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Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Original Post - May 17, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Yup, another relocation thread.

I've fished around on this topic before, but facts are facts. I have no choice but to move in September.

My good friend is moving to SD in September and is trying to convince me to tag along. My Tahoe friends all recommend San Diego as well.

So, what's good? What's bad? Between the two of us we've got four dogs. Where's an area to look for houses to rent where dogs would be ok? I'm thinking outside of town, a little more rural, but fairly close to the city proper (30-45 mins).

Is this even possible? I've never been there.

Thanks!
Donny... the OHHH!- Riginal

Sport climber
C:porn
May 17, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
What....you never watched Riptide?
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Nope, what's that?
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
May 17, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
I wouldn't!

I've only been there once (March this year) and had my car's roof rack sawn off with two bikes attached. It was parled outside in the early evening downtown. No fingerprints on the car anywhere other than my own, so most likely a professional job.

We went there for a tri and other than having the bikes stolen, we enjoyed the city but it's too far away from the mountains for me.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 17, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
Mother superior
Grug's Crack
Fresh squeezed oj@lynnes
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
May 17, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
Uh, this is a climbers thread.

S.D. is no climbing destination. Whatever climbing there is will be some very well traveled boulder problems, with grafitti and litter, in or close to town. Then there will be the "new" area, with a horrendous poison oak infested approach, where the climbing starts at 5.12C, and it is in the direct sun all day long, so it is only climbable in the dead of winter.
But hey, you can always hop into the car and make the 8 hour drive on Friday night to the Valley.

Or, you could take up surfing, then you'd be set . . .
gonzo chemist

climber
Fort Collins, CO
May 17, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
Great weather year 'round (east county can be a bit warm for me in the summer)
Great Beer

El Cajon Mt.
Eagle Peak
Valley of the Moon
Mt. Woodson
Black mountain and Idyllwild (~2 hours away)

If I move back to CA, San Diego is where I'm headed...
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
May 17, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
There is a wealth of quality climbing in San Diego County, and if you are the adventurous type, even more awaits!

I'm originally from NH and moved here in October of 2011. It definitely turned out to be more amazing and diverse than I could have imagined. Woodson is world-class, and there's much more quality stuff beyond that place (which is essentially impossible to exhaust). Yeah, the climbing ratings are a bit "old-school", but that's good for ya, isn't it?

I love living here and I always stay psyched to climb, regardless of the time of year, because there are plenty of places within a few hours' drive when it gets too hot. And when everyone's dealing with winter, we've got prime desert climbing happening. Hell, if it ever rains in the city of San Diego, your climbing day isn't ruined, you just have to cruise out to the desert. There are a few good gyms too, so you got plenty of plastic pullin' to do if that's your thing. Go for it, I'd be psyched to have a fellow granite stater to climb with!

Also: easy year-round access to the Eastern Sierra... five hours and you're at Whitney Portal. DAMN that's amazing!
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
May 17, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
Well, it is closer to the Sierra Nevada than New Hampshire.

My buddy lived in Pacific Beach(?) for six months and got the hell outta there. Said the women were really lame, superficial, shallow and fake. Said if you're a white hat wearing frat guy you'll love it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 17, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
"S.D. is no climbing destination. "

Well, sort of...depending on what you're looking for.

It's got good cragging at all the aforementioned places, but if you're interested in anything related to alpine, it's a long haul to anything decent. Weather tends to be boring-ly stable...about 8" rain/year.

For the most part, it's a pretty conservative part of the country, due to the military presence, and the east county redneck influence. That said, there are pockets of open thinkers in North Park, and along the northern part of the coast.

I spent 20 years there...since I moved away in the early 90's, I've never missed it. I don't mind visiting, but can't imagine moving back.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
May 17, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
If the ocean is important to you and you want it to be part of your life ( surfing?), SD will be great. Down side is that SD will require quite of bit of car time to get to the "real" mountains. Having lived in SD, LA and a couple places in Nor Cal, I personally prefer Nor Cal.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 17, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Best weather in the US.
Good food and culture in a town that isn't too big.
Good climbing locally, good weekend destinations within 2-3hr.
Beaches.
and last, but certainly not least........Latinas.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
May 17, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
SD has always had sort of a weird feel to me. It's all SoCal / navy / beach / sprawl /freeway / frat / city but not a city with some cool enclaves.

Close to a lot of good things. Probably the best coastal California city for climbing and surfing, worst for skiing.

Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
May 17, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
boobs.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 17, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
San Diego is phenomenal. Best weather in the world, warm (not hot) and dry year round. Great beaches and surf. Decent mountains not too far.

Biggest downside for me is distance to skiing.

It was discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 17, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
boobs.

fake boobs
goatboy smellz

climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
May 17, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
86.967% more boobs than NH.
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Pebble Wrestling.... Badly lately.
May 17, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Orange County or the South Bay area in LA are a lot the same without adding 3 hours to the drive to the Sierra. If it was me I would live in the South Bay or even Malibu if I wanted to live by the beach.
Daphne

Trad climber
Black Rock City
May 17, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
You'll be way closer to Black Rock City :)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 17, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
Yeah, except that SD has far better & closer cragging options than OC or LA.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
May 17, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
Four dogs are going to be an issue. Very tight rental market out here, tough to rent even with one dog. If you look long and hard you can find a good situation in a rural area, but it will not be on craigslist, more a word of mouth.

Two hours to Idllywild from north san diego county, 30 minutes less if you are inland. Crags all over the county, they are just not marketed very well by the Chamber of Commerce

Short drive to Mexico for the real adventures
Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
May 17, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
four dogs may be a tight issue, true.

though other tight issues may pleasantly offset the
hassle that you'll endure of your hounds.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 17, 2013 - 03:52pm PT
apogee POPPED his San Diego bubble!

DMT
mooser

Trad climber
seattle
May 17, 2013 - 04:06pm PT
San Diego is great. Lots of great "rural" options in the area, too. Cost of living is high, and the rental market kind of tough (especially with dogs), but there are house options here and there that can be good options in those more rural areas.

The climbing around SD is great, too, and isn't far from bigger stuff. Good luck with your decision!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 17, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
I've always enjoyed San Diego more than L.A., but, granted, have spent more time in S.D. than the latter and don't really know what I'm talking about.

If you're tired of winter and love the ocean, you're going to love it. If you like seasons, there's probably only two there. Inland areas get baking, 10 to 20 degrees warmer than coastal. There's a ton of respectable climbing within a normal day trip/weekend drive.

I wouldn't feel crappy about moving there ;).
neversummer

climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
May 17, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
Credit: neversummer
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 17, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
I've heard that SD County has more microbreweries than anywhere else in the country these days. That's not a bad thing, in my book.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
May 17, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2013 - 04:34pm PT
You'll be way closer to Black Rock City :)

It was better last year...

Thanks for the input, it seems split as to being a great place to live and a junkshow frat party.
I'm not into the party scene anymore.

The dog thing seems to be the real crux if I choose to move there. I feel the pain of homeowners in being approached by renters with multiple dogs. It's a shame too, as these dogs are well behaved. (Insert dog comment here)

Bouldering and surfing in fairly close proximity are a plus. A days drive to mountains is ok.

What are these rural areas you speak of? It'll help me in a craigslist search for housing.

And work? I'm a skilled carpenter but at this point a change of scenery outweighs my prior need for a high end carpentry job. I'll do whatever. Starting over is fun.
Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
May 17, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
just because you squat in a confine
does not necessitate that you are confined
to that dwelling.

brandon.
move to san diego.
work a 6-week stint.
make mega-bank.

travel to the sierras for 2 months.
exhaust said mega-bank.

return to the promise land.
repeat.

sounds grand.

do not compromise your dirtbag ideals,
though you'll be distracted by
money-pushers and silicon models,
maintain your wayward path
thru monetary mecca.

exploit the opportunities afforded
and stray from the hollow distractions
that'll abound.

it's totally slick to
skid gloriously down skid row
right next to the wingnuts
whom drag behind and within them
their metal coffins against which
they prop themselves and present
to their world their counterfeit soul.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
May 17, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
It's a very nice city, big enough to have a lot of good food, but small enough to have a homey feeling.
It's got fantastic weather.
The beaches are gorgeous.
It's really not all that far from a lot of climbing, a few hours!

Four dogs could be a problem in any traditional type of rental. Probably the farther you are from "the city" the more likely it would be.

I hope you come out here Brandon - you'd be able to drive to the Valley for the big September party!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 17, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Also, yes, the mega pixels of real live chica flesh may precipitate a rise in your insurance premium as fenders get bent and your eyes develop a severe ogle-induced nystagmus.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 17, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
phylp sums it up well

San Diego is in a corner, so the rural areas are east (off I-8, generally) and northeast (off I-15)

Real estate is pricey, but being 30-45 minutes from town will help with the rent.

The further you go from the city the hotter it gets in the summer (unless you go into the mountain communities, but none are really within 30-45 minutes.)

Traffic can suck if you need to commute into town for work.

Plenty of climbing and a very active climbing community.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 17, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
One of my guys at work lives in Escondito, loves it. Another couple are in Oceanside, both are happy there. You could become a Poway Mtn Boy...or a loner from Ramona, a crook from Fallbrook.

KP Ariza

climber
SCC
May 17, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Beaches
Bitches
Blocs
Bars
Beers
Border crossings......
What more can you ask for?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 17, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
One of my guys at work lives in Escondito, loves it. Another couple are in Oceanside, both are happy there. You could become a Poway Mtn Boy...or a loner from Ramona, a crook from Fallbrook.

Do you have one of those rhymes for Temecula?
lele honu

Trad climber
SD
May 17, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Brandon,
send me a pm - I live in SD, am a Realtor, lived in SD since 2002. Can give you some input on the rental situation, and the scoop on climbing areas. Joel
Anxious Melancholy

Mountain climber
Between the Depths of Despair & Heights of Folly
May 17, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Uhmm, how to respond.....
Don't do it, last thing needed is another couple bodies and dogs moving into So Cal. Crowded enough as it is and I'm working my way to a point where I can move away (although I've home based here my whole life! Yikes)

Stuck in the corner of the nation's a drag. Long drives are in your future and only a 90 degree arc of land, unless you head to MX (which is actually quite nice).

Over-inflated property values, freeway and surface street nightmares, big city issues typical of most.

Yeah, we can sing the praises of great bouldering, crags, beaches, climate, proximity to Tahquitz, Joshua Tree, dunes, surf and micro brews....but I'm telling you I'm feeling a bit penned in, kinda claustrophobic.....

Ah hell, come on out and make the best of it. Keep your happy face on, hit the good stuff, avoid the bad, and be prepared to drive a bit longer than expected if you want to find a place where your dogs will be truly happy.

How long do you expect to stay? You going to just rent the whole time, or do you think you might want to buy? Just asking as I'll be looking to sell here in the not to distant future.....
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 17, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
Gee...I guess it's all relative.

I grew up in Pittsburgh.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 17, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Do you have one of those rhymes for Temecula?

Are you razzing me Kos? Geez, you're like a Heckler from Temecula. (yeah, I know, strained at best). Don't ask about Murietta.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 17, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
pittsburg?
talk about a place detroit wishes it were...

I'd say that was spot on.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 17, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
San Diego is popular and being popular has its drawbacks. Crowds, expensive, shallow people. But it's like Yosemite Valley (or "the ditch" as the cool kids call it). You can focus on the negative. Or focus on the positive and learn how to avoid a lot of the negative aspects.

Tijuana is a cesspool, but a fun cesspool. Just a warning if you cross the border. The further south you head in Baja the nicer it will get. If you've ever been to Niagara Falls it's similar, but the f*#ked up thing is that Canada is nice and the US is all run down and shitty.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 17, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
A small part of obscure San Diego:

A piece of the steep and the deep
A piece of the steep and the deep
Credit: The Warbler

That rock looks weird, but it's as good as granite gets...

San Diego's big three:

Corte Madera
Corte Madera
Credit: The Warbler

El Cajon Mtn
El Cajon Mtn
Credit: The Warbler

Eagle Peak from Boulder Creek
Eagle Peak from Boulder Creek
Credit: The Warbler

Eagle Peak main wall - 500 ft high in the center
Eagle Peak main wall - 500 ft high in the center
Credit: The Warbler

Psilocyborg

climber
May 17, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
I like the inland empire. Menifee, Hemet, Lake Elsinore ect..

4 hours to lone pine, and an hour to everything else in So Cal.

Fake plastic people leave. They go to SD, OC, or LA like a moth to a flame. There is an enclave of fake plastic people, but we keep them locked up in Canyon Lake.

Smog, crime, and traffic, but cheapest rent in so cal, and people are real.

WBraun

climber
May 17, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
Warbler always finds all the good stuff.

He has hawk eyes .....
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 17, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
Kind, too. Not everyone will tolerate being called a bubble boy. :-)

DMT
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 17, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
Hey, it's not my fault I was born in La Jolla 100 yds from the Pacific Ocean in the same hospital my dad was born in. I love San Diego - I didn't appreciate it growing up, but I do now. It's expensive to live by the beach, but if you do good work, people who live here and have money will pay good wages.

I don't really understand why SD is so overlooked by climbers on a national level. Could be partly because it's in the corner of the country, and the beach lifestyle is definitely the dominant culture. There is so much rock here it's incredible, and the local mountains might only reach 6,000 ft, but they're gorgeous. The desert is awesome too. San Diego's backcountry is wild as can be if you get away from the few highways that pass through it. Next to no San Diegans spend any time in the backcountry unless they're within sight of their car.

There's a lot of diversity here, culture wise. Many, many different neighborhoods, each one with a different character, lots of entertainment and food options. Traffic can be bad at the wrong time, but it's easy to work around it, mostly.

I'm trying to get access to the best climbing around the County for all you guys, but it hasn't been easy...


Sincerely,

Bubble Boy
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 17, 2013 - 10:08pm PT
There's some great bouldering down there in SD...Almost worth moving for...
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 17, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
I lived there and regret leaving. I should have made do with what I had. Housing is a challenge; but, if you realize the climate requires minimal housing (small place), then many options open up in what is reputed to be the best place on the Left Coast to live; I agree. We lived near Del Mar, Solana Beach and Cardiff, and this is the best place to live anywhere on the Pacific Coast, I think. I didn't care for the city proper; up in north county, it is awesome. If you can't afford a coastal hang up north, go slightly inland in the NE. Avoid the core and east of there. Don't dare go south.

Biggest problem is it is nearly as far from Yosemite as up here in beautiful and cheap Washington!
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 17, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
Rainbow is super good bouldering, for moderate stuff it doesn't get much better, but it's owned by climbers who don't want it public, at least not yet. There are rumors, however....

North County is nice, I'd probably live in Encinitas or Leucadia. Both those towns have a lot of soul.
WTF

climber
May 17, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
San Diego.

GHEY.


Herpes capital of the USA.

Squaw valley is calling. Return to paradise bra.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 17, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
If you want rural, Valley Center and Ramona are about an hour from the city. Alpine is closer. Lakeside is right below El Cajon Mountain and just down the hwy from Woodson. There are some nice rural throwback neighborhoods up the SD River Canyon from Lakeside toward El Capitan reservoir. Lakeside is about 25 minutes from the beach and is probably pretty dog friendly.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 18, 2013 - 01:02am PT
All the climbers I know who moved down there are now surfers. We visited and went out to Eagle Rock or whatever it is. Cool place, but the drive took WAY longer than expected. I could never consider that a "local" crag for SD.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 18, 2013 - 01:49am PT
Leucadia Is the spot. A former artist's colony. Avocado trees on city streets. A dream. I came closest to buying a place there. All one needs there is simple bivy.
salad

climber
May 18, 2013 - 02:17am PT
well i wont say anything good or bad about the place, but if you come down for a recon mission, im in escondido and can house 1 or 2 for a few nights. big yard so a coulpla dogs would be fine, prob best outside though as we have a queen feline in the house.
Charlie D.

Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
May 18, 2013 - 09:40am PT
The greatest natural asset SD has is the ocean, if you are passionate about the activity surrounding such an asset go for it. If you're passionate about mountain activity you'll be driving a whole lot both winter and summer. It's a long ways to the alpine from San Diego.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2013 - 11:31am PT
This has been very helpful. Thanks all.

Lets see some San Diego County climbing and surfing photos to keep the stoke high!

It's crazy, but I'm pretty excited to move to a place I've never even visited.

New chapters in life and all that.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 18, 2013 - 11:43am PT
Credit: The Warbler

Credit: The Warbler

Prime Rib Eagle Peak
Prime Rib Eagle Peak
Credit: The Warbler

Soy Chango
Soy Chango
Credit: The Warbler

Tribal Boundaries
Tribal Boundaries
Credit: The Warbler

Homeboy, EP
Homeboy, EP
Credit: The Warbler
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Wow, Soy Chango looks like fun, my crack skills might have to take a backseat to pulling on steep faces. I like.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
May 18, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
when you say san diego, your actually referring to san diego county. where in san diego county is the question. for each mile you go east, it is around 1 degree difference in temperature. down during the winter, and up during the summer. when you get the sd temps nationally, they are taken at lindberg field/airport, which is on san diego bay, which gets the ocean breezes. so, if its 78 at lindberg field, it can easily be 98 inland, eg. santee boulders or woodson (but maybe 88, depends on various factors, eg. time of year, overcast, fog, etc).

the only reason to move here, imo, would be its proximity to the ocean. and to either have an interest in surfing, sailing, boating/fishing, or scuba diving, etc! mission bay is an excellent place to learn to sail, and san diego bay is an excellent place to sail in and out of. plenty of great beaches to learn how to surf. other than that, you can fish for free without a license from any of the piers, or better yet, invest in a sea worthy boat.

there is always something to do outdoors in the beach/bay areas. whether its going for a walk along the beach, a bike ride, a jog or hop on a skateboard to go down and check out the surf. lots of shops, food and beverage, etc, also. but the traffic in and out of the beach areas gets backed up in the morning and evenings. you can live just east of mission bay, the rosecrans area of pt loma, pt loma itself, old town, or mission hills and have easy access to the ocean/bay.

i would also avoid pacific beach & mission beach, proper areas. but pacific beach a half a mile or so inland isn't so bad, or the la jolla foothills/north pacific beach. or on the other (east) side of I-5 with views of mission bay. la jolla is kinda pricey, although really nice and with lots of interesting things to see and do, plus people are relatively friendly/cordial. ocean beach has the traverse wall/pump wall. and if you have 4 dogs, it has dog beach where dogs can run free. and there is plenty of free parking available at the beach itself.

i would stay within 2-4 miles of the ocean or less. it gets way to hot inland. i live in lakeside, and there ain't much to do. its generally to damn hot (it was 102 the 13th of this month) during the summer to jog or ride your bike, and just doesn't have the same appeal (isn't as conducive) that the ocean or bay areas have, even to simply go for a walk. you can sit for hours by the ocean and read a book, or on the jetty watching the sailboats, etc! or walk, jog or ride your bike along the coast or out sunset cliffs. there's nothing like that out here (lakeside). the place sucks in my opinion.

woodson is fairly close to lakeside as are magnolia boulders and santee boulders, but unless your planning on going to woodson a minimum of 3+ times a week, there is no other reason to live out here unless you have horses, you would be better off living in poway or ramona. and as far as dogs go, most houses that are up for rent in san diego allow you to have dogs. you might consider the northern coastal areas (del mar & north) for proximity to the ocean and less crowds, but as far as sailing goes mission bay and san diego bay are your best bets. there are a lot of small burroughs and communities just off the I-5 corridor, like tecolote canyon and sorrento valley, or the la jolla town center, etc, or I-8 corridor like kensington, and areas of north park, tierrasanta, and many more that are within 15-20 minutes from various beaches, and great places to live. You just need to know where to look. LOTS of places to avoid, also though.

as much as i like all the various, bouldering, top rope, and climbing areas in sd county, i wouldn't move here specifically for that. its primarily the ocean that has kept me here or what has drawn me back. if your not going to take advantage of what the sea has to offer, there are many other much cheaper and better places to live, imo! but kevin w. might convince you otherwise.

and as far as real estate, rents have been steadily climbing for decades (very small 1 bedroom or 500sq/ft studios start at around $800+ a month), but as far as buying goes, prices are back down to where they were around 10-15 years ago, and its a buyers market. if you can finance, it is cheaper than renting. a house that i purchased new at 350K in '02 and went for 775K in '06/'07 is now available for around 340K! My brother and sister still have homes in the same neighborhood. Could have sold them for around 800K in '06, but would probably be on the market for months now before they could sell them for around 350K, if at all. its like that all over sd county. But evidently it has been slowly going up the past year or so. might be a good time to buy, dunno!

edit: as far as politics go, its not necessarily that conservative. the current mayor (bob filner) is a democrat & a liberal! out of the last 7 mayors, 5 were democrats and 2 were republicans. it fluctuates, just like it does nationally.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 18, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
Credit: The Warbler

Windansea on a real crappy day for surf, but you get the idea. All my surf shots are on film, this was taken by my wife - this is a block from my house.
weezy

climber
May 18, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
proximity to El Gran Trono Blanco might be worth mentioning if you want to get your big wall on.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
I've always been a cragging sort of guy, with big wall thoughts. Baja is one of those places I've never been to, but I want to spend time in.

Maybe it's predestined for me to move south and learn to climb aid in the beautiful desert.

I love the desert.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
May 18, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
the mexican food gets better the more south you go!
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 18, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
If you like desert, Baja is good as it gets. I'd be happy to spend 3 or 4 months of the year down there exploring. It's like turning back the clock 300 yrs when you get off the beaten track.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
May 18, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
i like santee quite a lot.
O.B was a surfers delight.
mexican food gets better the more south you go!!
Fletcher

Trad climber
The great state of advaita
May 18, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
What pyro said about Mexican food. It seems that wherever you go in CA or AZ, people seem to always say the best Mexican food is at the current location and south! Ha ha! But you get the idea.

My daughter went to UCSD and always enjoyed hanging in the SD area. Everyone seems to be a triathlete down there. Definitely a lot of outdoors active people one way or another.

Good luck in where you path next leads you!

Eric
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
the mexican food gets better the more south you go!

Jajaja...totally.

More climbing and surfing photos, please.

I have always had aspirations to climb on El Gran Trono Blanco. It's just that wild place in my mind.

Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
May 18, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
Brandon,
If you move to San Diego, contact me for the beta on El Gran Trono Blanco. There is excellent cragging on the several hundred one and two pitch routes in the area. Mostly bolted friction routes on superb granite, with 10 to 40 minute approaches from the truck. 2.5 hrs. drive / 95 miles
Just in case you haven't seen this thread:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=498517

Splitter has some good info and advice in recommending the coastal areas.
I'm in Ocean Beach "OB" / Pt. Loma / Sunset Cliffs. Surfing and climbing on the same day is not unusual. Perfectly mild climate. OB is very dog friendly. Somewhat overpupulated - seems there are as many dogs as people.
The downside of coastal living is the high rent.
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
May 18, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
Brandon, you wanted some photos. Here are a few, where adventure can be found just a couple hours away.

One of the many domes at Canyon Tajo
One of the many domes at Canyon Tajo
Credit: Juan Maderita

"El Milenio" (The Millennium) 5.11b, 15 pitches
"El Milenio" (The Millennium) 5.11b, 15 pitches
Credit: Juan Maderita

Riding "Tajo" at basecamp.
Riding "Tajo" at basecamp.
Credit: Juan Maderita

An early (1976) ascent of the "Happy Hooker" a south face grade V
An early (1976) ascent of the "Happy Hooker" a south face grade V
Credit: Juan Maderita

Almost surfing on a climbing day. Fred Beckey at Sunset Cliffs.
Almost surfing on a climbing day. Fred Beckey at Sunset Cliffs.
Credit: Juan Maderita
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
May 18, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
It was a great place to grow up in the 60's & 70's, but my city is gone, replaced with something bigger, meaner, and faster. Not to mention more expensive, no more brand new homes for $27,000. Then again, that's probably true for most anywhere any of us grew up. I don't get the sense from your general posting that this is a gonna-settle-down-forever kind of move for you, and this country is full of far worse places to live for a couple years, so I doubt you'd regret checking it out.

You've got plenty of input, and there's lots of great micro-location info in previous posts. If you like cragging, there's nothing to complain about the climbing, and easy weekend access to lots more great stuff.

I've loved living in the Northwest, it suits me well, but that's not to say round about every February I don't get to thinking that a month in San Diego wouldn't be bad idea.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
May 18, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
It was a great place to grow up in the 60's & 70's, but my city is gone,

Generation after generation repeats that mantra, only to find the next generation reinventing the locale. Millions of people live here, it is what you make of it. Sure, it lacks that NorCal vibe, and Carlsbad does basically suck. Oceanside is right behind Carlsbad, it is still a little blue collar, but not for much longer. The coast has become gentrified. Within a few years I too will be chanting that my city is gone and I will be headed north and east. Meanwhile GET OFF MY LAWN!

All the fear about Mexico has cut tourism down to a trickle, not a bad thing. Baja without even climbing or surfing Baja a lifetime of adventure.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
May 18, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
just a bunch of retail, no soul,

ma this ain't a place to raise your kids, in fact, it is cold as hell,

i know one cool dude down there and his name is Ron Gomez.

he is like the best dude you could ever know,




splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
May 18, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
99% of my pics are either slides or prints also.

here is a pic of a pic...
Credit: splitter
inside north o.b. jetty & some dude paddling out..

edit: outside is an A-frame peak that follows the jetty, then connects with the inside sandbar. the outside peak is generally about 1/2 again or more bigger. the ride can be 100+ yards long. best to take off outside and on the far side of the peak (next to the jetty). this can be rather dicey/sketchy. don't wanna fall cuz yer gonna most likely sacrifice your board to the jetty, and perhaps yourself. i can recall on several occasions catching my skeg for an instant on one of the submerged jetty rocks dropping in on the bottom turn. most peeps take off on either the center or right side of the peak. but for maximum barrel/rush, deep on the far'side of the peak is the way to go, and then connect with the inside sandbar and pump it on down the line. it can get really fast.

Edit: 'o.b. dog beach' is the 200/300+ yards of beach next to the north o.b. jetty! a great place to bring yer dogs!!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 20, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Not to mention more expensive, no more brand new homes for $27,000. Then again, that's probably true for most anywhere any of us grew up.

Not all of us.

Neighborhood where i was born:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/245-E-19th-Ave-Homestead-PA-15120/11294043_zpid/

These days, it's definitely a "get off my lawn!" kinda neighborhood.

Even though the average home in SD is costs ten times as much, I think I'm gonna stay here.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 20, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
five hours and you're at Whitney Portal.

Who are you kidding, man?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 20, 2013 - 06:48pm PT
Just gotta time it right Gary.

The Valley floor is 7 hrs from my house, Bishop a bit over 6.

The key to driving through LA is to do it after 8:00 pm and before 5:00 am, Sundays even better. That makes all the difference.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
May 20, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
The key to driving through LA is to do it after 8:00 pm and before 5:00 am, Sundays even better. That makes all the difference.

The truth... you can haul ass, like 80 mph all the way.
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
May 21, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
Yeah I didn't think 5 hours to Whitney Portal was unreasonable! And 6 hours to Bishop, for sure!! You can't be going 65 mph though ;-) and you can't stop to pee...
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
May 21, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
come on now, all the Mexican food doesn't necessarily get better the farther south you go in SD. Escondido, Ramona and Oceanside has some good joints too.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 21, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
Is the California Burrito a local San Diego thing?

I've never seen it anywhere else in California.
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
May 21, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
Yes, the California Burrito seems to have started in San Diego or at least SoCal. It's quite popular, so expect those burritos to travel far and wide.
Good sources are Robertos, Cotixan, Santana's and MXN. A very popular feast after surfing.

"Carne asada fries" is another heart-attack-on-a-plate that started in San Diego and is wildly popular with the teens in East County. Has anyone seen them outside SoCal yet?

I'm not sure that this is a good reason to move to San Diego. Or maybe it is. Shall we call it a thread drift, or not? lol
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
May 21, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
Can you please describe a "California Burrito?" Is it different than the typical taco place burritos?
Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
May 21, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
Grande size flour tortilla filled very full with carne asada, sour cream, cheese, french fries or wedges. Sometimes guacamole.
johntp

Trad climber
socal
May 21, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
The key to driving through LA is to do it after 8:00 pm and before 5:00 am, Sundays even better. That makes all the difference.

The truth... you can haul ass, like 80 mph all the way.

Any other time you are screwed.

SoCal traffic is a crap shoot. Can't speak for San Diego but you can pretty much count on being stop and go on any freeway in Orange County/LA/Riverside from 7 AM to 8 PM seven days a week.

If there is a wreck at anytime the drive takes forever. Might as well get a hotel and watch the tube until they get it cleared.

SoCal traffic is every bit as bad as rumored. The worst is when it is "stop. accelerate to 70 mph. 1/4 mile later jump on the brakes and stop. repeat. repeat. for miles." It really wears you down.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 21, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
There are really good Avocados in San Diego, and Citrus of all kinds.

The most Indian Reservations of any county in the US.

The Cleveland National Forest has hundreds of thousands of acres in San Diego County.

Anza-Borrego Desert State Park is 916 square miles, and has some of the loosest camping regs of any State Park.

Many mountains over 5,000 ft, some over 6,000ft.

Best surf in the US outside of Hawaii - sorry Santa Cruz...

Gateway to Baja
johntp

Trad climber
socal
May 21, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
I drive LA every other day, and I average 75-80 most the time

Where and when?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 21, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
A California Burrito has french fries in the burrito.

Kinda like a Primanti Brothers sandwich, but not nearly as good.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 27, 2013 - 11:49am PT
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
May 27, 2013 - 01:42pm PT



I dunno about you, but sunrise on Mount Woodson is hard to beat...
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 27, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
Don't hate SD because it's beautiful
other

Trad climber
LA, CA
May 27, 2013 - 03:13pm PT
Brandon, be sure you can earn enough to live in one of the nations most expensive cities. If you move here with no job you'll burn through your savings quickly. You need a minimum of $4000/month net take home to live anywhere in sd county at a LOWER middle class level. Everything here from food to gasoline to rent to electricity is much higher the the national average. The unemployment rate is high. Construction and carpentry jobs are not plentiful. As others have mentioned, sd is much more of an ocean/bay place then a rock/mountain place.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
May 27, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
Hey Other, it isn't always about money. Plenty of dirtbags loving life in san diego (I was one...)
other

Trad climber
LA, CA
May 27, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
There are a huge number of homeless, beggars and people sleeping in their vehicles in San Diego. They don't need competition for scarce low cost housing, parking places and social resources. Yes when it comes to housing it is about money.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 27, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Don't compete with the homeless? What an argument.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 27, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
"SoCal traffic is every bit as bad as rumored."

As a born & raised So Cal native, that's very true.

If you get stuck in it.

It's all about learning the daily/weekly patterns, and finding travel routes & timing that avoids the worst places at the worst times.

That's the crux, though- So Cal is a big place, and there are a lot of micro-patterns to learn. And even with careful planning, the oddball accident sometimes throws everything out the window.

Besides careful planning, a good smart phone traffic app is quite helpful, as are a few radio stations that do regular traffic reports. Have a Plan B in mind, &/or be ready to create one on the fly if necessary.
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