Drug Busts in Yos. The Leo's are busy makin' $$$


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Trad climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 25, 2013 - 11:50am PT

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Apr 25, 2013 - 11:53am PT
The Investigative Unit’s Elyce Kirchner uncovers citations and arrests for drug-related issues in Yosemite climbing over the past five years and compares those numbers to other popular national parks.

So does this mean there are drug-related issues amongst Yosemite climbers? Or does this mean the frequency of drug-related issues is increasing?

Hard to say from the nebulous writing; but there is more climbing in Yosemite than the average national park, so be careful before making statistical inferences.

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Apr 25, 2013 - 11:53am PT
Does this mean I have to leave my Viagra at home?
Wade Icey

Trad climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 11:54am PT
anybody remember Journalism...this is not it.

The Hot Kiss on the end of a Wet Fist
Apr 25, 2013 - 11:57am PT
That's funny, Ice. I was thinking the same thing.

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2013 - 11:57am PT
No it is not good journalism by any means. It appears with the proliferation of legal and medicinal weed on the state level, the Feds are still enforcing their stance on the issue. Has to be a good money maker for the gov't with the fines paid.

Sequester budget cuts....naggh just search the hippies.

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 25, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
Pot laws in CA and CO have made traveling in the parks or in NV and UT horrible if you have plates from either state. Friends have been pulled over for turning their blinker on 3 seconds before turning, which is apparently not long enough... or going 10 UNDER the speed limit... or simply fitting the profile of a drug dealer (which is apparently anyone under 40 in an SUV, van, or lezbaru wagon with CA or CO plates)... always looking for the marijuanas.

Ice climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
229 arrest for suspicious persons? wtf......

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Apr 25, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
Wes, your description of a profile of a drug dealer is wrong. I was stopped in Arizona in 2006,
I am over forty, and at the time was driving a Honda Civic

So, be careful in Utah, and Arizona

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 25, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Apparently they have expanded the profile...

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 25, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
You do have to fog a mirror to qualify.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 25, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
The Investigative Unit discovered that national park rangers have detected a rising use of narcotics in the typically family-friendly park over the past five years.

Umm, yeah.....NOT!

Mountain climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
that is one fine piece of vintage-like hysteria. my favorite line, spoken with importance near the end:

"malcolm morgan doesn't really care why there are more drug issues here, he just wants the narcotics to stay away from young campers, ... [pause for effect and lower voice] ... like his eleven year old daughter."


Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Bet that dude in the video really likes 3-5 glasses of his nightly Franzia.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:27pm PT
They tried like crazy to bust me for pot in Yosemite a few years back. They pulled me over for crossing my lane line, then, when it was over, said not to speed anymore. I hadn't been pulled over for speeding! In between, they tried to wheedle the weed I wasn't carrying out of me. What a disappointment a Yosemite climber not having weed on him must have been.
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
sounds like a lost script from Dragnet

"this is the city, Yosemite, California..."

Trad climber
Nevada City
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
i wonder if yosemites unique federal status, compared to most parks, has anything to do with this. i know this subject came up in another thread.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
It figures that the cops in Yosemite primarily bust people for pot. The NPS budget should be cut as much as possible, to eliminate these as#@&%es. I hope the environmentalists are successful, too, in rolling back the development and returning Yosemite to a more natural state.
patrick compton

Trad climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
I like the irony that your average climber who smokes weed has 10% body fat, while the typical RV touron is a pasty fat-ass from the midwest who will cost the health care system a lot more.

If I were a LEO, I would bust people for drinking sodas and fast food.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
I would bust people for sodomizing the bears.

Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:53pm PT

I would bust people for sodomizing the bears.

Fuk off Jebus!
patrick compton

Trad climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
Lol... i can't see that trying to sodomizing a bear would go very well.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
I'd bust the bears for assault too.

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 25, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
Drug sniffing BEARS....coming to a NP near you!
Big Mike

Trad climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
So funny. Alcohol does way more damage but it's freely available anywhere....

Try and buy papers in the park and they send the leo's after u!

Trad climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 02:41pm PT
what a load
Captain...or Skully

Apr 25, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Leo's were saving that cash cow for now, apparently. THis is NOT a new "trend", or whatever.
Frickin' Tool.
THat said, I know there are a couple Rangers that aren't total tools, but I shy away, for my own protection.

Trad climber
Reno, NV
Apr 25, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
i can't see that trying to sodomizing a bear would go very well

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Apr 25, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
would they bust John Muir for taking a crap in the woods?

and if he did crap in the woods, would anybody smell it?

legal in WA, most potent weed grown near Mt Rainier,

but no smoking in Mt Rainier because it is a NP, wtf, over, jus sayin,

Yosemite needs the Buffalo Soldiers again,

they would give you a warning and then twist one up,

worst crime ever committed in the Ditch was done by a park ranger,

Social climber
Telluride, CO
Apr 25, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Yosemite has exclusive jurisdiction - meaning federal laws apply, not California laws. Only federal agents, primarily NPS rangers have authority and enforce the laws they want. By contrast, Grand Canyon has concurrent jurisdiction and the Coconino County Sheriff gets to take over any investigation, search or rescue he wants. The NPS at Grand Canyon has to inform the Coconino Sheriff of all major incidents. If I can remember back 35 years, Yellowstone is the only other National Park with exclusive jurisdiction. The table of arrests might reflect the different types of jurisdiction in the parks listed...

When I was an evil Valley Ranger 35+ years ago, there was a huge emphasis on busting people for drug use. I felt there was not enough emphasis on busting people wrecking the natural resources or on violent crime, especially rape & sexual assault.

It is all very confusing and travelers never consider jurisdictional changes and how they should alter their behavior.

Thankfully long gone from the world on NPS LEO

mars...it's near nevada...
Apr 25, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
wish they would bust all the tourists taking shits off the trails instead...
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Supertrooper reference not lost....
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
Repeat for the ten thousandth time: It's a plant.

LEOs get bored, their bosses get hard-ons, and campers get stoned and stupid.

For whatever reasons that they are upping the heat, it's a shame they have to target the ones who pay to enter the Park (virtually everyone). It seems kind of unfair of the Feds, but they're Feds, so give it up.

They should drop the penalties to probation only. They (NPS) don't need the piddly amount they get from fines and don't let them tell you different. And don't anybody tell me different. You know I'll just duck it, cuz I hate arguing on the net. If you can PROVE the NPS is suffering from money problems THAT much, OK.

All we climbers and lurkers have to do is to take care of our own selves when we are in LEO's yard.

Which means look both ways and, like Davey Crockett said, make sure you're right, then go ahead.

There are lovely places in the taluses to doob it--why smoke on the valley floor?

And at risk of hypocrisy, how can anyone be so lame as to smoke in their vehicle while on the road in the Park nowadays? Of course I used to do it, but we were all young, dumb, etc., and the scene was much different.

So despite Werner's assertion to Donini that it's all the same in Yosemite Valley, I beg to differ in this social aspect. But it is the same old dirt and trash and so forth.

It used to be a game, man. Now they're serious. And it's still just a friggin' plant.

"For the TIMES and the CRIMES, they are a-CHANGN'."--Earlie May

edit for cheers: Dingus, you amaze. I didn't know you were that HARD! A one-armed attempt on Fairview? Tripoddin'.


Somewhere out there
Oct 22, 2014 - 04:57pm PT
From the video:
"yeah, I think it does take away from this place, knowing that that environment is hear"...

we didn't get to hear the whole comment, but I am sure he was not talking about the environment of park rangers on the prowl looking for anything with which to get an arrest. Drugs is up, but not at all due to the laws changing over the last 20 years, and the park rangers are still scrambling to get as much money from the feds as possible sooner rather than later because short sightedness is rampant in the NPS LEO departments...

(just never mind the percentage of "drug" crimes reported have anything to do with the legal limbo that medical marijuana patience have to deal with if they choose to visit the wonderful park with the large gang of park rangers on patrol)

Give them a gun...
Give them a badge...
Give them a vest... and Done.
Better than all the rest.

I have a MMA card... it gives me no extra freedoms.... it could potentially tag me as the one to investigate if a ranger ever found out I was...


Am I supposed to trust NPS LEO?

Pardon me if I prefer to skip the sights until they figure that whole freedom to move about without being accosted by LEO for having a card on my person...


Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Oct 22, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
Let's see:

Joshua Tree - not a ditch crammed with campers

Yellowstone - not a ditch crammed with campers

Grand Canyon - a ditch, but not one crammed with campers.

Does that clear things up?
Ojai Alex

Trad climber
Ojai, CA
Oct 22, 2014 - 05:25pm PT
Not one mention of the "John Muir Hotel"?

Trad climber
Starlite, California
Oct 22, 2014 - 05:51pm PT
I'd already mentioned my experience of getting tooled on Tioga, on my way to, and returning from, SFO. Pulled over, I was asked if I “was carrying MJ or firearms.” I was so surprised by the direct question that I didn't even have to think twice to decline their following request to search my vehicle.

I never made the connection between the Cali MMC and Federale jurisdictions – now I see.

"Try and buy papers in the park and they send the leo's after u!"

BITD, a helpful retail clerk suggested I purchase a package of TOP Tobacco roll your owns – they come w/paper.

cutlass supreme
Oct 24, 2014 - 11:30am PT
Rock climbers smoke pot? Is that how they get the rope up there?

Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
Oct 24, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
I was in UT a few weekends ago...I didn't get pulled over. Was in Yosemite just before and was not pulled over. It's safe out there - go have fun but do it on the DL!

Oct 24, 2014 - 01:49pm PT

Are they also combining the busts with civil forfeitures? (total bullshit) I though that the feds were going to stop with the pot prosecutions, but they might have only publicized that to make it easy to bust folks. They always go after the easy pickin's, so if you have Colo or Wash plates, might want to reconsider carrying mj into the valley. And always say "NO, I don not consent to my vehicle being searched." Especially if you are clean.

Oct 24, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
Weird I know a yos LEO and he's made it pretty clear that pots a low priority do not harass unless blatantly being used in front of LEO or kids.

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