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tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 25, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
Do you smoke pot, at the crag?
Do you drink alcohol at the crag?
Do you play music without using personal earphones(that don't let the sound spill over to be heard by others) at the crag?
Do you allow your children to be freewheeling and have running around at the crag? If your child is an infant, have you recently brought that child into an are where there was even the most remote possibility of something falling from above and taking them out in the blink of an eye?
Have you brought your antagonistic relationship; the one in which you find yourselves bickering regardless of the fact others are witnessing it, to the crag?
Have you screamed like a two-year old having a tantrum when you can't pull the crux on a route you are redpointing?
Have you brought a bevy of others who barely climb to the crag and hung topropes, and then set up for a day of picnicking and (very little actual) climbing at the crag?




i can honestly say i do not do any of that sh#t. as for beer bottles at the crag 99% of the beer bottles and cans i pick up are from day hikers not climbers.
Alpamayo

Trad climber
Chapel Hill, NC
Apr 25, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
Never met a dog at the crag I didn't like.

Bring em!
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Apr 25, 2013 - 06:17pm PT
I have two dogs.

One, I would never think of bringing, he'd be a PITA and I'd have to keep an eye on him.

The other, I'd never think of leaving at home. He knows the deal. He may cruise around and wag his tail at others, and approach if it seems wanted. Doesn't chase things. Sits at the base of multi pitch climbs waiting for me. I don't have to watch him closely, he's nine and has been climbing with me since I got him at eight weeks.

So, there's no cut and dry answer. It's like humans, some you don't want to be associated with at the crag. Others make you look good just for being there with them.

Woof!

Edit; one thing I taught my older dog from the get-go was the command 'Self Entertain'. If he's harassing me to play stick or ball with him and I'm not into it, I tell him in a stern voice to self entertain. No kidding, he doesn't take it as a command to go away, he will take his stick or ball to the top of an incline and nudge it downhill with his nose, jump on it, chew it, and repeat. He will do this every time I tell him.

It's a good command to teach your dog, though many dogs may lack the brains to learn it.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Apr 25, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Brandon are you sure he sits there patiently? You aren't there. A couple times I've seen dogs completely change personality once their owners were out if sight. When the owners returned it was all tail wagging and happy. When I told the owners this they doubted me. But when I told one of them a guy was throwing rocks at his dog because it was being aggressive/territorial he believed me.

I'd suggest spying on your dog from a distance to make sure and keep in mind some
Asshole may attack or walk off with your dog.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Apr 25, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
Indeed. I spied on him quite a few times before I trusted him unsupervised. I found that he would wander up to 20 meters but not cause any trouble. That said, I only leave him alone unleashed for long periods when appropriate. If it's a multi pitch crag with a bunch of other parties, I won't bring him.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 25, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
Goldie looks like a great companion and friend Philo.



But as a belayer, I'd train her to stay awake at least:-) Maybe share a little AM coffee in the dog bowl? LOL
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 25, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Kab, what About wolves at the crag?
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Apr 25, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
Dogs lick ballz









Don't try to tell me they don't







Unless of course they're a B!TCH



















Jus messin wid you dog lubbers
Betty Uno

Mountain climber
Colorado
Apr 25, 2013 - 08:20pm PT

That is disgusting, the part about the dog ripping up the goslings.

Perhaps next time you could take videos of the dog, and the dead young birds, and the guy saying "It's no big deal," and post it on youtube and elsewhere.

I say next time, because right now, as we speak, some other "nature lover" is letting his dog do the same thing, and it's spring, nesting season.

It used to be people respected spring and did not hunt or otherwise disturb the critters raising their young.

I know the one time I said to a guy standing directly under a sign saying "PLEASE KEEP YOUR DOG ON A LEASH IN THIS WILD LIFE PRESERVE" that he should, indeed, keep his dog on a leash, he snarled back; "What are you? The dog police?"

Believe me I give not one sh#t, so to speak, about dog sh#t. Just don't try to put it in my compost pile is all I ask. Yes, I have met someone so dumb they thought dog sh#t went in a compost pile for a vegetable garden, which is why I mention it. They ARGUED with me about it. LOL.

What I have seen in the spring, is that a dog turned loose can hunt out nests and young things and decimate them in very rapid order.

Then after the "fun romp" the owner puts the dog on the leash for the rest of the day, and thinks nothing of it.







Tripod? Swellguy? Halfwit? Smegma?

Trad climber
Wanker Stately Mansion, Placerville
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Ok. I'm here to have my limbs ripped off and my dog killed: I am the dog owner in question.
Here is the story and you can pass you comments as you feel fit.
I would start by saying that I have climbed well over 1000 days and 3/4 of those with one of 2 dogs that I have had over a 28 year climbing period. I have never in many hundreds of days had a dog eat any live animal or bird or bite any person. Not even a squirrel or mouse. Nothing. With this in mind I brought my family dog (who lives with 3 small kids)and let him kick around while I climbed. What I have done so many times. I heard all the noise from the geese but I kept looking over and could not see anything and figured it was mating season or something? A little later I saw two small chicks tumble down the hill side and then saw my dog on a ledge where they had come from. I got him immediately under control and watched what happened. The parents guided them up the hill and out of sight. I considered it a close shave and tied him up. Later I ran down to use the head and took him with me under voice control thinking all was as well as it could be. When I came back up the guy who started the thread and his 2 friends told me all was not well and he had killed 4 chicks. He was furious (I don't blame him). I went and inspected the carnage and found 2 dead chicks. I tied him up. At that point there was not much else to be done. I suppose I could have left but other than a token of apology it would not have changed anything. I finished the day of climbing. My dog sat at the base in the sun but that was no big deal. he's sat in the sun at rock bases his whole life.
I feel terrible because:
I was responsible for my dog killing wildlife.
The incident was very upsetting to other people there.
It's the kind of incident that could screw up access if the management find out about it.
I spoke at length with the CRAGS representative. For me it is a regrettable live and learn incident the likes of which has never happened before. The Quarry is a different situation than other locations with geese nesting all over and apparently in pretty easy to access spots. I've seen a number of dogs of climbers and hikers off leash and never thought much of it until now. Personally, if he can't run around and play there is no point bringing him so he can stay at home. Most of my climbing is at empty crags middle of the week and he usually the only dog around and just kicks back.
There are a lot of people who dislike any dogs at the crag and that's fine to hold that view. I don't like it myself when there are a bunch of dogs at a small crag like Gold Wall, but most of the time it's a very mellow scene with a friend and a dog and it's been that way for years and probably will be in the future. I spend a lot of time in the back country running at dusk and he keeps the mountain lion's at bay.
Anyway, it's a bummer all round but not one that will be repeated by me at least
Aidan
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
Credit: drljefe

How about dogs on top of the crag?
My dog met me at the top of a six pitch route a few weekends ago.
Yes, I leave her at the base. She has proven to not be a nuisance.

If others don't want to see a dog out at the "crag", fine.
We have the right to be there just like you have the right to do what you want.
If it bums your trip, split. When a loud group shows up, or any number of things I don't like when I'm out climbing, I split.
Easy as that.

the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:38pm PT
Very brave post Aidan. It's very clear you regret it, but you may still want to offer a clear apology to the OP, etc.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Not so easy when the dog is a big husky threatening to rip my face off because his slave human left packs at the base of the climb next to my pack which i can not retrieve without risking bodily harm....


manzanita man

Social climber
somerset, ca.
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
i bring my dog climbing all the time but since i only climb 5.4, im never around any REAL climbers.:]
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
What about bolted dog anchors at the base of all climbs? that should cover it.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Apr 25, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
yeah, 2 bolt anchors about 10 ft apart with the mutt on 2 six ft leashes. Bad dogs - 5 ft leashes. Dog anchor must be at least 20 ft from base of crag.

Owner must remain within 50 ft horizontal radius and 100 ft vertical radius.

Oh, and another dog nono - kinda like knocking sh#t over, but worse - dogs atop crags trundling rocks.



They really are cute though :)
treez

Trad climber
99827
Apr 25, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
I don't think the OP needs an apology.

He ruined his own day by freaking out. My wife does it all the time.

Who cleans up the goose sh#t? That's right, nobody.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:27am PT
treez, nice!

Don't pretend you dog h8ers haven't left your fair share of steaming piles in the woods... and ass wipe... and YOU knew better. Besides, my dog ate far more HUMAN sh#t from areas like Maple, AF, Joe's, Happies, Rifle, RRG, etc than he ever left. How much feces have YOU cleaned up from a crag? Exactly NONE.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:33am PT
Besides, my dog ate far more HUMAN sh#t from areas like Maple, AF, Joe's, Happies, Rifle, RRG, etc than he ever left.
Give that pooch a smooch. lol
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:35am PT
I live in auburn, and run in the canyon past the quarry many times each week. What a sh#t show the climbers have brought to the area. Dogs chasing/killing geese is definitely worth a call to the rangers. I forgot how sweet it was to have the place off limits. Climbers will get it shut down again soon and the locals can't wait.
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