Dogs at the crag

This Act makes it illegal to harm or injure a goose and damage or move its eggs and nest, without a Federal permit. Not complying with the Federal Act can result in fines ranging from $5,000 to $10,000 and this also applies to an untrained dog’s actions.

A criminal act requires intent. I seriously doubt you could prove that the irresponsible climbers intended for their dog to kill the geese. Also, this is a civil violation, something completely different from the exploitation of children.

this also applies to an untrained dog’s actions.

Everyone does Not like your dog. many folks are just being polite.

It's kinda like lighting up a cigarette in a non smoking area.

but the first two, pot and booze at the crag, are probably the most common, and I think it's a stretch to compare their impact to a problem dog's.

But then again there are canines that are perfect "Crag Dogs" ...

This is true. Rare, from what I've seen, but they exist.

I am a dog owner who believes that dogs have no place at the crags. It's kinda like lighting up a cigarette in a non smoking area. I'm also a non-smoker, and am offended my someone smoking nearby, but am normally too polite to tell them to Fuk off! Dog owners sometimes think everybody loves MY dog. Leave 'em at home. If bringing a dog to the crag offends just ONE person, that's too many.

Do you smoke pot, at the crag?
Do you drink alcohol at the crag?
Do you play music without using personal earphones(that don't let the sound spill over to be heard by others) at the crag?
Do you allow your children to be freewheeling and have running around at the crag? If your child is an infant, have you recently brought that child into an are where there was even the most remote possibility of something falling from above and taking them out in the blink of an eye?
Have you brought your antagonistic relationship; the one in which you find yourselves bickering regardless of the fact others are witnessing it, to the crag?
Have you screamed like a two-year old having a tantrum when you can't pull the crux on a route you are redpointing?
Have you brought a bevy of others who barely climb to the crag and hung topropes, and then set up for a day of picnicking and (very little actual) climbing at the crag?

Besides, my dog ate far more HUMAN sh#t from areas like Maple, AF, Joe's, Happies, Rifle, RRG, etc than he ever left.

As we walked by each group, almost every dog cruised over to do some butt sniffing...(speaking of Butts, those young ladies in those groups sure had some nice ones!!!)...

I have two dogs.

One, I would never think of bringing, he'd be a PITA and I'd have to keep an eye on him.

The other, I'd never think of leaving at home. He knows the deal.

So, there's no cut and dry answer. It's like humans, some you don't want to be associated with at the crag. Others make you look good just for being there with them.

This is a fantasy planted in their head by their master, the dog.

Most dog owners seem to act as though everyone loves their dog

the fact that Fatal pitt bull attacks are over 60% of all fatal attacks and pitts are only 5% of the dog population seems to be a no brainer indicator that the breed is dangerous. the fact that pitt bull owners are in denial about this is also a no brainer....

The problem always arises when a dog owner decides what others should think about, feel about, and how they should act around their dogs.

Next week is National Dog Bite Prevention Week, and health care specialists, veterinarians and the insurance industry are trying to get out the word about reducing dog bite incidents this year.

In 2011, about 70 million dogs were living in U.S. households, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association, down from about 72 million in 2006. That means 36% of the population has canine companionship.

The downside to that statistic is the more than 4.7 million dog bites reported each year. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says 800,000 Americans seek medical attentional annually for dog bites. Of those injuries, nearly half require emergency room treatment. Dog bite rates are highest among children ages 5 to 9, and related fatalities average 16 a year.

Along with any physical and emotional damage, these incidents have financial costs. The Insurance Information Institute estimates that insurers paid out nearly $489 million in dog bite claims last year. Giant insurer State Farm says it dealt with 3,670 dog bite claims in 2012, paying out more than $108 million on them.

State Farm recently released a list of the top 10 states for dog bite claims in 2012:

State
Number of claims
Amount paid (est.)

1. California
451
$17.1 million

2. Illinois
337
$9.0 million

3. Texas
236
$4.3 million

4. Ohio
235
$5.0 million

5. Pennsylvania
165
$4.5 million

6. Michigan
151
$4.6 million

7. Indiana
148
$2.7 million

8. Florida
123
$7.1 million

9. Georgia
121
$3.3 million

10. New York
116
$6.4 million

Laws can vary regarding dog bites. Some states have what is known as the one free bite rule. That is, if a dog bites and injures someone -- and has never done so before -- the owner isn't liable for those injuries.

According to the Dog Bite Law website, the rationale behind the one-bite rule "was that domestic animals by definition were not injurious, and therefore liability could be predicated only on the defendant's knowledge that a particular animal had a propensity to behave in manner that was injurious to humans."

Most general liability provisions in a homeowners insurance policy will cover the owner for dog bites. However, some dogs can be excluded, according to San Diego law firm Laureti & Associates, if the dog "is a breed known to be, or (has) the propensity to be, dangerous."

State Farm says it doesn't refuse insurance based on the breed of dog a customer owns because "under the right circumstances, any dog might bite."

I'm gunna git it furItalic Text that one! lol