Motorcycle takes out two bicyclists on Mulholland Dr.


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Some Random Guy

Under a Little Pink Umbrella
May 1, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
If someone who's injured wants to sit up or do whatever, there's not much you can do about it.
You can say, "you should stay still, you may have a spine injury" but...

Holding someone who's injured when they don't want to be held or crowded may result in the good old fight part of the fight or flee reflex.

yeah totally correct. i've been in a situation where i tried to help a trauma victim and they wouldn't listen at all. i tried to explain that it is in there best interest to not move until the paramedics arrived and took over. no bueno. it all boils down to legal consent. oh well, i tried.....

not to mention that you could have a subdural hematoma going on. you may seem fine right after, maybe a slight headache, but later that day when you go to bed you may never wake up. the pressure in your skull keeps slowly rising so much so that eventually it kills you. it has happened to many a people :(

Lake Tahoe
May 1, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
I was playing volleyball with a guy who took a fall on concrete. He got up, even though we all told him to sit until we could asses his condition, and ran into a fence post because he was so messed up from the fall. He still insisted that he was ok and then we find out later that he drove to the ER instead of going home. The guy was smart enough to know he was hurt but way to egotistical (and stupid) to admit it to anyone there. I've hear the phrase "...died from embarrassment" but dying to avoid embarrassment? Sheesh.

That helmet sure did save that bike-riders life. A fall from three or four feet onto the pavement on his head could not have ended well without it.


Sport climber
May 1, 2013 - 01:45pm PT

They knew Mulholland was a speed zone.
Yes. How dare those cyclists believe they could use the roads without someone crashing into them.

Well you wouldn't wear all red yelling blood, in an all crip neighborhood.
Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
May 1, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
Clear highway, no other traffic, perfect visibility... How could he not have seen the cyclists? How, with the entire highway available to him, could he not have avoided them?

You can see him start to sit up in the apex. To me this looks like he felt he couldn't hold the lean angle with the speed he had and felt he had to sit up. I may be being picky but it kinda looks like he apexed too early and was on the throttle too soon (I can't get sound so don't know!). Just my 2 cents, I'm sure he saw the bicyclists but instead of lean harder he sat up, expanding his turn radius.


Trad climber
May 1, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Jeremy Ross, I think you've got it.

Inexperienced rider mistake, and usually ends way worse than this: don't have the lean to keep your turn radius, freak out that you don't have enough speed to increase your lean, and your (very instinctual) defense mechanism) is to let off the throttle or hit the brakes.

Sucks that he involved others in it.
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
May 1, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Well you wouldn't wear all red yelling blood, in an all crip neighborhood.

Yeah, because those two activities are pretty identical.

Trad climber
May 1, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
Road biking scares the crap out of me. I frequently feel more secure on run out terrain that I have on a bike on the side of a highway.
Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
May 1, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Yeah, NotIt I like your explanation. Illustrates the instincual nature of inexperience to sit up like he did and freeze. I know I've done it before lol! Sit up, eyes wide and just saying "oh sh#t oh sh#t oh sh#t Im going to run out of road oh sh#t....whew I almost ran out of road" lol. I'd like to think I wouldn't do that anymore, but I've been wrong before....

I'm sure the motorcyclist is thinking back on it and concluding that a low side would have been a better outcome, but I'm sure a more experienced rider would have avoided any trouble.


A long way from where I started
May 1, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
I know I've done it before lol! Sit up, eyes wide and just saying "oh sh#t oh sh#t oh sh#t Im going to run out of road oh sh#t....whew I almost ran out of road"

I've done it before, too. Except for the "whew I almost ran out of road" part. I got to the "oh sh#t oh sh#t oh shit" part, and then broke a lot of bones. (happened on a bicycle, not a motorcycle, but the principle is the same)

But from the look of the video, he didn't even try to avoid the cyclist.

Trad climber
Denver, CO
May 1, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Someone nailed it early with target fixation.

As an avid motorcyclist myself...that guy on the SV should be taken to court and whipped.

Trad climber
May 1, 2013 - 06:05pm PT

I hear "look where you want to turn" a lot.

The way I ride my motorcycle, the cyclists would have been passing me.

Trad climber
Montuckyian Via Canada Eh!
May 1, 2013 - 06:16pm PT
Dumb azzz........


Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 1, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
Y'all think 'LA' stands for something other than Lotsa Azzholes?

I quit riding my road bike around here.
I only feel marginally safer in my F150.

Social climber
The internet
May 1, 2013 - 07:17pm PT
I've carefully analyzed the sound and video.

He got distracted by the woman's ass and crashed.

He's staring right at her position, making no effort to turn or change his control until it's way too late.

Botching a turn looks way different.

A long way from where I started
May 1, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
A cyclist was killed this morning here in Seattle, on the route I ride to work every morning. From the reports available, and from knowing the intersection where it happened, it looks likely that it was his own fault, but we'll have to wait and see. (News report here:;

Be careful out there.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
May 1, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
I wonder how much experience that mc rider had. Wouldn't it have been weird if the truck hauling the bike crashed into a bunch of mc riders on the way to the shop?

I spent quite a bit of time running on Mulholland, always facing traffic.


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 1, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Oh christ...! Now this is gonna turn into a bitchin motor scooter thread....

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
May 1, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
I'd be really surprised if he did not have compression fractures in his lumbar and/or cervical vertebrae. Whiplash and a head injury for sure. Did you hear him right after the crash? That type of sound coming from a man usually means bad sh#t.

I've seen & packaged this type of fall in terrain parks.

1. Whiplash, plus un know possible internals from impact. Hard to tell what speed motorcyclist was going at point of impact, 25, 35 mph?
2. head smacks ground and compresses neck
3. legs come up and compress/stretch lower spine rather violently

yeah, bystanders were way clueless. Gave me goosebumps to see him walk. WTF, why did no one dial 911 immediately? In video you can hear this.

What can U do? Be VERY assertive that he needs to lie still and prone. Do you want to die? Works pretty good. Go over ALL possible outcomes, including death from a ruptured spleen or head injury and paralyzes from spinal cord injury. Don't sugar coat anything. Scare the crap out of them. Great way to hold C spine is with your knees. That way your hands are free to use phone, check vitals, control bleeding or grab flailing arms. You can also do chest compressions if it comes to that.

Had a guy ski/walk into patrol room after taking a tomahawk type fall on upper mountain (his words). Said his back hurt pretty bad. When he sat on edge of cot, I watched his face turn grey and he stood right back up. I palpated his back and he had point tenderness mid spine. I asked the normal questions about numbness and tingling. I thought he was going to faint. Turns out he was a PT and all 4 extremities were on fire. He knew what that meant. Had to calm him down, C collar and backboard him standing. Rest of patrol was on sweep. I lowered him to floor and called for an ambulance. He had fully fractured his T5, one wrong move........

Sport climber
Is this a trick question?
May 1, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
My post/opinion from my FB page when I first saw this video clip ...

Something just doesn't seem right about all this... esp the motorcyclist, clearly hugging the center line, THEN plowing into a GROUP of riders in the bike lane...
I'm not sure what to think ... Wear a helmet, of course.
Was this "staged" in some way... I don't know. It just doesn't make sense why the guy on the motorcycle would direct his bike into the path of cyclists when he had full clearance. I make this statement having driven up and down Mt. Lemmon hundreds of times, where cyclists and motorcycles have gotten along fairly well.

My 2 cents.

Carry on.

Social climber
May 2, 2013 - 12:25am PT
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