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Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Mar 9, 2017 - 02:56pm PT
Thanks for that pointer Kunlun. Have you dug into their earlier weaknesses to see if they are still present?
 no easy way to verify that you are encrypting a message to the correct recipient (maybe it's using the keys of ProtonMail too so they can keep a copy? The trust model is a little ugly without digging into techie methods of client-side verification. I may be off base on this, haven't played with it myself
 they used to use javascript to push the client code for encrypting/decrypting the message with the mailbox key... but if they were compelled by a government agency or through some other threat, they could change that javascript to trick you into giving up your mailbox key. But if the client is a native iPhone/Android App or web-browser plugin, then the same code runs for everyone and other people can detect and report those security compromises and at least it would become public knowledge.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 9, 2017 - 08:51pm PT
Curt, I'd go a step further: Wikileaks only seems to take actions that damages western democracies. We don't see anything from Russia, nothing from China or North Korea, all hotbeds of cyberattacks throughout the world.

Seems like an anarchist agenda to me.

Why don't they release Trumps income taxes: they don't see a benefit TO THEM to doing so.

Social climber
Southern Arizona
Mar 10, 2017 - 11:33am PT
DMT: . . . US interests at heart . . . .

And what ARE those? Is the U.S. the standard bearer for all things democratic, fair, equal, compassionate? Shall it see it as its mission to spread, maintain, protect those values to other countries? Or is it the same as many other countries (Russia included): self-preservation: creating a position to defend against different ideas, values, and loyalties; putting its citizens’ own welfare ahead of other people in the world?

It’s a bit ambiguous, isn’t it? Our math friends might want to employ game theory to tell us how we should proceed, but game theory assumes clear, somewhat unequivocal, and non-conflicting objectives.

We are a fragmented nation in so many ways. This happens to be one of democracy’s problems no matter where it shows up. In time, there develops a lack of unity, and a diminishment of intellectual and moral capabilities to deal with issues facing a democracy.

Visit Alexis de Toqueville’s, “Democracy in America” (1835). Wiki summarizes Toqueville’s treatise casually in the following manner:

According to Tocqueville, democracy had some unfavorable consequences: the tyranny of the majority over thought, a preoccupation with material goods, and isolated individuals. Democracy in America predicted the violence of party spirit and the judgment of the wise subordinated to the prejudices of the ignorant.

Of course, just who is ignorant and who is prejudiced may turn the interpretation from one side to another. (Ignorant of what?)

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Mar 10, 2017 - 04:25pm PT
+1 Dingus

Could be a "white hat" type person that wants the info out so all systems can be more secure to enforce a more idealistic balance of power between any government and private entities.

Could be a person that just wants to take down the biggest kid on the block.

Could be a few brave people acting with little support or safety net, and Wikileaks is a sort of rallying point for these "lone wolf" whistle-blowers.

Could be state players

Could the CIA itself as part of a trick to underplay what their capabilities really are, a sort of lulling the enemies into a false sense of security.

Who knows?

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 11, 2017 - 07:48am PT
Could also be just some pathetic soul with no life who sees this as his chance to be somebody.

Mountain climber
Apr 21, 2017 - 09:47pm PT
Cybersecurity for the People: How to Protect Your Privacy at a Protest


Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Apr 22, 2017 - 07:47am PT
Thanks Kunlun, good timing for the March for Science today:



I think Neil deGrasse Tyson sums it up pretty well:
"Show me a Nation with a science-hostile government, and I'll show you a society with failing health, wealth, & security."

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Apr 22, 2017 - 10:17am PT
Very informative, interesting exchange between Gen M Hayden and Sam Harris on the waking up podcast this week. Eg, distinction between NSA and CIA, the necessity of espionage and intelligence, the constantly shifting, negotiated line bet privacy and security, and a bunch of other stuff (why Snowden should be prosecuted if he were captured or ever to return and the harm he's done).


Is government secrecy always illegitimate?

"Shame on us for giving them the opportunity..." -Hayden


PS There's this actor, Kurtwood Smith, who could play General Hayden to a t I bet.

Mountain climber
May 18, 2017 - 11:37pm PT
Risking her life, and now free.


Delhi Dog

Good Question...
May 19, 2017 - 05:13am PT
whoa is that a real freckle?

speaking of people who share secrets...

and yeah I know it's cnn

hfcs, thanks for the link

away from the ground
May 19, 2017 - 10:32am PT
Is that the chick that Cosmic doesn't like?
Eric Beck

Sport climber
Bishop, California
May 19, 2017 - 12:08pm PT
Zero Hedge reports that Seth Rich, a DNC functionary, had been in contact with Wikileaks and is the likely source of the leaked DNC emails.


So far the MSM have been suppressing this story. It would invalidate their case that Russia was behind this. Also note, Julian Assange has said that it was not Russia.

Rich was murdered, shot in the back as he was walking home at night. This was officially attributed to robbery, but nothing was taken.


Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 19, 2017 - 02:43pm PT
Years ago, Bill Buckley and Gore Vidal debated the death penalty, with Buckley for, and Vidal against. Buckley made the point that if it deters even one murder, it's worth it. Of course, that is hard to prove one way on the other.

The same argument can be used for spying on Americans. If you gather lots of illegal data that pries into our personal lives, but then you happen to uncover a plot to blow up a huge bomb in Penn Station which would kill 200 people, then is it worth it?

Even ordinary surveillance footage in stores and malls has made it a lot easier to apprehend killers. So it is a two-edged sword.

Still, I think it is good that Assange exposed it.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 19, 2017 - 04:08pm PT
Yeah, what's a few Americans' lives worth when we're talking about protecting yer texts to yer mistress?

Trad climber
May 20, 2017 - 08:22am PT

Listen to this short interview of General Michael Hayden by Sam Harris. If 40 minutes is too long, skip 20, where Snowden became the subject of discussion.

Edit: oops, should have read up thread first.

Mountain climber
Jun 9, 2017 - 09:05am PT
Be careful about risking one's life by leaking to The Intercept:


Mountain climber
Sep 25, 2017 - 12:19am PT

Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
Oct 6, 2017 - 10:40am PT
Noam Chomsky on Edward Snowden - 5 minutes

[Click to View YouTube Video]

Mountain climber
Nov 16, 2017 - 09:50pm PT
Very interesting two part documentary by Cyril Tuschi, worth watching:


"Whistleblowers such as Daniel Ellsberg, Thomas Drake, William Binney, and Edward Snowden; and hackers and activists such as the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and the former British secret service agent Annie Machon, warn us about the complete surveillance of our society. "

Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
Nov 17, 2017 - 09:17am PT
While the surveillance per se is an invasive thing, the really insidious part is the selective enforcement of what they find. If we all are guilty of violating some law or other, then we all live in fear of being prosecuted when it strikes the fancy of those in power. It enables powerful people to have a legal shield and arms-length deniability for engaging in personal vendettas or underhanded means of preserving and consolidating their power. It’s a way of silencing adversaries and preventing the carriage of justice on larger issues, which erodes the quality of our democracy and society.

We see evidence of it now even in the private sector, where filthy rich men pay former Mossad agents to dig up dirt on their victims to keep them quiet.
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