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Mountain climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:35pm PT


Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
You might want to be tested for gout as that is one of the reasons for early kidney stones. Diet is important if you are susceptible to them but first they have to figure out what kind it is.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:39pm PT
Have fun with that,
Never had a kidney stone but had a gall stone the size of a golf ball that the Dr. yanked outta me.
Hope the stone isn't too painful to pass, hang tuff!

Mountain climber
San Francisco, California
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
Oh yeah! Love 'em! had my first when i was 19; last one was seven years ago. Lots of water of course, and run/jog just a bit each day; it will quite literally shake them loose when they're very small and passable. Enjoy!

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 26, 2013 - 07:49pm PT

Total eKat-ism...


Doc said the consensus 3 worst pains are....childbirth, heart attack and kidney stones.....

EDIT: CT scan showed a stone about 6mm in size....feels like a friggin summit erratic!!!!!!


Fentanyl with a Percocet chaser.....whenever I want it! :D
So THIS is how Locker feels all the time!

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:11pm PT
Feel for ya. Had my first one a few months ago, and I am pretty sure you're a bit older then I am.

Like you, I started getting some warning a few days beforehand, but I had an idea what was about to happen. What I didn't realize was how intense the pain was going to be. I have a pretty high pain tolerance, deal with it on a daily basis anyways - but that stone had me on the floor curled up in a ball. They had to give me 2 shots in the ER - and not light ones - before I could even straighten out or respond to anything normally. Took 2 more days for the last of it to pass.
I do NOT look forward to going through that again, but once you get one you are very likely to have more. Trying to up my water intake and hope like hell it doesn't come back for a while.

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
You have my sincere sympathy!

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Doc said the consensus 3 worst pains are....childbirth, heart attack and kidney stones.....

Heard about stones and childbirth...didn't know about the heart attack.
So welcome to the crowd, childbirth one anyways!
Heal fast.. Amazing how something so small could wreak such havoc


Sport climber
Is this a trick question?
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:23pm PT
This too shall pass...

YEP... thank goodness. I hope the "process" is a bearable one for you, Cragman... my thoughts are with you.

(When I had my son, all 8lbs 2oz (22inches long) of him, without drugs on an AF Base in Texas, I realized I could handle a tremendous amt of pain. Still afraid of heights, but I survived giving birth to my son.
Granted, my father stated he could hear me all the way down the hall ... but I'd like HIM to try it and see if HE too threatens the life of an OB Tech.)

~peace to you, D.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
Walked into the emergency room and without a word the doc says, "you're passing a kidney stone." So I ask how he could possibly know that? He says, "we get about a dozen a week through here. They all have the same look you're sporting."

Had four of them so far. Now I have a drug kit at home and in the car stocked with Oxycodene and Soma (Carisoprodol). Probably hard to get scripted for the Soma, but it's a muscle relaxant which greatly eases the passage while the Oxycodene deals with the pain.

Of the four attacks, I've had them come on slow with it taking me awhile to even figure out what was happening and had one happen all at once like being hit with a mac truck and making me pass out within a minute of the very first sign.

And that one was when I was belaying. Fortunately my partner was close to the anchor and I had just enough time to tell him to get to it as I was dropping to my knees in a purple haze at which point I locked-off hard with my hand close to the device and passed out on out on top of it. That worked as my partner was then stuck at the anchor until some other guys came rapping off at the end of their climb and could roll me off the belay and let him down. Could have been worse and now I have to make sure I'm solidly hydrated before climbing.

However it happens, you don't want to be more than a few minutes away from some seriously big-time pain meds for the duration. You basically just don't want to be incoherently conscious and writhing in pain for the whole show.

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Apr 26, 2013 - 08:37pm PT

The attack this morning had me pitch onto the floor and nearly black out within 30 seconds of the onset.

Apr 26, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
I've had one on each side. For me, the pain was in the back/kidney area as it moved from the kidney to the bladder - like a knife in the side, over and over. I feared the final exit from the bladder, but did not have a problem with that. Good luck!
dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
Yes, I've been there. I have much sympathy.

I dragged the whole family to the hospital at 3 am. OH, the pain.

The only pain that exceeded that was my broken shoulder from this year.
manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
How to Lower Uric Acid
Step 1
Mix tsp. cream of tartar with 8 oz. fresh water and drink to help relieve gout pain. In his book "Alkalinize or Die," Theodore Baroody recommends that this mix be consumed two to three times a day for several days. Cream of tartar is an old folk remedy used to treat the pain of rheumatism and gout. It works by helping the body form an alkaline state in the blood and urine, aiding in neutralizing uric acid.

Gallstones and kidney stones Remedy;

Squeeze 6 lemons into a quart jar, add 1 heaping tablespoon of Epsom salt, and 3 level tablespoons of cream of tartar.

Mix well and finish filling with water. Refrigate it. Take a small juice glass almost full every night upon retiring, until you have taken the whole quart.

You not only won't have any gall or kidney stones, but you can eat what you please.

Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
I haven't had one thanks to all the beer I've been drinking.

Seriously, many doctors say beer helps both, preventing and dissolving kidney stones (at least in Poland).

Apr 26, 2013 - 10:27pm PT
I don't know whats worse, having a stone or thinking about the lithotripsy. I've had both
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
I knew a Vegas nephrologist who referred to April - June as "stone season".

Lots of people dehydrate as things get hot.
(He died of a spider bite though!)

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:35pm PT
I was 34 for the first one of three. Biggest 10mm. All passed.

Can't tell until they analyze the constituents, but mine were due to repeatedly getting dehydrated.


First was at 36.

Second at 53 - 5.0mm calculus ureter, 7.0 mm calculus kidney.


1. 15 mm nonobstructing stone within the lower pole of the left

All analyses have found the stones to be calcium oxalate.

If it doesn't pass, there are non-surgical/medical means of "treating" them, which is what I did in the case of the last one. Two doctors tell me it can't possibly have worked, yet the second scan revealed nothing. So either the first scan was in error or ...


Mountain climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Apr 26, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Total eKat-ism...

You had me TOTALLY crackin' up!

But. . . I'm sad you're in pain. . . NOT GOOD!

Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Apr 26, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
I have one at 4mm and my urologist warned me to stay hydrated. None of these long waterless days in full sun, for Heaven's sake. We found it on a CT scan. It also turns out I have dual piping out of my kidneys... rare but not unheard of. How fun.

I remember as a kid, my Dad had a bad attack of a kidney stone that started to move. He was rolling and groaning terribly on the family couch. I was all alone with him and about 6 years old. I was terrified. Dean, it was clearly about all the man could take. I do sympathize. Fortunately aside from the pain, the ailment is not completely deadly.
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