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jTaylor

climber
Portland OR
Topic Author's Original Post - May 14, 2013 - 03:33am PT
Ok so I was reading some "where to move to in California" posts but wanted to make my own since its a little more specific.

While reading most these posts, people talk about an issue of finding work. For me, this isn't a real issue to find work but more so of where I could live and work. I can basically work anywhere I please but I do have one need. A garage. Specifically a garage that isn't crammed into other houses or directly beneath them to be ideal for safety reasons (I would have liquid oxygen inside, propane outside).

I lived in Ventura, not terrible but not the greatest - I left after breaking up with an ex who I ended up living/working with there. Now I find myself back on the east coast trying to plan where to move to next.

I thought at first Bishop would be great. Close to Yosemite, Mt.Whitney, and of course bouldering and other climbing but was a little disappointed when I saw the population is less than 4k on Wikipedia! When I drove through I knew it'd be small (which is nice) but didn't expect it to be that small. I was also a little bummed out that there is no gym after searching (maybe im wrong). Although I want to get into outdoor climbing much more, I find a gym to be a must to climb reliably in any weather as well as with a nice social atmosphere that may be more difficult for a new-to-towner to find outside.

So now I wonder, where could be ideal? My biggest concern, will be finding a home with a garage. Renting a studio is possible also but far more expensive and more of a hassle to travel to work compared to having it right there.

It would be nice to find somewhere some what permanant as I've lived from Vancouver Canada to Ventura California over the past few years with no where ever to call home since I've always been somewhat on the move.

I'm 25, could spend about 1k a month tops but would ideally spend 700-850 with a garage included. Would be nice to live in a small town area, but I do think Bishop could be a little too small and ultimately more lonely.

Any advice? Other than Bishop I think Santa Cruz could be nice and somewhat close to Yosemite. And close to me is about 5 hours tops... I did drive 15 hours to Yosemite and 17 hours roughly to Whitney this past Fall-Winter with no real problem... But it would be awesome to be even closer if I were somewhere long term!!!
Amber.C

climber
May 14, 2013 - 04:46am PT
If what's holding you back is the lack of a gym, you should really just move to Bishop. The only reason you truly need a gym in places like Colorado is the winter--Bishop weather is great for climbing year round. And almost 300 days of sun a year.

It IS a small town, so if that's the problem that's a different thing.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 14, 2013 - 09:28am PT
$1000/month with garage in cal may be your real hurdle. And yeah you don't need a gym in bishop except possibly in the dead of summer, but if you can drive to the hills that's that!
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
May 14, 2013 - 09:34am PT
I sounds like a Joshua Tree budget.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 14, 2013 - 09:35am PT
Susanville. Alturas. Get a double-wide on some property with a barn.

DMT
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
May 14, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
... I do have one need. A garage. Specifically a garage that isn't crammed into other houses or directly beneath them to be ideal for safety reasons (I would have liquid oxygen inside, propane outside).

Welder or liquid rocket motor developer?

khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
May 14, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
I find a gym to be a must to climb reliably in any weather as well as with a nice social atmosphere that may be more difficult for a new-to-towner to find outside.

Dude, this is California.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 14, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
Susanville. Alturas. Get a double-wide on some property with a barn.

Did you just advise someone to move to Snoozinville?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 14, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
I know where this dood lives. I can hook you up!
Do you know how to cook meth? If so you could drive a Maserati too!

Credit: Reilly
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
May 14, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
I live in a Menlo studio for a grand a month, so good luck with that buddy. Haha, snoozinville!

But seriously, "I don't wanna move to BISHOP bc there's no climbing gym there" is the best laugh I've had in a while.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 14, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
There's LOTS of small towns that fit the bill.

You probably want to add some qualifiers to narrow it down. e.g. big airport within an hour, or town of 20,000 people within 20 minutes, or 2 hours to Yosemite, 2 hours to the ocean, etc.

Bishop is going to be relatively expensive compared to say the Gold Country, because SoCal money is going to go up the East Side for second homes.

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
May 14, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
If I was a landlord I'd probably want to hear a little more about your liquid oxygen and propane operations.

michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 14, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
25, $1k a month.... find some roomates! In sac there are 3-4 bedrooms for around 1.2k with garages built external. You can do it.
Baggins

Boulder climber
May 14, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
"I don't wanna move to BISHOP bc there's no climbing gym there" is the best laugh I've had in a while

+1 :)
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
May 14, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
If the eastside is someplace you like, try Reno.
jTaylor

climber
North Shore Massachusetts
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
"$1000/month with garage in cal may be your real hurdle."

Didn't seem to unrealistic when I have the Santa Cruz CL a look earlier. There was at least two studios with garages but with the owner living on site which is never ideal...

"I sounds like a Joshua Tree budget."

Good thinking,still haven't been there.

"If I was a landlord I'd probably want to hear a little more about your liquid oxygen and propane operations."

Yea for sure. Chances are not all landlords are ok with having a glassblowing studio in their garage.

"25, $1k a month.... find some roomates! In sac there are 3-4 bedrooms for around 1.2k with garages built external. You can do it."

I do want a roommate or two possibly... Just worry about having someone bother me while I am working. I just left a glass studio of 7 people while renting a separate apartment before moving into my car to save money. The studio was nice but ended up annoying me to never have my own space as I've had before in the past. I would always hear others overly loud music and tv shows (specifically loud shitty music that was louder than my headphones I wore).

I worry that roommates would want to hang out in my work space since glass interests people like that. It doesn't really interest me much anymore and I'd prefer to just work efficiently so I can be in the shop less with no distractions. Also the idea of seeing your roommates at work and home is a little bothersome... I know this because I did leave my apartment and sleep in my car for 8 months in the studio parking lot... So essentially, some coworkers were almost like roommates. We got tired of each other fairly quick after that point.

""I don't wanna move to BISHOP bc there's no climbing gym there" is the best laugh I've had in a while"

It's nice to be able to stop working and head to the gym and climb as much as possible for an hour the head back to work with out taking the time to find problems.. Climbing outdoors is more time consuming. In and ideal world I could care less about a gym, in a realistic world where I like to save money to travel - using time efficiently counts. Outdoor climbing to me is more of a treat than indoor. I am used to climbing mostly inside at this point also, it helps me progress quicker as a climber. With that said, I think bishop is too small anyways... I come for. A town of roughly 5k.

Thanks for the replies guys :)
tornado

climber
lawrence kansas
May 14, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
You sure do like to move a lot and real fast at that. In one day you moved from Portland to Massachusetts. Wow!
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
May 14, 2013 - 04:57pm PT
Yea for sure. Chances are not all landlords are ok with having a glassblowing studio in their garage.

Whatcha makin? :D
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 14, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
Riverside. Multiple climbing gyms, cheap housing, close to year round climbing. Big enough city to have whatever you need, but without the traffic hell of LA proper. Lots of young folks, and especially lots of college aged ladies at the gyms, due to UCR. Sun shines all the time, mild winters.

Driving times approx: Riverside Quarry 10min, Rubidoux 5min, Holcomb 40min, Tram 40min, Idyllwild 1hr, JT 1hr15, Woodson, 1hr45, Red Rock 4hr, Mt Lemmon 5.5hr, Needles 5.5hr, Cochise 6hr, Valley 7hr.

Otherwise, pick a central valley town or high desert town, they mostly all suck, but some more than others.

Vegas might work for you. Not my particular cup of tea, but I'm not 25 anymore either. Tucson, Phoenix, Reno, all worth looking at.
jTaylor

climber
North Shore Massachusetts
Topic Author's Reply - May 14, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
"You sure do like to move a lot and real fast at that. In one day you moved from Portland to Massachusetts. Wow!"

Haha when I started this account I was in Portland hoping to climb outdoors a bit more but never got around to it but changed it to where home is now in MA. Although in a little less than three years I did live in Vancouver BC, Portland OR, and Ventura CA... I would already have a home in CA right now but I decided to travel/get away so I'm actually in Thailand now writing these post during my down times. I do like to move around though ;)

"Whatcha makin? :D"

Mostly pipes, which is why California is ideal and I don't even mention Utah as an option. Although I've still yet to visit Utah or Colorado despite driving across country twice... Ill be hitting both on my next trip west though for sure.

Nice breakdown Elcapinyoazz. Ill have to double check into riverside! Only been there once.... Didn't seem terrible. I like how close it is to so much.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 14, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
Were you into climbing before you went into the Witness Protection system?
Bargainhunter

climber
May 14, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
For your budget and garage needs, I'd say the Central Valley would be your best bet if you aren't that picky for sophistication and don't mind summer heat. You could have a nice garage workspace in a number of different cities/towns. Pick a town close to the climbing destination or other interests that you like best.

Bakersfield > Needles

Visalia > Sequoia National Park

Fresno > King Canyon National Park

Modesto/Merced > Yosemite

Redding > Castle Crags/ Shasta

Granted, the Central Valley does have many drawbacks. You'll have to prioritize what you really want. If you want city sophistication, LA and SF are great (and still not that unbearably far form great climbing), but you'll have to pay premium for rent and you won't have an ideal live/work space for your budget. Planet Granite is SF is a well liked gym by many, Metal Mark is a relatively new gym in Fresno.

The Inland Empire (Redlands/San Bernardino) is sort of a mix between the drawbacks of the Central Valley and the benefits of the big cities and has more amenities due to it's proximity to LA/Palm Springs. You'd have great access to Taquitz/Suicide/J Tree plus great hiking around San Gorgonio etc. (even backcountry skiing in winter).

Reno/ Las Vegas are also great outdoor towns to consider.

There is no ideal. All towns are compromises and have opportunity costs. You just have to pick your priorities. If it's not the best fit, you can always move on.

The nice thing about the Central Valley is that you can buy a house for $70k with a big backyard and pool, so if cheap overhead is important to you, there is really no where else in California that affordable to set up shop.
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Menlo Park
May 14, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
I say Bakersfield or Lancaster , with all the people cooking meth in their garage you'll fit right in .
Onewhowalksonrocks

Mountain climber
In the middle of the ocean
May 14, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
Well I have something for you.

san luis Obispo or Santa Barbara I know SB has a gym.

How about getting a list of climbing gyms and go from there. Since it seems to be a deal breaker.
WBraun

climber
May 14, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
Real men have a garage.

Real men build an empire out of it.

Hewlett-Packard, Steve Jobs and millions of others ......
Nobacon

climber
May 14, 2013 - 05:40pm PT
Morongo Valley.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 14, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
^^^
Oh dear lord. Why? That's just mean.
Roughster

Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
May 14, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
If I was in your shoes I would be looking at Redding. Small town feel but a decent size population. Sh#t tons of stuff to do beyond awesome semi-local climbing. Fishing, hiking, kayaking, etc.. If you love outdoors it has got to be one of the cooler areas in the state. Also, if "pipe-making" is your main business, you have a nice easy path to get behind the green curtain and your primary customers.

Another place that should be high on your list is Auburn / Grass Valley areas. Might be hard to find a place that fits on your budget but I bet you could.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
May 15, 2013 - 02:04am PT
25 years old and making bongs, landlord is gonna have some concerns beyond the LOX. As a landlord who lives on the property, I find that it works very well. JT is a perfect fit, cheap, lots of heat and a customer base
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 15, 2013 - 02:10am PT
Yeah, the biggest drawback to Bishop is the lack of a climbing gym... hahahaaaaa!
jTaylor

climber
North Shore Massachusetts
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 11:54am PT

"Were you into climbing before you went into the Witness Protection system?"

-No, wish I was! Never found a good gym until I went to one in California... :P

-Great info Bargainhunter. Not sure if I could put up with the Central Valley from what I know about it but ill look into it and keep it in mind... I know I went to SF once, well drove through it with the intention of staying the night at a hotel but left because it seemed shitty to me to be honest and super overrated (like NYC)

"I say Bakersfield or Lancaster , with all the people cooking meth in their garage you'll fit right in ."

 yea but then I gotta worry about my stock material getting stolen for crack pipes, already had to deal with that in Portland Oregon.

"san luis Obispo or Santa Barbara I know SB has a gym.

How about getting a list of climbing gyms and go from there. Since it seems to be a deal breaker."

 SLO is a maybe, but didn't seem to have much going on when I stayed there for a week. Although I was probably a bit on the outskirts since I was on a farm like area.

I did love SB and Goleta isn't very pricey next door. Although the local rock is pretty terrible aside from a few gems. Ojai is where I did all my lead climbing and outdoor sport climbing I've done so far, so at least I got a taste for it there... But I do kinda stray away from the idea of SB due to the weird vibes of the glass scene there since my ex is from Ventura and is friends with the cheesy SB glassblowers (I found them to be kinda fake). If it wasn't such a tiny area (which is usually ideal since I like the size of SB) I'd be planning to move to Goleta/SB.

I have been looking at a map of climbing gyms though trying to pin point some spots, it mostly lead to the idea of Santa Cruz or Tahoe area.

"Real men have a garage.

Real men build an empire out of it.

Hewlett-Packard, Steve Jobs and millions of others ......"

 hahaha word...

"Oh dear lord. Why? That's just mean."

 lol

"If I was in your shoes I would be looking at Redding. Small town feel but a decent size population. Sh#t tons of stuff to do beyond awesome semi-local climbing. Fishing, hiking, kayaking, etc.. If you love outdoors it has got to be one of the cooler areas in the state. Also, if "pipe-making" is your main business, you have a nice easy path to get behind the green curtain and your primary customers.

Another place that should be high on your list is Auburn / Grass Valley areas. Might be hard to find a place that fits on your budget but I bet you could."

 redding is a possibility... Although it might be a little too close to Humboldt nonsense for me. I really despise the wookies and glasstards of NorCal... Some of the most boring people I've worked with and met are from NorCal who are just so obsessed with weed that it makes you want to quit smoking after hanging out in that area. I'll look into Auburn and Grass Valley since they are new to me.

"25 years old and making bongs, landlord is gonna have some concerns beyond the LOX. As a landlord who lives on the property, I find that it works very well. JT is a perfect fit, cheap, lots of heat and a customer base"

 yea at least I've been doing it since 16 and full time as work since 18 so i got it down pretty well and fairly professionally. I usually just tell people who im not sure of that i make pendants and marbles anyways so telling them i make pipes isnt a total must.. Does JT have a section on CL or is there a nearby area to search? Like I said I've never been so I don't know much about the area of it.

"Yeah, the biggest drawback to Bishop is the lack of a climbing gym... hahahaaaaa!"

-na the biggest drawback is a tiny population. The lack of a gym makes it all the tricker for a new towner to feel at home with some local friends if not many live there. :p
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 15, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
Bakersfield > Needles

Visalia > Sequoia National Park

Fresno > King Canyon National Park

Modesto/Merced > Yosemite

Redding > Castle Crags/ Shasta

Trona > Granite Falls
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 15, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Does JT have a section on CL or is there a nearby area to search

Palm Springs CL is the closest, and where the JT, 29, Yucca valley, etc listings are.
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Menlo Park
May 15, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
I would pass on San Luis Obispo if making pipes for dope smokers is your business ... I went to Cal Poly grad school , and lived there for several years. SLO definitely leans conservative although it tries real hard to present it self as a progressive little bubble ...

there is a nice bouldering gym there .

I gotta think that Jtree might be prime for you .
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 15, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
Susanville and a pipe maker,, the perfect match..
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 15, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
To save you a trip to Joshua Tree here's a representative shot of what
passes for culture there...(jess sayin')

Credit: Reilly

Anastasia

climber
Home
May 15, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
If you buy a house in the Oaks in Santa Paula, CA. You will have all that and more. We had left our garage wide open with all my Dad's tools, our climbing, camping gear, etc. Came home a week later and all was still there. I don't advise doing that, but it is nice that we didn't get it stolen You can't buy that kind of environment and...

The properties are big here. Lots of big garages apart from houses, a few are even old barns. Houses rarely go on sale in this neighborhood, but when they do... It's worth a little extra to be in an extraordinary neighborhood.
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
May 15, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
Credit: guido
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
May 16, 2013 - 12:52am PT
I can't count how many head shops there are on Hwy 50 in South Lake Tahoe. There is also a pretty steady supply of seasonal worker broheims who probably bust their pipes trying to dislodge a resin plug from the carb with a straightened hanger or forget to take their onie out of their back pockets and crush them when they jump on the chairlift during their liftie breaks. You can probably move a lot of glass here.

For $1300 or less you can get a 3 bedroom with 2 car garage. Crossfit gym is minutes away but no real rock gym.
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
May 16, 2013 - 01:47am PT
At first it seemed like "it's all about the garage",
but from your discussion of different locations,
you rule places out based on how cool the local glassblowers are,
or a driveby view of SF.
And your dismissal of Bishop based on how its "small population and no gym means it will be hard to find people to climb with" is kinda sad.
Have you heard of bouldering before? You can meet people climbing on boulders. :-)

More practically, it sounds like you need to do your own (less superficial) tour of different locations and meet the local glass folks. Check out the local outside climbing/climbers, too - it is not all about gyms in Cali (and Nevada).
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
May 16, 2013 - 01:50am PT
So Lake Tahoe, best suggestion yet.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 16, 2013 - 02:17am PT
The lack of a gym makes it all the tricker for a new towner to feel at home with some local friends if not many live there.

Tahoe lacks that too. Although Incline has a good gym (High Altitude). As far as I can tell the only place to really hang out and meet cool people is DSky, Whiskey Dicks, or Raley's.

A HUGE pothead friend from Boulder came through South Lake a few years ago and was "hella impressed" by the head shops. Maybe more than a few years. Several dispensaries have been shut down over the last year or two.
Michelle

Social climber
1187 Hunterwasser
May 16, 2013 - 02:29am PT
Tuolumne City?
jTaylor

climber
North Shore Massachusetts
Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2013 - 10:00am PT
"Trona > Granite Falls"

 good to know

"Palm Springs CL is the closest, and where the JT, 29, Yucca valley, etc listings are."

-thank you!

"I gotta think that Jtree might be prime for you ."

 yea sounds like it could be the spot!

"Susanville and a pipe maker,, the perfect match.."

 ill look into it, never heard of it. I don't like to think of myself as a pipe maker first and foremost though... Many pipers I know pride them self on their occupation, personally I'm more proud of being self employed than being a glassblower... I think the glass scene is extremely lame me find myself much more interested in the climbing scene by far!!! I appreciate my job but don't exactly appreciate revolving your life around it.

"To save you a trip to Joshua Tree here's a representative shot of what
passes for culture there...(jess sayin')"

 lol well that's not the best picture to represent JT for me since I drink a few times a year beyond a single beer and will never get a tattoo... Hahaha. I don't mind hanging out with the tattooed drinkers though.

"If you buy a house in the Oaks in Santa Paula, CA. You will have all that and more. We had left our garage wide open with all my Dad's tools, our climbing, camping gear, etc. Came home a week later and all was still there. I don't advise doing that, but it is nice that we didn't get it stolen You can't buy that kind of environment and...

The properties are big here. Lots of big garages apart from houses, a few are even old barns. Houses rarely go on sale in this neighborhood, but when they do... It's worth a little extra to be in an extraordinary neighborhood."

 Ill add Santa Paula to the list of considerations! I went hiking by the college before and thought it was cool, despite the graffiti all over the rocks by the waterfall...damn kids!

"I can't count how many head shops there are on Hwy 50 in South Lake Tahoe. There is also a pretty steady supply of seasonal worker broheims who probably bust their pipes trying to dislodge a resin plug from the carb with a straightened hanger or forget to take their onie out of their back pockets and crush them when they jump on the chairlift during their liftie breaks. You can probably move a lot of glass here.

For $1300 or less you can get a 3 bedroom with 2 car garage. Crossfit gym is minutes away but no real rock gym."

 hahaha good call... Although to be honest though I don't sell to shops and always sell direct via online. Shops pay or want to pay half of my retail value so they can sell things at a profit. I also don't sell any pipes for less than $200 usually if ever so I don't have any real need to rely on shops/random people since my customer base is loyal and something I'm very grateful for.

"At first it seemed like "it's all about the garage,
but from your discussion of different locations,
you rule places out based on how cool the local glassblowers are,
or a driveby view of SF.
And your dismissal of Bishop based on how its "small population and no gym means it will be hard to find people to climb with" is kinda sad.
Have you heard of bouldering before? You can meet people climbing on boulders. :-)

More practically, it sounds like you need to do your own (less superficial) tour of different locations and meet the local glass folks. Check out the local outside climbing/climbers, too - it is not all about gyms in Cali (and Nevada)."

 Well with out the garage I can't work from home and save money not renting a studio to work in, so it will always be key. Especially if I'd like to be somewhere longer term than a year.

If you had people you worked with in an industry that you didn't like, wouldn't you opt for the luxury or not working near them? I know I would for the most part. It's not like there's no way I'd move to SB but I would like to keep my options open and my mind open beyond somewhere I've lived right by when I know the potential discomfort that would be brought by being there.

The drive by view of SF was simply proof to myself of what kind of city it is by the way it's setup. Vancouver BC is personally still the only city I'd ever imagine myself moving to happily which I've been to. I'm not a huge fan of city's like many other people. For example, I think NYC is a total hell hole. Most people love NYC or the idea of it... I was hanging out with two from SF today who said I'd love it, but still I dunno. I will keep my mind open a bit toward it still despite my first impressions.

Of course you can meet people bouldering also, I personally find the gym a little more realistic to meet people though. Everyone is different, I'm more on the shy side in person and usually wouldn't just walk up to others (who'd usually be in groups) outdoors compared to in the gym.

"Tahoe lacks that too. Although Incline has a good gym (High Altitude). As far as I can tell the only place to really hang out and meet cool people is DSky, Whiskey Dicks, or Raley's.

A HUGE pothead friend from Boulder came through South Lake a few years ago and was "hella impressed" by the head shops. Maybe more than a few years. Several dispensaries have been shut down over the last year or two."

 well at the very least there seemed to be about 3 gyms near Tahoe when I looked last if my memory is serving me right. I also wouldn't consider myself a huge pothead anymore either so weed things are not a huge incentive beyond being in a state with laws that make me comfortable working there (this is why I think twice about Utah).. Still, I started in MA with glass and ill be back there before moving west so it isn't a total deal breaker... Actually, after visiting Yosemite I was inspired to quit smoking. I quit for 5 months before being in Nepal, which lead to me starting again... And here I am in Thailand smoking every so often. Although I am over my habit being as excessive as it has been in the past years... Too many more important things in life to spend money and time on, specifically traveling.

"Tuolumne City?"

 another I've never heard of ill have to look into it, thank you!
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 16, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
There's lots of garages in San Diego County, and loads of rock too, ridiculous amounts of bouldering and lots of multipitch routes up to 5 pitches.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1010167/notes-on-San-Diego-rock-climbing

Many gyms, the biggest on the west coast, last I checked is Mesa Rim

http://www.mesarim.com/rock_climbing/

Surf, jobs, Mexico, nice weather, Sea World, we got it all - it's not called America's Finest City for nothin'

There's a ridiculous quantity of hotties running around here too
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 17, 2013 - 09:30am PT
San Diego is in The Bubble. Forgive him, he doesn't know. Its an attribute of being in there... the inability to see it or understand a POV from outside the bubble.

For the most part you have to win the lottery or start the f*#k over or already be a made woman, to just walk into the bubble and be happy.

Sorry, its true. The left coast is the best coast but the cost of entry is quite high.

Check your soul at the door. Oh there are huge garages and cheap rents, in Mephisto California. The Homeowners Association has some strange tenets however.

DMT
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 17, 2013 - 10:02am PT
You're right to a point, Dingus, but there are lower income communities in San Diego, they don't get the press that the coastal enclaves do, but plenty of single guys and girls make a living and pay rent on a low income round here. You have to sacrifice space to be by the beach, but the ocean stabilizes the weather to what has to be some of the best in America. Imperial Beach, Ocean Beach, and Pacific Beach all have reasonable rents. If you want space for the same dollar there are inland communities that get more rural and cheaper as you move inland. The downside is they also get hotter in the summer months, but they're closer to the climbing.

Tahquitz, Suicide, and all the world class bouldering of the tram and Black Mountain are a bit over 2 hours away. Josh is about 3 hours, and the excellent climbing within the County is only just beginning to become public knowledge. El Gran Trono Blanco is just over the border also.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 17, 2013 - 10:35am PT
I know dude its paradise down there. :-)

DMT
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 17, 2013 - 10:45am PT
You can check out any time you like

But you can never leave
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 17, 2013 - 11:16am PT


You can check out any time you like

But ( at least some, say) you can never lease....
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 17, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
Chatsworth

Stoney, except during rain (which doesn't happen anymore in Ca)
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