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TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 31, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
Man accused of putting 6-week-old baby daughter in freezer

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/28/18567782-man-accused-of-putting-6-week-old-baby-daughter-in-freezer?lite
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
May 31, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
Kenny,

It's indisputable the BF was a controlling idiot and a piece of sh#t.

You show no level of sympathy for people who think they have no alternative to the life they have, compared to the one you know is available.

This is the ground social workers walk. Like I said, try it...
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 31, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
government employees screwed up again and did not get there quick enough to stop it
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
May 31, 2013 - 10:01pm PT
Jump into your Batmobile, Norton.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 31, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
When paramedics arrived at his Palmdale home last week, 8-year-old Gabriel Fernandez's skull was cracked, three ribs were broken and his skin was bruised and burned. He had BB pellets embedded in his lung and groin. Two teeth were knocked out of his mouth.
sorry Jim you're right she was probably so busy volunteering down at the homeless shelter and had no clue there were alternatives to this type of life.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
May 31, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
Kenny,

I never said that or meant that.

personal reality is based on what is perceived by an individual. If an individual has options to their situation based on what learning they were imparted with, there is a chance the outcome of a bad situation can be resolved through reason and logic.

Many people are not so fortunate to have this basic cultural grounding in their life and have probably been called a whore so many times that it doesn't register so much, day to day while ducking punches.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
May 31, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
ME--- If CPS is scary to you, you have problems that need immediate attention.

DAVEY Kos ----Yes, anyone who does not blindly trust every opaque organization with extreme power is is clearly not rational.

How on earth did you jump that chasm? WTF?

I have had lot of dealing with CPS. Less than 1% of parents ever deal with them. If you are even a half way good parent you have got no problems.

The last thing CPS needs are larger case loads. They are over worked as it is.

Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
May 31, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331941/Chinese-baby-flushed-toilet-rescued-ALIVE-Did-mother-raise-alarm.html
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 31, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
^^^^ my guess is know one ever told her you shouldn't flush yer baby down the toilet.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 31, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
what's a drone? I'm mostly worried about those unmanned planes that go around blowin sh#t up.
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Jun 1, 2013 - 01:16am PT
It's my humble opinion that you should put a bullet in the head of anyone that beats a child...

Charles
John M

climber
Jun 1, 2013 - 01:39am PT
If you are even a half way good parent you have got no problems.

Your statements sounds like you are ignoring the times when CPS gets overzealous and puts a good parent through the wringer. Any organization, no matter how well led can make serious mistakes. It is humans doing the work after all. They have a lot of power. They need to have a lot of power. But that power can be abused. Just like the police can and have abused their power, the military, and even the judicial system. Along with private groups and corporations.

If you are a good parent are you likely to have a problem with CPS? No. not likely. But it does happen. Which is what needs to be guarded against. One problem is that the system is often overwhelmed and is becoming more and more burdened with overbearing rules, which drives out too many good foster parents. Good foster parents are in too short of a supply for us to be burdening them. Another problem is knowing who the good ones are.

CPS is a tough job. I challenge anyone here to get on the sharp end of the stick.
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Jun 1, 2013 - 01:43am PT
i'm not ignoring anything.

I know I've been on the wrong side & I'm a good parent.

It was the worst thing that ever happened to me.

But I did what had to be done.

I think you don't think very deeply. & don't go get butt hurt. You clearly didn't read the whole post.
BuddhaStalin

climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 1, 2013 - 06:40am PT
Jesus effin christ, it reeks of buttsex in here.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Jun 1, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
open yer window
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 24, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Of course, there is no justification for taking a child from their parents


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-0602-lopez-gabriel-20130602,0,114921.column

latimes.com

An abused boy is dead at age 8, and again we ask how it happened
Gabriel Fernandez's mother and boyfriend are not the only ones who will have to answer for his death.

by Steve Lopez

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He was 8 years old.

That's a great age for most kids. They're curious, innocent, full of life.

But Gabriel Fernandez of Palmdale was in a living hell, by official accounts, and had stopped breathing when paramedics arrived at his home on May 22.

His skull was fractured in two places. Two ribs were broken. Teeth had been knocked out or possibly yanked out. BB pellets were embedded in his lung. His skin had been burned.

It's a horrific, stomach-turning level of abuse, as detailed Friday in a Page One story by my colleague Garrett Therolf, and it's impossible to understand how anyone could do that to a child.

Two days after he was hospitalized, Gabriel died. His mother, Pearl Fernandez, and her boyfriend, Isauro Aguirre, were charged with murder and torture. Aguirre told authorities he had beaten Gabriel on numerous occasions "for lying and being dirty," according to authorities.

If they're guilty, I can't think of a penalty too severe. But the mother and boyfriend are not the only ones who will have to answer for Gabriel's death.

The L.A. County Department of Children and Family Services, with a long string of shocking failures in the deaths of children, is in the middle of this one, too. The agency left Gabriel in his mother's care despite six allegations of abuse over the last decade involving Gabriel and other children.

And we're not talking about scant evidence that Gabriel was in danger.

Caught up in a family dispute over his guardianship, Gabriel was taken from relatives last October by his mother. Immediately afterward, Gabriel's teacher reported that the boy had facial bruising and said his mother had struck him with a belt buckle and punched him in the stomach.

A month later, the same teacher said Gabriel came to school with a "busted lip" and claimed his mother had punched him.

In January of this year, the teacher reported that Gabriel's face was swollen and bruised and he said his mother had shot him in the face with a BB gun.

In March, a therapist reported that Gabriel might have been sexually assaulted by a relative, and that he had indicated he might kill himself.

Eight years old, and this poor child was thinking about suicide.

And what was Family Services doing all the while?

Not nearly enough.

Some of the allegations couldn't be substantiated by caseworkers, and Gabriel recanted some of his own statements. But how hard could it have been to connect the dots?

There's no indication that anyone from Family Services considered the totality of the allegations, or gave enough consideration to the fact that Gabriel's mother had a criminal record and a history of gang involvement and substance abuse.

A confidential internal review of the case found evidence of multiple failures on the part of department employees. Among other problems, the review found that "the case plan was inadequate," the department "did not complete required visits," an investigation was closed "despite no resolution to problems," there was inadequate or no contact with other family members, and that Gabriel was not interviewed in a neutral location, away from those who might influence his answers.

All of that is inexcusable. So is the fact that at the time of Gabriel's death, one abuse allegation had not yet been resolved, and the social worker on the case "made minimal attempts to investigate," according to the review.

So what did Family Services Director Philip Browning do about all of this?

He put four employees on desk duty pending further review.

Desk duty? You mean they're still on the job and getting paid to make decisions about children's lives?

I would have had a different assignment for them and anyone else who touched this case: Leave the building immediately. Depending on their level of involvement, I would have fired them or suspended them without pay while the review continues. And I would have lined all their supervisors up against the wall and ordered them to explain how there could have been such a catastrophic breakdown.

Sure, these are difficult jobs and thousands of kids are at risk at any time. And although Family Services employees do a lot of good and even heroic work under difficult circumstances, some children will die because their own relatives are monsters.

But Gabriel Fernandez is dead despite overwhelming evidence that he was in peril for months, if not longer. And a recent review of the department found that in 15 other cases where a child died, nobody was fired despite "egregious errors" by department staff.

Maybe this leniency is why Browning is having so much trouble changing the "culture" of the department, as he's been trying to do in his 15 months on the job. By some accounts, he's made some headway, and in an interview Friday he laid out several ways in which he's trying to establish more "common sense, critical thinking and accountability."

"It defies my imagination how someone could not have seen this coming," Browning said. But then he began to couch it, saying that "Monday morning quarterbacking is very easy" and the "culture can't be changed overnight and it can't be changed in a year or two."

Nonsense. Just tell people to do their jobs, and crack down on them when they don't.

If Browning can't get the job done soon, the Board of Supervisors which ultimately is responsible for this long-running nightmare should find a replacement.

At 2:52 p.m. on May 24, Gabriel Fernandez of Palmdale was pronounced dead.

He was 8 years old.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 25, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
And nobody here has ever said that, Ken.

Except you, in your strawman argument

Strawman?

Didn't you read the article? That was an actual, not a virtual, 8 y/o child
that died.

You still seem totally opposed to the concept: when in doubt, protect the child FIRST, then figure things out.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jun 25, 2013 - 04:10pm PT
CPS case against Nikolayev family dismissed

http://www.news10.net/news/article/248770/2/CPS-case-against-Nikolayev-family-dismissed?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cbc%7Clarge

"After the hearing, Nikolayev attorney Joe Weinberger announced he intends to file the lawsuit in the coming days. In a release, Weinberger wrote, "no longer shackled by the anonymity and the disclosure prohibitions of the Dependency Court, Anna and Alex will shine the bright light of truth on these illegal activities."
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 3, 2013 - 09:41am PT
MADISON, Wis. -- A mother and father who prayed instead of seeking medical help as their daughter died in front of them were properly convicted of homicide, the Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Wednesday.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/03/5542198/court-upholds-parents-convictions.html#storylink=cpy

This ought to give faith healers some pause. If you kill someone through prayer you are going to pay a severe price.

Amen.

DMT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jul 3, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Ken, please point out where I made the claim that "there is no justification for taking a child from their parents."

You are being sensationalist and mis-representing my words. That is the strawman.

It is dishonest.

Ah, but you are not representing what you said, YOU stated that NOBODY said....

That is YOUR strawman. You then take my broad statement to mean you, personally. I assure you that I don't.

But when you represent everyone who has posted, then you take ownership of it all, crazy as it may be.

You appear to have gotten lost from the original post. A situation where there is uncertainty about the safety of a child. What do you do?

I say the state has a responsibility to act on behalf of the safety of the child, until clarity is established. What do you advocate?
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