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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 5, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
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The Rainbow Gathering is in Montana this year (exact location to be announced later).
They could use some donations for first aid and water piping etc.
see
http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/sites/annual-site.html
I love these guys. Soft drugs, tipis, topless girls, folk music, Hare Krishna free food kitchens, 20,000 people camping in the woods, and NO COVER since 1972. How hippie can you get.
The whole event based on volunteers and donations. . .
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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I personally can't stand hippies.
Now, the people who are living the lifestyle and just doing they're thing. More flowerpower to em'.
But for the most part, hippies buy into the idea, much like the Hot Topic crowd. They pay for there look, then buy into a drug culture dominated ideology that is for the most part, based on various forms of feel good bullsh#t.
The real hippies were the native Americans or more recently the self reliance gurus like Dave Canterbury who actually have an intimate understanding and relationship with the natural world around them.
I bet their wasn't one vegetarian Indian in the whole 11,000+ years they dominated the Americas.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Love hippies, but drums suck.
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TheTye
Trad climber
Sacramento CA
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Do "Rainbow Children" stem from this festival?
My ex wife had a cousin who, with her boyfriend, referred to themselves as "Rainbow Children" and I remember them saying something about a festival.
They stayed with us for a short time and took advantage of me. They refused to help out with anything and I finally had them leave. They also got a puppy and bragged about how much more money they made spare changing with the dog... way more parasite than hippie. You can't talk about living free while subsiding on others hard work... at least not without coming off like an assho1e... But maybe this was an isolated incident of worthless people.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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Seen the same thing many times, Tye.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Spare a dollar, man?
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BobLoblaw
climber
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"I bet their wasn't one vegetarian Indian in the whole 11,000+ years they dominated the Americas."
To suggest that because Native Americans weren't vegetarians there is no usefulness to the idea now is just plainly ignorant. They didn't have even close to the population density that we have now, and modern Americans eat more meat per capita than pretty much any culture ever (including NAs). By almost any measure, being vegetarian is good for conserving natural resources...you need know little more than the basic concepts of energy transfer between trophic levels to understand why.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
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rope-haired puppy pullers.
i've had negative run in's and
i have also met some incredibly kind, generous
and hard-working hippies.
no generalization defines anyone...
summer of 2000 plus or minus:
jackson, montana. i drove the toyota motorhome as close to the rainbow gathering as her clearance would permit. the closest i could make it was the little town of jackson. so i had a few beers in the local bar (also the grocery store i think) and then set off with a weeks worth of gear on my back, pedaling my mountain bike. the actual gathering was about 10 miles off, down very unpaved roads.
so im wheelin out into the georgous wilderness with an oversize pack strapped on my back, and this car stops and asks if they can take my photo. i concede. they inform me that they are from some montana rag and they're doing a write up on this hippy festival. they ask where i'm from and i say california. so they interpret my response as i rode my bike all the way from cali to the high montains of montana on this full suspension mountain bike in birkenstok sandals with a 60 lb mountainsmith wobblin around on my back. not being one to get in the way of a good story, i let them role with their fantasy. so i become the mascot of the montana rainbow gathering. the role model hippy so to speak. no sh#t. front page story.
i pull over into a wildflower-littered meadow and make a dent in my space bag of wine. as im swillin wine, another car stops to chat. this time it is my friend Elspeth whom i met earlier in the summer in yosemite. so we rejoice in our synergetic meeting and i tell her my story.
it was and is a splendid time.
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bentelbow
climber
spud state
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Q: What's the difference between a hippie chick and a hockey player?
A: A hockey player showers between periods
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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^^^^ sounds like a pretty sissy hockey team if they can't stand a little sweat...^^^^
But for the most part, hippies buy into the idea, much like the Hot Topic crowd. They pay for their look, then buy into a drug culture dominated ideology that is for the most part, based on various forms of feel good bullsh#t.
-But for the most part, Rat Racers buy into the idea, much like the Hot Topic crowd. They pay for their look, then buy into a consumer culture dominated ideology that is for the most part, based on various forms of Capitalist "keeping ahead of your neighbor."- What's worse, the very people who benefit from this scheme spend hundreds of billions brainwashing people from the day they are born to believe this mindfock is natural.
True, freedom isn't free and may be just another word for "nothin' left to lose", but those lucky few who can live in balance with nature outside of our Matrix without having to rely on the 9-5 hamster wheel have my respect and admiration. I could do it (and have for a summer), but I am too sucked in to consuming.
I'm willing to bet that you haven't spent any appreciable time in the company of "hippies" and your perceptions/stereotypes are based on a few people who are simply lazy or predators, not those who put forth the effort to contribute and support each other. True communism is actually a beautiful thing, but it's hard to achieve in any significant scale because there are always those who will want to lead, and power corrupts.
As I hear frequently from friends associated with The Rainbow Family- "Don't be a Drainbow. Find a way to put something into the mix that is uniquely you. That's what drives synergy." An ideal we could all do better to live up to...
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Bad Climber
climber
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I find this whole gathering very interesting. I first learned about it in Richard Grant's American Nomads--great book. I guess my only concern would be clean up. 20K is a helluva lot of hippies in one place. Do they clean the grounds super well when they leave?
Oh, and for the record, grass/pasture-based meat is totally sustainable and quite healthy. The problems with modern meat are in its grotesque industrialization. And, I suppose, as a culture we do tend to eat too much of, well, everything! A pure vegetarian diet has its environmental problems, too--habitat destruction at the very least. There is no blood-free lunch.
My encounters with hippies have generally been of the good variety, but being a bum is not the same thing, in my mind. I've seen bums who claim to be hippies, but, er, sorry, dude. Yer just a bum. Work to support yer dope-smokin', drum-circle poundin', dred-lock danglin' ways, and I'm 100% with you. Sit around outside a Starbucks with yer hand out? LOSER. Especially if mommy and daddy are back home providing all the backup and trust fund once you get tired of living in the gutter.
I do kind of get hot and bothered by some o' those dred-sportin' babies in the loose, minimal clothing. Some gals can really pull it off. Saw one up in Mt. Shasta last year that still makes me lose my balance to think about. Damn, she was a feminine force of nature. She could turn gay men straight, I tell you what. Grrrrr..
Anyone got any hottie hippie pics?
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Norwegian
Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Thanks for the heads-up.
I'm gonna be. MT this summer. I'll have to catch up with the tribe again.
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frank wyman
Mountain climber
montana
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Hey...If its anywhere near me...once you get tired of sleeping in the dirt and banging on drums...Come over to my house and eat,drink beer and sit in the hot-tub looking at my wifes ample breasts...
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Crackslayer
Trad climber
Eldo
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what a bunch of freedloaders. Back in the day these MF's were camped in big red park outside of steamboat for the summer. They destroyed the whole place adding thousands of trails and leaving trash scatter through a vast area. My hatred for hippies started the moment we drove in and saw a huge drum circle.
Fukc rainbow people.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Remember to stop by the Bud Lite tent for free Tshirts.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Rainbowers - camp in the dirt on public land, do nothing of use for society...
Climbers - camp in the dirt on public land, do nothing of use for society...
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
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Do they clean the grounds super well when they leave?
On the original link posted up-thread, there is a sub-link to a report on the last Rainbow clean up (toward the bottom, search for "cleanup"). Those guys go way way beyond what is required to return the land to its native state. Like an extra week of volunteer effort to make things pristine. Puts Yosemite Facelift to shame where most people work half a day then party. lol
Lot of hate on this thread. Kind of surprises me. I guess the $180 Mammut stretch climbing pants / $1000 portaledge crowd doesn't take the concept of "alternative" seriously. If you haven't noticed, the human race is well on the way to destroying our one and only planet. Seems to me its time to at least start thinking about other paradigms for existence other than "work/buy/work/buy/work/buy...." ad nauseam.
Having said that, I'll admit to having left early from the last Rainbow I went to in Arizona. Left my friends and spent July 4th (the main Rainbow gathering day) by myself on top of Mt. Sneffels. Can only take so much folk music and Indian love. ha ha
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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All hippies are bad? Wow, that's lame.
Kinda like saying all climbers are bad, all blacks are bad, all Arabs are bad, all Christians are bad, all children are bad.
Look in the mirror brothers. The first as#@&%e you met today might have been the one you shaved this morning.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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If you haven't noticed, the human race is well on the way to destroying our one and only planet. Seems to me its time to at least start thinking about other paradigms for existence other than "work/buy/work/buy/work/buy...." ad nauseam.
If you haven't noticed, the human race is well on the way to destroying our one and only planet. Seems to me its time to at least start thinking about other paradigms for existence other than "work/buy/work/buy/work/buy...." ad nauseam.
If you haven't noticed, the human race is well on the way to destroying our one and only planet. Seems to me its time to at least start thinking about other paradigms for existence other than "work/buy/work/buy/work/buy...." ad nauseam.
+3!!
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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The majority of "hippies" are way more harmonious, sincere and less consumptive than your average yuppie climber wanna be.
Hate on you hypocrites.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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I like freshly showered hippie women.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Little know factoid. Hippie wyms don't shave.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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I fear not the forest .
Ok that is TMI
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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hippies are alright, buzz kill people suck,
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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What exactly does this have to do with Native Americans other than someone setup a tipi?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Yeah, the Native American connection looks pretty weak.
Native American men were warriors or dead.
When I hang out at modern PowWows I noticed that if you are a Native American man and you are not a Marine Corps Veteran, you ain't squat.
Living nearly naked in the outdoors with minimal grooming seems to be something in common with the old ones.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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This body was in physical attendance at the 1978 gathering at Whitehorse Meadow in Oregon. There were swindlers there too, as with anywhere. This body carries many memories of this short gathering, mostly humorous, healthy and good. Also, some lifelong lessons on what's true and what's false. This body departed from and returned to the Great Curry Parking Lot for this long motor vehicle excursion with three other bodies in what was then called a VW Bug. This body would like to return and just sit and watch to see what has changed in 35 years.
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sac
Trad climber
Sun Coast B.C.
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Was on the road, w/ my gal in my bus '97? or so... living the "hippy" life.
We heard about, and showed up to a gathering in Idaho, I think.
The scene impressed me,at first, as it was so "off the grid", a sub-culture/ community removed from "the norm". Folks hugged us contantly, and exclaimed their love. We tried to get it, and kept our minds open,... but in the end, I remember feeling un-welcome. Like at a party, that everyone knows eachother, and you know no-one. Perhaps we didn't find our place... I know we didn't "look" the part, and felt that this was a factor... aaanyway, we stayed two days... I remember driving out, on the dirt road, Primus cranked on the stereo, back on the road...feeling free again. Anway, that' my Rainbow report. All the power to them though.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Q: What's the difference between a hippie chick and a hockey player?
I was gonna say something, but then I saw your post.....
The new hippie fashion is tie dye clothing with a flannel shirt. (I just attended a hippie fest this weekend in the mountains of West Virginia...)
Just when you thought hippie fashion was revolting enough - then they started mixing flannel with tie dye....
I still dig hippie chicks.
As Butthead says: "Bathe her, and bring her to me."
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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May 10, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
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...and dont come back
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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May 10, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
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Sometimes I wonder "why do I like this website?"
Oh well, that will teach me to stick to the "Birds" thread.
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MisterE
Social climber
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May 11, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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Rainbowers - camp in the dirt on public land, do nothing of use for society...
Climbers - camp in the dirt on public land, do nothing of use for society...
ROTFL...+1.
The comparison kinda breaks down when one gets to the "energy-sucking drifters" level, but it ain't my scene - maybe I caught a "bad vibe" in central Oregon in the late 1990's.
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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May 11, 2013 - 01:02am PT
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The label Hippie is pretty misunderstood by the general public and is as varied as the term climber, Christian or democrat. I have been to a couple of Rainbow Gatherings albeit a long time ago. I think that anytime a big happening is free there is an opportunity for degeneration. That's probably why Burning Man is not exactly the same. But has its share of problems.
What would happen if Camp Four was free? There are thieves and losers in every society. You don't have to wear tye-dye, have long hair, be unkempt or a freeloader to be a hippie. Stereotypes are just that. I am even sure some of the haters here are nice guys too. Minds are like parachutes.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Jun 14, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jun 16, 2013 - 09:37am PT
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Hmmm, right on my way to Montana. I might have to stop in for a visit.
Where the Gathering will be in 2013
The 2013 Rainbow Gathering will be in Montana, Spring Council is June 7 to 9.
Racetrack Creek/Racetrack Campground (20 miles south of Deer Lodge, Montana) From Interstate 90: Exit 197 Galen. Take Left onto 273 South (Galen RD), go 3 miles on paved road to Willow Road (NO SIGN and be aware -- as 273 bears left, Willow.
Road goes straight, it is the gravel on right). Go 1 mile to Bowman Road at the four corners. Take left onto Bowman which becomes Modesty Creek Road (you will see a Forest Service sign for Racetrack Campground 6 miles). Watch for cows on road and immature Golden Eagles on fence posts! Keep following signs for Racetrack CG. Please respect signs for private property.
Once inside the Forest, FS road 169, welcome home! There is ample parking, bus village, and handicamp on the north side (right) after the cattleguard just into the forest (only two tenths of a mile from FS boundary) with some tree line camping off the south (left). There is a piece of private property inside the spring council area; this stretch is about a ½ -mile long and is well-marked along the road. There is a FS Campground where there is an anticipated fee early June. Beyond the campground, FS Road 169 diminishes so be aware of poor road conditions and it may be difficult for big rigs to turn around.
OR take Racetrack Exit 195 Roads are less paved but it gets you there -- Follow signs to Racetrack Campground. Avoid Dempsey Lake Road -- there is a bridge out over this creek.
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