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bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
May 9, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
what's a lib to do when their beloved un is responsible for giving a nation to their personification of evil?

by the way, the only way hawking would be born today is to a pro-life mother
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 9, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
Bookworm's right, cuz ultrasound machines can predict ALS decades in advance now.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 9, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
bookworm is a fuking moran. I'm saddened that we have to share this world with the likes of him.
gonzo chemist

climber
Fort Collins, CO
May 9, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
Hawking is a scientist of tremendous integrity. As one of the greatest thinkers in his field, he publicly announced at a conference in Dublin that he was WRONG about a theory that he (and Kip Thorne) defended for 30 years. That takes some real humility.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
May 9, 2013 - 06:31pm PT

“Despite his reputation in the West as a "dove", Peres' career to date includes war crimes in Lebanon, support for collective punishment of Palestinians in Gaza, and, in private discussions, incitement against non-Jewish citizens. Anyone would do well to avoid a conference hosted by such a hypocrite. Simply not being Ariel Sharon does not really cut it; Peres should be scheduled for a trip to The Hague, not welcoming foreign dignitaries and celebrities.”


Todays:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/05/20135953058699815.html

Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
May 9, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
Isn't that the same picture of Hillary they show patients in Hospital ERs to help treat individuals checking in with erections lasting more than 4 hours? Cialis and Viagra induced erections just don't stand a chance.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 9, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
Retinas dont stand a chance lol!
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 9, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
by the way, the only way hawking would be born today is to a pro-life mother

Showing off yer smarts again, eh bookworm?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyotrophic_lateral_sclerosis




Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 9, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
Isn't that the same picture of Hillary they show patients in Hospital ERs to help treat individuals checking in with erections

Uh, Rodger? You ain't exactly Clark Gable, brah.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
May 10, 2013 - 09:29am PT
the (il)liberal (il)logic of moral relativity:

in 1973 hawking attended a conference in the ussr AFTER the soviets brutally oppressed uprisings in hungary and czeck...the soviets, by the way, also sent dissident scientists to the gulag

in 2007 hawking attended the physics olympiad in iran where they still stone adultresses, hang homosexuals, and persecute non-muslims


what's life like in israel? 1.6 million arabs live in insrael (20% of the population) with full citizenship rights; they vote; serve in the knesset, on the supreme court, in the foreign service, in the media, on the police forces, and even in the military

yep, sounds terribly oppressive to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWwCKvvodBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLgDQzDNr1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT6iKFQDEP4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etDb5tXPawc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZEGsnWZKh8




winston smith is dead
Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
May 10, 2013 - 09:50am PT
his pursuit for the theory of everything
must be pretty demanding.

no time for anything else
when you're tieing a bow around infinity.
gonzo chemist

climber
Fort Collins, CO
May 10, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
mt10190,

I wasn't commenting on Hawking's personal life. You misread my post. Perhaps I wasn't clear.....sheesh. Get your panties untwisted and relax...it seems like YOU'RE the one who needs to get out for a bit of climbing.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
May 10, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Stephen Hawkings has integrity? He cheated on his wife. You call that integrity?

I call that impressive as hell. The dude can't even speak on his own.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 10, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
I rejoice reading that Professor Hawking is boycotting the upcoming conference in Jerusalem. Now...if he would only join the Kardashian boycott.

Signing the petition calling for E! to cease public abuse and stop airing all Kardashian-related programming... would title him forever as Practicing Professor of Proper, Pure and Aboveboard Principle

My ears will be glued to the BBC....
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
May 10, 2013 - 06:13pm PT
Middle of June with this conference?

Even if the Israelis worked 24/7 days no way they will get the second DOME in place to protect the speakers or attendees. It is to be finished by the earliest 2015.

Do not understand why our State Dept. has not said not a good time to visit this time and in the next month and being even in the vicinity or hotels where they are staying; of course they still have 39 days to say.


Kardashian boycott: it's un-American to do such a thing. where do I sign.



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
May 10, 2013 - 06:32pm PT
The Iron dome system is truck mounted and palletized.

They can move one in a matter of hours if required.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
May 10, 2013 - 07:18pm PT
TGT

"They can move one in a matter of hours if required."

They will not have hours to deploy they need seconds to deploy.

That is the old or first generation system. The US promised [negotiated excuse me] with the funds {billions] procured to Israel that is on the list [second generation]. South Lebanon is where the Israelis need more protection or are more vulnerable.

That is why Lebanon did not get involved when Gaza and Israel were exchanging rockets. They have more since and that is why Israel shot in Syrian space and the destruction in the delivery of more of these.

Stay tuned.
gonzo chemist

climber
Fort Collins, CO
May 10, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
mt10910,

I'm glad to hear your friend woke up from the coma. I sincerely wish him a full recovery, and hope he can get back out to the mountains soon.

At your behest, I did a bit of reading. I don't respect S.H.'s personal life decisions regarding his marriage to Jane Wilde, and I would certainly never defend them.

However, I will stand by my statement that I believe his admission that he was wrong concerning the "cosmic censorship conjecture" warrants merit.

You're absolutely correct that disproving theories is a cornerstone of science. However, I've seen enough of competing egos to know that not all scientists are always so willing to publicly admit they're wrong. I work in a field where experimental design is very easy compared to the contentious world of theoretical physics. I can only imagine the heated debates, and the resulting firmly entrenched positions.

And with that, I'm going for a run before it starts raining again...

Ciao.




Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
May 11, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
http://www.alternet.org/5-reasons-why-smartest-man-world-right-boycott-israel

5 Reasons Why the Smartest Man in the World Is Right to Boycott Israel
Stephen Hawking should be commended for pulling out of an Israeli conference as a protest at Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

May 9, 2013 |


As announced by the British Committee for the Universities of Palestine ( BRICUP) and subsequently covered by The Guardian, Reuters and others, world-renowned theoretical physicist and cosmologist Professor Stephen Hawking has decided to heed the Palestinian call for boycott, and pull out of an Israeli conference hosted by President Shimon Peres in June. After initial confusion, this was confirmed - Hawking is staying away on political grounds.

Here are five reasons why Professor Hawking is right to boycott:

5. Whitewashing apartheid

The Israeli government and various lobby groups use events such as the "Presidential Conference" to whitewash Israel's crimes past and present, a tactic sometimes referred to as "rebranding". As a Ministry of Foreign Affairs official put it after the 2009 Gaza massacre, it is the kind of approach that means sending "well-known novelists and writers overseas, theatre companies, [and] exhibits" in order to "show Israel's prettier face, so we are not thought of purely in the context of war". " Brand Israel" is all about creating a positive image for a country that is the target of human rights campaigners the world over - as if technological innovations or high-profile conferences can hide the reality of occupation and ethnic cleansing.

4. Shimon Peres

Despite his reputation in the West as a "dove", Peres' career to date includes war crimes in Lebanon, support for collective punishment of Palestinians in Gaza, and, in private discussions, incitementagainst non-Jewish citizens. Anyone would do well to avoid a conference hosted by such a hypocrite. Simply not being Ariel Sharon does not really cut it; Peres should be scheduled for a trip to The Hague, not welcoming foreign dignitaries and celebrities.

3. Boycott is not incompatible with 'dialogue'

Contrary to the rhetoric of Israeli officials and sympathisers, boycott is not contrary to dialogue. Hawking's decision, for example, will mean people are discussing Israeli policies and strategies for ending occupation. That is not atypical - BDS initiatives often encourage a meaningful exchange of views and perspectives. However, some people abuse the concept of dialogue to defend an asymmetrical status quo, leaving intact a colonial power dynamic where, in the words of South African poet James Matthews, "the oppressor sits seared with his spoils/with no desire to share equality/leaving the oppressed seeking warmth/at the cold fire of/Dialogue". Boycott has nothing to do with having, or not having, conversations - it is about accountability for, and opposing, basic violations of a people's rights. Confronting and resisting the reality of Israeli apartheid begets a dialogue that is fully realised in the context of equality and decolonisation.



2. Impunity and accountability

The boycott is grounded firmly in the well documented facts of Israeli policies. The US State Department speaks of "institutional discrimination" faced by Palestinian citizens, while Human Rights Watch says Israel maintains a "two-tier system" in the West Bank. From the "discriminatory" control and distribution of water resources ( Amnesty International) to the "forced transfer of the native population" ( European Union), it is no wonder that the UN's Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination has reported Israel as violating prohibitions against "racial segregation and apartheid".

Illegal settlements are used to colonise the West Bank, Palestinians in Gaza are blockaded and bombed, Palestinians in East Jerusalem have their homes demolished - and all the while, of course, expelled Palestinian refugees just a few miles from their properties are still prevented from returning home on the basis they are not Jews. And note that the "But what about China/Myanmar/Syria etc" line misses the point (as well as placing Israel in some rather interesting company). A boycott is a tactic, advisable in some contexts, and not in others. It is not about a scale of injustice or wrongdoing. It is about a strategy targeting systematic human rights abuses and breaches of international law, called for by the colonised. Which brings us to…


1. The Palestinian call for solidarity

Palestinians suffering under Israeli apartheid are calling for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) as a strategy in the realisation of their basic rights, a fact that many Zionists choose to ignore when attacking boycott campaigns. The Palestinian civil society call for BDS was officially launched on July 9 2005, a year after the International Court of Justice's advisory opinion on the illegality of Israel's Separation Wall. Signatories to the BDS call come from representatives of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Palestinian citizens of Israel, and Palestinian refugees. Since then, growing numbers of people in the likes of academia, the arts world, trade unions and faith communities have answered the BDS call with initiatives that put the focus firmly on Israel's routine violations of international law and ending complicity in these crimes. Professor Hawking is to be commended for seeking the advice of Palestinian academics, and heeding their request for international solidarity in a decades-long struggle for freedom and justice.

Ben White is a freelance journalist, writer and activist, specialising in Palestine/Israel. He is a graduate of Cambridge University.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
May 12, 2013 - 10:01am PT
Brokebackclimber said:
"Isn't that the same picture of Hillary they show patients in Hospital ERs to help treat individuals checking in with erections lasting more than 4 hours? Cialis and Viagra induced erections just don't stand a chance."
Holy crap I almost spewed coffee at the monitor at that comment !!! Thanks for the morning laugh Brokeback!


All those who don't support Israels right to exist raise their hands. Opps, I see most everyone has their hand raised already. Well, maybe you all should take up a collection to pay for swimming lessons for the Jews so that when the Arabs push them all into the Mediteranian Sea they can dog paddle for a while.

It looks like Hawking has finally discovered what was clear to everyone else, peace in the middle east is a Black hole. Pick a side.

Another view: http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/noam-chomsky-pushed-stephen-hawking-to-boycott-israeli-conference/2013/05/11/ Of course, Chomsky and Hawking have been clear on the 70,000 people killed in Syria as well...opps, nevermind, they don't give a sh#t about them. Sorry.
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