercially available, then you weren't paying attention. It's just the scope and total lack of oversight that's astounding. That, and the budget to actually do it all.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:37am PT
I've be more concerned about advertising brainwash present in all media which is now being made more targeted (personalization) than by "NSA surveillance". American life and its electronic footprint are mostly focused on "what I ate", "whom I slept with", "weight of kim kardashian", etc and doubt these subjects are of real interest for nsa...Any kind of freedoms are mostly long lost here as a person grows up being an end product of brainwash/certain conditioning/social programming. One can try to ignore advertisements but they had been proven to have impact on person's brain/subconscious even from very brief exposure.
tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:08am PT
Computerization and automation created unnatural society, where humans are helpless and alienated (and fat)...People say that it would be an Orwellian state where everything is monitored by NSA or whatever... but the state got Orwellian already, without any surveillance, where all normal things are being replaced by tokens, "surrogate activities" (as aptly named by Ted Kaszynski) and electronic copies of reality. Until people understand how evil intrusion of technology is and chose to fight back, they won't be able to be free. I'd be more concerned about world's next generations being brought up without any morals, easily watching disgusting lewd movies and advertisements online and quickly devolving back into the ape-like state, of basically a caged zoo specimen of ape, fat and fed by the keepers to keep it content.

Also, entire infrastructure is becoming 100% dependent on computers/networks. It's very easy to compromise security of such system. In this kind of world, massive electronic surveillance will be simply necessary. You better get used to this...
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:10am PT
^^^ Irony, its not just for breakfast.

DMT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 25, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
If the UK and US governments believe that tactics like this are going to deter or intimidate us in any way from continuing to report aggressively on what these documents reveal, they are beyond deluded. If anything, it will have only the opposite effect: to embolden us even further.

Away from his desk, Greenwald is more overtly pissed, telling reporters at the airport in Rio de Janeiro, where he met Miranda upon his return home:

I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I am going to publish things on England too. I have many documents on England's spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 25, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
That's a far cry from saying he's trying to "cause the maximal amount of damage to the gov't of the US."

Come on... Do not equate the act of exposing gov't wrongdoing with doing that gov't harm.
jghedge

climber
Oct 25, 2013 - 03:17pm PT

"Indeed, you and Merkel must be laughing uproariously just about now."


Definitely had to laugh at the opening box-office last week for The Fifth Estate, a big-budget thriller based on whoever the Wikileaks guy is, which the studio spent $30 million promoting

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/10/20/box-office-disaster-benedict-cumberbatch-the-fifth-estate/


Literally the worst opening of 2013, with an average of $963 on 1500 theaters, for $1.7 million total for the weekend.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 25, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
Thanks for reminding me, I gotta catch that one, Cumberbunch is rad.

Not much to do with Snowden though.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Oct 25, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Ken M says «Just as he said that he would, he is timing the release of information so as to cause the maximal amount of damage to the gov't of the US.» and «That would seem to me to be an act of war, by a traitor.»

What Greenwald has said is: «I will be far more aggressive in my reporting from now. I am going to publish many more documents. I am going to publish things on England too. I have many documents on England's spy system. I think they will be sorry for what they did.»

Greenwald has not uttered a word about damaging the government, not a word about damaging the US, not a word about doing anything that will harm the American people. To see the words of Greenwald as the words of a traitor is extreme… Ken M is in this instance extreme… and in my view "a traitor of reason", his reasoning weak and his conclusions are not following from his premises. To me it seems like Ken M is spinning just like jghedge in the surveillance case. Surprising to me, but quite clear by now.

There are times through history where I am very thankful that there were exceptional journalists who had the courage to report on matters that made people in the power structure upset, in ways that were seen as aggressive by the people in the power structure.

Newspapers are today more and more defining their role as supporters of people in the power system, when the role of the newspapers should more often be to disclose the transgressions of people in power.

An example of another journalist who was attacked by the power system and who dared to report in a way that was seen as a transgression by the power structure of his time :
"In the immediate aftermath of the atomic bomb, the allied occupation authorities banned all mention of radiation poisoning and insisted that people had been killed or injured only by the bomb's blast. It was the first big lie. "No radioactivity in Hiroshima ruin" said the front page of the New York Times, a classic of disinformation and journalistic abdication, which the Australian reporter Wilfred Burchett put right with his scoop of the century. "I write this as a warning to the world," reported Burchett in the Daily Express, having reached Hiroshima after a perilous journey, the first correspondent to dare. He described hospital wards filled with people with no visible injuries but who were dying from what he called "an atomic plague". For telling this truth, his press accreditation was withdrawn, he was pilloried and smeared - and vindicated."

What I’m not enthusiastic about when it comes to the actions of Greewald in this instance is the «retaliation voice» that can be read from his words. The disclosure of the surveillance system does not gain anything from a «retaliation mindset» caused by the harrassment of his partner by the British authorities. If they bring Greenwald out of balance, they have achieved what they wanted. I’m glad he seems to have regained his balance. I hope he just let off steam after the British transgression.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Oct 25, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
Credit: HermitMaster
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Oct 25, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
I'll have a toasted cheese sandwich along with my SAM.
thebravecowboy

Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Oct 27, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
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