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jghedge

climber
Jul 14, 2013 - 07:20pm PT


"Not that the networks weren't enough!"


FauxNews included?

Or does your IQ excuse you?
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 14, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
one serious f*#king issues our better took serious a century ago before everyone had an earbud pluged into SOMETHING
jghedge

climber
Jul 14, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
Thanks Al

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/24/alan-dershowitz-on-glenn-greenwald-he-did-this-because-he-hates-america/


I was starting to wonder if there were any honest liberals left

I already know there's no honest wingnuts
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 14, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Traitor yet ??
Lol

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=national&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57593688/greenwald-snowden-documents-detail-nsa-blueprint/&feed_id=1&videoid=37&catid=57593688

Or are you still waiting for more information from Putin?

Lol
jghedge

climber
Jul 14, 2013 - 09:27pm PT

And how dare you suggest I would ever dream of blackmailing my own country, by threatening to expose its covert ops network

I would never do that - and even if I did, the ignoramuses who know nothing about that network will defend me anyway, so it's OK
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 14, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
Time for MORE, not less, details of the NSA, private "security firms" and their dirty business, to be "leaked" to the American public.

http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/strange-case-barrett-brown#axzz2Z5QylW3a

http://wiki.project-pm.org/wiki/Main_Page

http://wiki.project-pm.org/wiki/Endgame_Systems
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 14, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
Kunlun - that's some pretty good stuff...

This Barrett guy is f*#ked though ..


Dorothy Parker. His acid tongue was on display in his co-authored 2007 book, Flock of Dodos: Behind Modern Creationism, Intelligent Design and the Easter Bunny, in which he declared: “This will not be a polite book. Politeness is wasted on the dishonest, who will always take advantage of any well-intended concession.”

I want to read this book ..

As well as his anonymous book ..

I'm a big fan of anonymous
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 14, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
"The state would leech into the veins and arteries of our new societies, gobbling up every relationship expressed or communicated, every web page read, every message sent and every thought googled, and then store this knowledge, billions of interceptions a day, undreamed of power, in vast top secret warehouses, forever. It would go on to mine and mine again this treasure, the collective private intellectual output of humanity, with ever more sophisticated search and pattern finding algorithms, enriching the treasure and maximizing the power imbalance between interceptors and the world of interceptees. And then the state would reflect what it had learned back into the physical world, to start wars, to target drones, to manipulate UN committees and trade deals, and to do favors for its vast connected network of industries, insiders and cronies."

 Assange, Julian; Appelbaum, Jacob; Müller-Maguhn, Andy; Zimmermann, Jérémie (2013-01-09). Cypherpunks (Kindle Locations 65-71). OR Books. Kindle Edition.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:32am PT
It is as thought Daniel Ellsberg, in leaving the pentagon, killed a guard to walk out with his papers

Jeez Ken M, I never knew that Ellsberg killed a guard. I tried to look it up online, but came up with nada. Can you point out where I can find that Ellsberg killed a guard?

Otherwise, it is slander.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 04:53am PT
you might want to find a comfortable seat given the wait thats coming up on that questions...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:23am PT
Nice article Joe!


Dershowitz, for his part, insisted there is no gray area:

"Well, it doesn't border on criminality – it's right in the heartland of criminality. The statute itself, does punish the publication of classified material, if you know that it's classified," explained the guest. "Greenwald – in my view – clearly has committed a felony."



Indeed, publishing the Pentagon Papers was a criminal act. Lock all those NYT/Washington Post criminals UP! They HATE America.
jghedge

climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 08:33am PT

"Indeed, publishing the Pentagon Papers was a criminal act."

Except that, of course, the Pentagon Papers merely described executive policy, going back to Truman. Not quite the same thing as compromising on-going field operations by smuggling stolen laptops filled with intel to China and Russia. And the domestic news media knows this.

Ellsberg also never went to jail, nor have any other civilian NSA whistleblowers - yet Ellsberg claims Snowden would have, so Snowden had no choice but to flee to China with stolen intel. Absurd.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Joe, I agree--Snowden took a step too far when he talked about having intel on ops. For one, that has let folks such as yourself get distracted from the real meat of his revelations, which is the scope of NSA surveillance.

But to say that if something is classified, then it's criminal to publish it... All I can say is "Heil!"
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:19am PT
Why does some junior level outside contractor have so much sensitive information? It's a wonder the government has any secrets at all!
WBraun

climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 10:23am PT
He doesn't.

It's a diversion disinfo tactic to confuse and keep you from the real truth .....
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:32am PT
and until werner gets drunk enough to spill the beans were left with snowndens half measure



and in its address,joe


blackmail means youd take a certain payment not to reveal a fact.



this is an incorrect assessment of snowden.



he is revealing truths the people who are paying for their existance needs to see and address, period.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:39am PT
This aint no f*#king weenie roast.
This aint no f*#king weenie roast.
Credit: Ray Charles
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:44am PT
agreed don,

but this addresses the masses
and they shouldnt have to live up to our idealized standards before being allowed to axcess their rights eh?
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:46am PT
I'm worried the USG is going to kill Greenwald, Snowden, etc to keep them from publishing whatever it is Glenn's been referring to lately.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:55am PT
dum de dumb dumb
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