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nutjob

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Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Topic Author's Original Post - May 14, 2013 - 01:16am PT
http://www.npr.org/2013/05/14/183810320/justice-department-secretly-obtains-ap-phone-records

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/13/justice-department-secretly-obtains-ap-phone-records/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/05/13/justice-department-associated-press-telephone-records/2156521/

This is a slippery slope... government pushing back against the investigative powers of the press. Maybe some validity to find the source of a government leak, but at what bigger risk to the health of an independent and vigorous investigative press that is a critical function in regulating the excesses of government?

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 14, 2013 - 06:25am PT
I agree that this is a troubling development.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 14, 2013 - 06:42am PT
The phone companies caved in long ago. They should only release info with a court order.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
May 14, 2013 - 06:47am PT
This is a jailable offense IMO. Same with them recording all phone calls and emails. Total bullsh#t.
DickMcfartin

Ice climber
soewhere over the rainbow....
May 14, 2013 - 07:01am PT
Scary sh#t...
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 14, 2013 - 07:18am PT
It is a tricky issue.

I'm a big advocate of freedom of the press.

But I also understand that the government must keep some information a secret.

Bradley Manning attempted to use "freedom of the press" as a defense against his wholesale distribution of massive amounts of classified information. It was a bullshit argument.

But there have been important, legitimate situations where journalists used classified information to expose government corruption and abuse of power:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_papers

The nuances will need to be settled in the courts. Of course the media will try to dumb it down.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 14, 2013 - 07:31am PT
There's a big difference between exposing corruption and national security. Hang 'em high.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 14, 2013 - 07:35am PT
Hang 'em high.

I've got the noose ready!

Uh...wait....who are we hanging?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
May 14, 2013 - 08:04am PT
what bigger risk to the health of an independent and vigorous investigative press that is a critical function in regulating the excesses of government?


what independent and vigorous investigative press?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 14, 2013 - 08:09am PT
^^^Excellent point^^^, Mister Icey
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 14, 2013 - 08:18am PT
what independent and vigorous investigative press?

why Fox News of course
Eric Beck

Sport climber
Bishop, California
May 14, 2013 - 08:25am PT
Remember a few years ago when Bill Belichick received a hefty fine for stealing the defensive signals from the Jets? I thought this was ludicrous; that if the Jets wanted their signals to remain confidential they should disguise them a little bit better.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 14, 2013 - 08:31am PT
How did he know those signals weren't disinformation?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 08:34am PT
but at what bigger risk to the health of an independent and vigorous investigative press that is a critical function in regulating the excesses of government?

hahahaaaa... independent and vigorous investigative press... hahahaaaaa!
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
May 14, 2013 - 08:37am PT
if barry has lost andrea mitchell, well...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2013/05/14/andrea-mitchell-irs-ap-scandals-among-most-outrageous-excesses-ive


nobody suffered more leaks than W; if his doj had illegally acquired the phone records of any press org, you libs would be screaming "impeach!"

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
May 14, 2013 - 08:47am PT
^^^^^^^^^^

Oh, that independent and vigorous investigative press...
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 14, 2013 - 08:48am PT
'vigorous investigative press"

What is that, anyway? Journalistic independence & integrity has become pretty hard to find these days.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 14, 2013 - 08:49am PT
Ewe sheeple really are clueless as to what's
in store for us, aren't you?

Don't know what's in store fer u but I'm goin cragging
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
May 14, 2013 - 09:02am PT
from john yoo:

"The Justice Department's seizure of the AP's phone records shows that this administration cares far more about power than political and civil liberty. It has intruded on the freedom of the press in ways that the allegedly power-hungry Bush Administration would never have dreamed.

When the Bush administration was wracked with the leaks of classified information about its counter-terrorism policies, most notably its interrogation and electronic surveillance programs, Democrats in Congress happily took advantage of the information. Nary a peep was heard about protecting national security and preventing the media from publishing classified information.

But now President Obama has to live in the leak-happy world that he and his colleagues created to undermine the last administration. And they don't like it. Unlike the Bush administration, however, they are willing to go to lengths that threaten the freedom of the press to stop it -- this administration has conducted far more investigations and prosecutions for leaking than its predecessors. And, for the most part, this administration has gotten away with it from the press, which has given them a pass on civil liberties compared to how they treated Republicans.

I deplore the Obama administration's assault on freedom of the press. But I have no sympathy for the AP or the mainstream media, because this is how you get treated when you are in a politician's pocket. If the AP's editors and reporters and their colleagues at other newspapers had been more adversarial toward this President, as they were with President Bush, they would been treated with far more respect. The AP should wish for a return of the days of a Republican administration, which considered the press a worthy adversary, rather than a servant to be mistreated at will."
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 14, 2013 - 09:25am PT
bookworm, [edit] John Yoo is a moran and that is one of the most pathetic examples of pandering to idiots on the right I have ever seen.
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