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Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Aug 1, 2013 - 06:57am PT
Breaking news - Snowden goes free. Got his asylum approved, now he just has to watch out for the jackals.

k-man - that's cool that someone actually wants to watch my tv show, thanks. Here you go:

US Drone Strikes Increase Extremism

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 1, 2013 - 05:43pm PT

XKeyscore, the documents boast, is the NSA's "widest reaching" system developing intelligence from computer networks – what the agency calls Digital Network Intelligence (DNI). One presentation claims the program covers "nearly everything a typical user does on the internet", including the content of emails, websites visited and searches, as well as their metadata.

Analysts can also use XKeyscore and other NSA systems to obtain ongoing "real-time" interception of an individual's internet activity.



Aug 2, 2013 - 06:49am PT
haha, a woman was googling "pressure cookers while her husband was googling "backpacks" and they get a visit from 6 armed tactical team joint terrorism/FBI guys. The government is watching everything you do online. Including this.


Google Pressure Cookers and Backpacks, Get a Visit from the Feds

Michele Catalano was looking for information online about pressure cookers. Her husband, in the same time frame, was Googling backpacks. Wednesday morning, six men from a joint terrorism task force showed up at their house to see if they were terrorists. Which begs the question: How'd the government know what they were Googling?

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Catalano (who is a professional writer) describes the tension of that visit.

[T]hey were peppering my husband with questions. Where is he from? Where are his parents from? They asked about me, where was I, where do I work, where do my parents live. Do you have any bombs, they asked. Do you own a pressure cooker? My husband said no, but we have a rice cooker. Can you make a bomb with that? My husband said no, my wife uses it to make quinoa. What the hell is quinoa, they asked. ...

Have you ever looked up how to make a pressure cooker bomb? My husband, ever the oppositional kind, asked them if they themselves weren’t curious as to how a pressure cooker bomb works, if they ever looked it up. Two of them admitted they did.

The men identified themselves as members of the "joint terrorism task force." The composition of such task forces depend on the region of the country, but, as we outlined after the Boston bombings, include a variety of federal agencies. Among them: the FBI and Homeland Security.

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Ever since details of the NSA's surveillance infrastructure were leaked by Edward Snowden, the agency has been insistent on the boundaries of the information it collects. It is not, by law, allowed to spy on Americans — although there are exceptions of which it takes advantage. Its PRISM program, under which it collects internet content, does not include information from Americans unless those Americans are connected to terror suspects by no more than two other people. It collects metadata on phone calls made by Americans, but reportedly stopped collecting metadata on Americans' internet use in 2011. So how, then, would the government know what Catalano and her husband were searching for?

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It's possible that one of the two of them is tangentially linked to a foreign terror suspect, allowing the government to review their internet activity. After all, that "no more than two other people" ends up covering millions of people. Or perhaps the NSA, as part of its routine collection of as much internet traffic as it can, automatically flags things like Google searches for "pressure cooker" and "backpack" and passes on anything it finds to the FBI.

RELATED: Very Similar Statements from Facebook and Google on PRISM Still Have Holes

Or maybe it was something else. On Wednesday, The Guardian reported on XKeyscore, a program eerily similar to Facebook search that could clearly allow an analyst to run a search that picked out people who'd done searches for those items from the same location. How those searches got into the government's database is a question worth asking; how the information got back out seems apparent.

RELATED: Will Google's Request to Publish Secret Court Orders Do Anything?

It is also possible that there were other factors that prompted the government's interest in Catalano and her husband. He travels to Asia, she notes in her article. Who knows. Which is largely Catalano's point.

They mentioned that they do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing. I don’t know what happens on the other 1% of visits and I’m not sure I want to know what my neighbors are up to.

One hundred times a week, groups of six armed men drive to houses in three black SUVs, conducting consented-if-casual searches of the property perhaps in part because of things people looked up online.

But the NSA doesn't collect data on Americans, so this certainly won't happen to you."

The response from the gov. http://news.yahoo.com/no-fbi-isnt-snooping-york-google-users-002041892.html "Oh noes, we don't do that, it was some other reason, just a knock and talk by the local friendly sherrif". Cough* bullshit* cough

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Aug 2, 2013 - 08:03am PT
Really couchmaster? You think it is more likely that it was the NSA and not the employer that instigated this? I have no love for what the NSA is doing as evidenced by my posts in this thread, but come on.

Aug 2, 2013 - 08:24am PT
I don't know and can't say Steve. Looks like the cops are still trying to get the corrected story straight though:

Updated version says:
"The Guardian reported that an FBI spokesperson said that Catalano "was visited by Nassau County police department … working in conjunction with Suffolk County police department." (Catalano apparently lives on Long Island, most likely in Nassau County.)

Detective Garcia of the Nassau County Police, however, told The Atlantic Wire by phone that his department was "not involved in any way." Similarly, FBI spokesperson Peter Donald confirmed with The Atlantic Wire that his agency wasn't involved in the visit. He also stated that he could not answer whether or not the agency provided information that led to the visit, as he didn't know."


Aug 2, 2013 - 09:16am PT
The current situation has been and is being very badly played IMO.

Aug 2, 2013 - 10:43am PT

Greenwald just said on MSNBC that Snowden"could have sold information to other countries."

His own media mouthpiece is starting to turn against him now.

Gym climber
Aug 2, 2013 - 10:50am PT
Joe, I see you're still stuck on the messenger ...

Aug 2, 2013 - 11:03am PT

"Joe, I see you're still stuck on the messenger ..."

You think Greenwald speculating that Snowden could have sold info to other countries isn't a pretty serious development? Coming from Greenwald?
Josh Nash

Social climber
riverbank ca
Aug 2, 2013 - 11:34am PT
“Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. ”
― Alan Moore, V for Vendetta

who would have thought instead of being social commentary the graphic novel became a sad predictor of our current state of affairs.

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Aug 2, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
The trick is not to become focused and assign blame on the front running puppets. Although the entire current crop of TV puppet 'leaders' in D.C. certainly deserve to be hung, that would solve nothing and perhaps provide a very false sense of justice. And these puppets WILL be sacrificed if the real truth is near the light.

I still think the truth about what might have happened in Benghazi is what the puppets are most terrified of. The effort expended to hype the nonsense with Trayvon kept the sheeple occupied for weeks. Even Snowden, perhaps troublesome to the regime, seems waaaay overhyped for the information he has presented so far.

Smoke, mirrors, debt people, look past them....


Aug 2, 2013 - 10:04pm PT


The United States intercepted electronic communications this week among senior operatives of Al Qaeda, in which the terrorists discussed attacks against American interests in the Middle East and North Africa, American officials said Friday.

The intercepts and a subsequent analysis of them by American intelligence agencies prompted the United States to issue an unusual global travel alert to American citizens on Friday, warning of the potential for terrorist attacks by operatives of Al Qaeda and their associates beginning Sunday through the end of August.

The importance of the intercepts was underscored by a speech that the Qaeda leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, posted on jihadist forums on Tuesday. In his address, Mr. Zawahri called for attacks on American interests in response to its military actions in the Muslim world and American drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen, according to the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors statements by jihadists.

Obama administration officials publicly declined to discuss what specific information had prompted the increased alarm and alerts, citing a desire to protect classified sources and methods.

But intercepting electronic communications is one the National Security Agency’s main jobs, as the documents leaked by Edward J. Snowden, a former N.S.A. contractor, have only underscored. At the request of intelligence officials, The New York Times withheld some details about the intercepted communications.

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Aug 3, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
Since this warning threat is so serious, important, and urgent, its inconceivable as to why the US government so irresponsibly relegates its dissemination to the random circulation of news media, dependent as it is upon advertisers and it’s paid subscribers and dedicated customers ... or worse, left to unconvincingly half-concerned citizens casually commenting about it on obscure threads in climbing forums.

Shouldn't the police, military, and civil defense make their way house-to-house to inform all US citizens? For as a grave a threat as this to our very existence and safety it's irresponsible that the government not interrupt - at fifteen minutes intervals - all online activity, TV, radio, public assemblies, and masses at major urban centers. Of what use is the protective solicitation of the total surveillance state if the ominously urgent existential threats it unearths is not instantly and universally disseminated? To be safe We The People must be in a position to prepare! In this way We The People could have prevented the onerous Boston Marathon Bombing! After all, of what use is the second amendment if not for the people to protect itself from external threat? It is intolerable that I am informed of this dire threat only by casual climbers' forum reading! Is a knock on my door in notification too much to ask? Why can’t the ringing of church bells be engaged? Public address warning sirens need to be blasted (and short snippets of Star Spangled Banner blasted at intervals).

I feel unsafe and unclean.
I feel the fear creeping up.
Such exclusive and ineffective means of National Defense such as is now being employed by the NSA, FBI, and CIA is scandalous. The US citizenry is a vast armed militia empowered by the second amendment who (We!) are ready to defend this great country ... they (We!) should form a multitude of armed groups to track, surveil, and intercept persons of suspicion. What is obviously needed is more armed citizens in the streets to deter and intercept these terrorists! People are blowing up crowds at a sporting event with impunity!
There should be a congressional meeting to address this.

It is an outrage!

Aug 3, 2013 - 01:17pm PT

"I feel unsafe and unclean.
I feel the fear creeping up. "

Haha, I'm sure you do. Delusional paranoia will do that.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 3, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
I also feel unsafe and unclean.
But I'm gonna take a shower and get into my Volvo to go see me mum.
Then I'll be ok.

mars...it's near nevada...
Aug 3, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
y'all realize these tools have probably already been used to blackmail congresspeople, judges, etc to vote/rule the way special interests want them to, right ?

Aug 3, 2013 - 02:27pm PT

"y'all realize these tools have probably already been used to blackmail congresspeople, judges, etc to vote/rule the way special interests want them to, right ?"

And of course, nothing like that has ever occurred before, no one's ever been blackmailed before without data mining, and only with data mining is this now possible.

mars...it's near nevada...
Aug 3, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
but now I can do it to anyone, anywhere, with the push of a button instead of with boots on the ground...

you are witnessing a thousandfold increase in effective use - seriously. if not more so...all I have to do is push a button, run a sort, grep some keywords...

and does the fact that it's been done before make it ok now ? with these tools ? what does that have to do with anything ?

Aug 3, 2013 - 03:27pm PT

"but now I can do it to anyone, anywhere, with the push of a button instead of with boots on the ground..."

J Edgar was doing it in the 30's with just the push of a button. None of this is anything new.

You want absolute privacy, you get no security. People with much more intel access than you (who has none), that we voted for and whom we give the authority to decide, decided. And they can't tell you what they're doing.

What is it about these simple facts that is so confusing...

mars...it's near nevada...
Aug 3, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
do you work with computers ? i get the simple feeling you fail to grasp what this new sh#t really does/is/etc...

and BullSh#t - Hoover could do NOTHING like this. I call you out on that.

and if you think the people we voted for are the ones making these decisions, you are a fool.
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