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Social climber
So Cal
Aug 31, 2013 - 06:51am PT

Sep 2, 2013 - 05:51pm PT

"Another release of information from Edward Snowden, published by the Washington Post."

Wow, what a torrent of concerned responses that post got, hahahaha

This topic is so far off the national radar, it's practically non-existent

Face it, guys - there is no possible way to monitor 100 billion emails a day.

It's paranoia run wild, and all but the fringiest kooks realize this.


Sep 5, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
NSA is back on the NYTimes.com front page.

N.S.A. Foils Much Internet Encryption

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 5, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
Consider the absurdity of the police-state we now live in. American sheep are waking up but not fast enough. Most are lulled back to sleep by the propaganda that this massive invasion of privacy somehow is "keeping us safe" from the boogey men. Boogey men that they sometimes invent and/or fund. Real criminals have known for the past 50+ years not to use any traceable communications. So this absurdly expensive surveillance is clearly to control dissent among the formerly law-abiding.

But how best to tear down the corrupt system that is in place now? Without an concerted uprising of our own military I don't see where to even begin.

Sep 5, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
But how best to tear down the corrupt system that is in place now?

Keep exposing it and keep raising the/your consciousness.

You might not think you're doing much at all but you are just by exposing it to your own self and raising your own consciousness.

From there it will expand and take hold.

Human beings by their original true nature are good hearted and compassionate to all living entities .....


Mountain climber
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:15am PT
Lots of interesting news about the NSA this past week, in spite of the current US administration trying to start a new war, with the hope of distracting the American public from these revelations.

Glen Greenwald has a concise summary, with lots of links: NSA encryption story, Latin American fallout and US/UK attacks on press freedoms - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/07/nsa-encryption-us-uk-press-freedoms

Security expert Bruce Schneier: The US government has betrayed the internet. We need to take it back - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying

I like this part from above:
We need to figure out how to re-engineer the internet to prevent this kind of wholesale spying. We need new techniques to prevent communications intermediaries from leaking private information.

We can make surveillance expensive again. In particular, we need open protocols, open implementations, open systems – these will be harder for the NSA to subvert.

The Internet Engineering Task Force, the group that defines the standards that make the internet run, has a meeting planned for early November in Vancouver. This group needs to dedicate its next meeting to this task. This is an emergency, and demands an emergency response.

Finally, this post by John Gilmore mentions the NSA's history of trying to dilute and defeat improvements in encryption: http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg12325.html

Dr. F.

Boulder climber
Sep 8, 2013 - 09:10am PT
But how best to tear down the corrupt system that is in place now?

Keep exposing it and keep raising the/your consciousness.


Finally, someone can see through the fog.

Sep 8, 2013 - 10:24am PT
Duck always flies high above the fog .....

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Sep 9, 2013 - 10:45am PT
"Risking his life"..lol, this money-hungrey wannabe is just like that other one, the rapist, Assange.

It is really a concern, NSA survelling Americans? I'm really sorry for any NSA agent who has to partake in "surveilance" of drug-infested, fat, food-and-lewdness obsessed, materialistic idiots. Who cares if they get under surveillance?
Want your privacy? Don't use stupid cellphones, internet--or keep your communications clean ("nothing to hide" for honest person): it's always your free choice, since you like your illusion of "freedom".

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Sep 9, 2013 - 11:05am PT
PS. In fact, NSA should, hopefully--and eventually--pull the plug on internet trash that's floating around, poisoning minds of new generations of not only "Americans" but entire world. The lewdness, pornography, profanity, advertisements that lure people into health-damaging behaviors, spreading vice for profit, etc, etc. If you doubt go see the fat idiotic asses strolling outside and ask how did Americans end up this way? They don't mind their CHILDREN witness lewdness and are being poisoned by toxic foods anymore!

I bet the very same trumpets of fight against "NSA surveillance" are avid proponents of "internet freedom" (aka freedom to trash and poison young minds). Well, unplug the wire if you're bothered by surveillance. Only your thoughts are private in this world.

Gym climber
Sep 9, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
keep your communications clean ("nothing to hide" for honest person)

so, I suppose people who expose the wrongdoings of corporations are not honest people, eh tioga?

What a fool.

Mountain climber
pac northwest
Sep 17, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
Snowden was nominated for some human rights award in Europe now...the funniest thing is that Russian criminal OIL TYCOON Khodorkovsky was nominated along with Snowden. This is so telling about the organization that administers these "awards" and their blatant agenda... incredible level of hypocrisy is crossing all lines. Khodorkovsy is one of the "new russians"--one of the mafia thugs who tried to grab as much oil as possible in the 90s (while people around SUFFERED so badly, as their lives were being destroyed, left and right, with last they had taken away, their lives included) to become some of the world's richest people...one of the ruthless carpetbaggers leading the robbery of the country--he had opened his mouth too wide though to bite more cash than he could handle, pissed off his mafia buddies who disagreed about how to split the dough--they put the foot down and locked that trash up (thanks god). He was really, really lucky since these disputes were resolved via a little explosive in the car, back then. Being a pet of murderous bloody thug Putin and nominated along with locked up oil tycoon greedy thug--makes for a good company.

So, he "uncovered" that NSA had read few emails...and the problem is--?
If you don't email about your plans to commit terrorist acts, why worry.
It's like big overgrown bratty American "kids" (adults, actually) who got new "tech" toy--"email", "internet", "smartphones"..."oh no, mommy, it's not private can you believe it?" Ever tried Facebook to experience "privacy"? Who in the Hell gave you idea that electronic communications, sites you visit/your history, and all other tech data about you is meant to be private? It's not. You may hope... but it's not. Nuthin is private here, except, like I said, your thoughts--which you may chose to keep to yourself. What's next, someone starts posting fliers all over the place and then claims "it's private" and sue everyone who had read them?

Then, he "discloses" that US hacked Chinese computers...that's a good one.
And the problem, again, is--? Anyone who went to computer science program and taken security class knows how MANY attacks by China are committed daily, on US military computer infrastructure.

This scum is truly a paid spy and nothing else. He's opening his big lying mouth wide now in anticipation of a fat piece of share of Putin's and Russian mafia's incredible wealth.

He disclosed that US spied on some diplomats at a conference...this is so laughable that doesn't even deserve a comment. I guess he expects that US will stop all own security operations and opens borders wide for every terrorist and donates all land and resources to foreign country.

I say nuke them. Put-in, keep quacking about Syria, you're such a benefactor. Every one knows what kind of duck you are.

I grew up under commies/KGB, without having as much as a phone line--I had more privacy and freedom on any day than any fool who uses Facebook. Wait till US facial recognition databases are sold :))

Sep 21, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
11 posts to this thread in the last 3 weeks? Hahahaha

Exactly like I said - fake scandal, off the national radar. Nothing was ever there.

On to the next fake crisis - gov't shutdown.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Sep 21, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
So who are you and what is your point Tioga ?

You scream and shake your fist at anything Eastern European.

Then you go on and on about how presumably soft western European and North American people are.

You complain that things aren't how you think they should be concerning social inequities, while celebrating eastern toughness, and decrying perceptions of legal and military weakness by western nations.

ps. climbing is considered fun by everyone who pursues it regardless of the country they live in.


Mountain climber
pac northwest
Sep 25, 2013 - 10:21am PT
So, websites and apps are going to be moving towards implementing all kinds of user tracking now, which gets stored by google infrastructure... Big $$$$ are to be made here... long live web trackers, google and $$$ for surveillance data on first world fools who like to push buttons. Don't buy into consumer economy/click "buy" buttons, don't browse trash online, don't carry illegal communications, disconnect the trash wire and you'll be ok, nsa, kgb or whatever.

China does it right with blocking and censoring internet, especially lewd garbage, via government action and watching it all. May be that's why they'd not a sinking ship unlike *some*.

US is selling own engineering workforce out to H1b visa fraud. Soon, all your infrastructure will be owned and seen by whoever, with whatever outside political interests. Eventually, security aspects of US infrastructure will come under control of outsiders, the way government here treats own engineers like 2nd class people and rolls the red carpets for whatever 3rd world "consultancies" pay better bribes.

Perhaps, Snowden knew that even his position will be eventually outsourced and decided to jump the ship before its too late? ahahahaha....

State of Mine
Sep 25, 2013 - 11:21am PT
PS. In fact, NSA should, hopefully--and eventually--pull the plug on internet trash that's floating around, poisoning minds of new generations of not only "Americans" but entire world. The lewdness, pornography, profanity, advertisements that lure people into health-damaging behaviors, spreading vice for profit, etc, etc.

you should go straighten out that fish on the back of your car....its upside down.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Sep 25, 2013 - 11:36am PT
So how's life in Russia working out for Paul Revere anyway?

Anyone know?

Oct 2, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
Today the NSA director admitted that they lied. Has anyone caught Snowden in a lie yet?


"The Obama administration’s credibility on intelligence suffered another blow Wednesday as the chief of the National Security Agency admitted that officials put out numbers that vastly overstated the counterterrorism successes of the government’s warrantless bulk collection of all Americans’ phone records.

Pressed by the Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee at an oversight hearing, Gen. Keith B. Alexander admitted that the number of terrorist plots foiled by the NSA’s huge database of every phone call made in or to America was only one or perhaps two — far smaller than the 54 originally claimed by the administration."

"Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper denied that the number of plots foiled should be the sole metric by which the success of the program is measured. “I think there’s another metric here that’s very important. … I would call it the ‘peace of mind’ metric.”

OMG! tell me we're not going to lose our peace of mind if the NSA stops recording everything we do. OMG ! NOT PEACE OF MIND!! OH NOESSSSSS!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Oct 2, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
Take it easy Couchmaster,

The NSA has their hands full tracking people masturbating while eating corn chips. They really don't have time to do what they're supposed to do. That would be police work and there's already lots of police.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Oct 2, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
Peace of mind. Piece of your ass too.

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