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Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jul 15, 2013 - 01:18am PT
Kunlun - that's some pretty good stuff...

This Barrett guy is f*#ked though ..


Dorothy Parker. His acid tongue was on display in his co-authored 2007 book, Flock of Dodos: Behind Modern Creationism, Intelligent Design and the Easter Bunny, in which he declared: “This will not be a polite book. Politeness is wasted on the dishonest, who will always take advantage of any well-intended concession.”

I want to read this book ..

As well as his anonymous book ..

I'm a big fan of anonymous
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:42am PT
"The state would leech into the veins and arteries of our new societies, gobbling up every relationship expressed or communicated, every web page read, every message sent and every thought googled, and then store this knowledge, billions of interceptions a day, undreamed of power, in vast top secret warehouses, forever. It would go on to mine and mine again this treasure, the collective private intellectual output of humanity, with ever more sophisticated search and pattern finding algorithms, enriching the treasure and maximizing the power imbalance between interceptors and the world of interceptees. And then the state would reflect what it had learned back into the physical world, to start wars, to target drones, to manipulate UN committees and trade deals, and to do favors for its vast connected network of industries, insiders and cronies."

 Assange, Julian; Appelbaum, Jacob; Müller-Maguhn, Andy; Zimmermann, Jérémie (2013-01-09). Cypherpunks (Kindle Locations 65-71). OR Books. Kindle Edition.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jul 15, 2013 - 05:32am PT
It is as thought Daniel Ellsberg, in leaving the pentagon, killed a guard to walk out with his papers

Jeez Ken M, I never knew that Ellsberg killed a guard. I tried to look it up online, but came up with nada. Can you point out where I can find that Ellsberg killed a guard?

Otherwise, it is slander.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 07:53am PT
you might want to find a comfortable seat given the wait thats coming up on that questions...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:23am PT
Nice article Joe!


Dershowitz, for his part, insisted there is no gray area:

"Well, it doesn't border on criminality – it's right in the heartland of criminality. The statute itself, does punish the publication of classified material, if you know that it's classified," explained the guest. "Greenwald – in my view – clearly has committed a felony."



Indeed, publishing the Pentagon Papers was a criminal act. Lock all those NYT/Washington Post criminals UP! They HATE America.
jghedge

climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 11:33am PT

"Indeed, publishing the Pentagon Papers was a criminal act."

Except that, of course, the Pentagon Papers merely described executive policy, going back to Truman. Not quite the same thing as compromising on-going field operations by smuggling stolen laptops filled with intel to China and Russia. And the domestic news media knows this.

Ellsberg also never went to jail, nor have any other civilian NSA whistleblowers - yet Ellsberg claims Snowden would have, so Snowden had no choice but to flee to China with stolen intel. Absurd.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 15, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
Joe, I agree--Snowden took a step too far when he talked about having intel on ops. For one, that has let folks such as yourself get distracted from the real meat of his revelations, which is the scope of NSA surveillance.

But to say that if something is classified, then it's criminal to publish it... All I can say is "Heil!"
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 15, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Why does some junior level outside contractor have so much sensitive information? It's a wonder the government has any secrets at all!
WBraun

climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
He doesn't.

It's a diversion disinfo tactic to confuse and keep you from the real truth .....
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
and until werner gets drunk enough to spill the beans were left with snowndens half measure



and in its address,joe


blackmail means youd take a certain payment not to reveal a fact.



this is an incorrect assessment of snowden.



he is revealing truths the people who are paying for their existance needs to see and address, period.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
This aint no f*#king weenie roast.
This aint no f*#king weenie roast.
Credit: Ray Charles
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
agreed don,

but this addresses the masses
and they shouldnt have to live up to our idealized standards before being allowed to axcess their rights eh?
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
I'm worried the USG is going to kill Greenwald, Snowden, etc to keep them from publishing whatever it is Glenn's been referring to lately.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
dum de dumb dumb
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
hell,

im worried the air force is going to fake their as#@&%es second coming and the liberal media will AGAIN, give their pundits the run of things
Credit: rSin
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
Snowden's NSA whistle blowing on PRISM and the government's secret domestic surveillance is merely the tip of the iceberg.

Once extracted and isolated as a deracinated fragment out of its larger continuum, the epic entirety of the domestic surveillance program PSISM is then easily explained, justified, and defended via simplistic government misinformation propaganda as an 'anti-terrorism' program by obscuring the broader and central context within which this spying exists. In order for this propaganda to succeed, the domestic spying's context and the discourse's public boarders must be rigorously policed. The mainstream media will be fully mobilized to police the parameters of this discussion in an attempt to redirect the public's focus away from the PRISM program and onto (its campaign of discrediting and/or destroying) whistle blowers like Snowden; to redirect the public's focus away from PRISM's raison d'être so as to protect and obscure the incestuous relationship of corporate/government/FBI/security contractors' control of the raison d'état while attacking journalists who lift the lid on this Pandora's box ... and all of this seasoned with a generous helping of all-purpose fear courtesy of the perpetual 'war on terror'.

Those that are gullible and naive enough to swallow the official propaganda regarding the secret and omnipresent spying operations of the greatest, richest, and most powerful empire the world has ever known, display a shocking and inexcusable ignorance and underestimation of Machiavelli. The topic: control.


WTF

climber
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:29pm PT



WBraun

climber

Jul 15, 2013 - 10:23am PT
He doesn't.

It's a diversion disinfo tactic to confuse and keep you from the real truth .....

Bingo ding ding ding.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Jul 15, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
you think you could manage to work in what we were being denied the truth of in your paragraph???
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Jul 15, 2013 - 04:51pm PT

'Some journalists are now understandably afraid to go near the Stratfor files. The broader implications of this go beyond Brown; one might think that what we are looking at is Cointelpro 2.0—an outsourced surveillance state—but in fact it’s worse. One can’t help but infer that the US Department of Justice has become just another security contractor, working alongside the HBGarys and Stratfors on behalf of corporate bidders, with no sense at all for the justness of their actions; they are working to protect corporations and private security contractors and give them license to engage in disinformation campaigns against ordinary citizens and their advocacy groups.

Read more: The Strange Case of Barrett Brown | The Nation http://www.thenation.com/article/174851/strange-case-barrett-brown#ixzz2Z8zxR2aO
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 15, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
^^Lovegasoline, take a look at this story too, that someone posted way upthread -

Jailed Journalist Barrett Brown Faces 105 Years For Reporting on Hacked Private Intelligence Firms

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/11/jailed_journalist_barrett_brown_faces_105

PETER LUDLOW: Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, one of the most crazy things in the whole thing was when Coca-Cola approached Stratfor, and they were concerned about PETA, you know, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. And why, I’m not entirely sure, but one of the people in Stratfor said, "Well, the FBI has a classified file on PETA. I’ll see if I can get it for you." Now, that little story sums up a lot of stuff that’s wrong about this. First of all, why are private—why is Coca-Cola going to a private intelligence company for this? Why is—why did the private intelligence company feel that they had immediate access to a classified file by the FBI? And why did the FBI have a classified file, to begin with? I mean—but, to me, the creepiest part of that very creepy little story is the fact that the guy at Stratfor felt that he had access to this classified file by the FBI. And the Barrett Brown case revealed something like this, as well. It’s almost like the FBI has become just another private security firm, that it’s become like a private cop for these companies, as it were. And, I mean, that’s part because of the revolving door. It’s part because they get pressed into service for companies that want inside information on activist organizations like PETA.
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