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Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
No #4's Jaybro

Thanks, TGT - It seemed from the way he spoke that a flush was not going to remove the buildup sufficiently. At any rate, I have given the go-ahead for the work.

Canyoncat - You have already been shown to be just another coward regular on Supertopo who either hasn't got enough character to post under their known profile, or have made the CanyonCat profile to bolster their positions written through primary profile.

"Promise" you? Like you care one whit's about me...

How about YOU show who you are, instead of hiding under the anonymous character. At least I have the strength of character to post the truth about who I am, what I am doing and where I am struggling. At least if I want to tell someone what I think, I will do it under my own, verified, profile.

Social climber
The internet
Apr 18, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
Reads like you need a new radiator, for sure. Sadly, you'll want to have the guy stick in another thermostat as well. Same reason as last time - thermostats do not survive overheating. Also - a chemical flush won't do sh#t. $400 sounds okayish, might sound better if I knew what sort of refurb bullshit they are planning to install. Price it out on your own at NAPA and insist they use at least that quality level, or you'll likely be back here in a few months. Just say "fuq no" to "Cardone" rebuilds - dog$hit.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Apr 18, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
You can get one through Amazon quickly (they usually ship from Phoenix) for about 150 bucks if you can find someone to install it.

Skip the flush, bad idea

The Desert Oven
Apr 18, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
Canyon cat, you are a total dick.

Happie, good luck!

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 18, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
make you a cool dirt bag.

Oh blech....barf...cough...ha ha...
The last thing Happie has ever tried to do is be "cool". She a genuine, caring person who lives a nomadic life style with limited resources. She does it to follow her heart...hardly to be "cool". If it bugs you that she frequently needs van help input get over it.

Please tell me you will now stay in one place long enough to earn enough to support yourself and the dog, and pay for reliable transportation.

She also doesn't need to tell you a GD thing about how she is going to live her life...when did you become her overseer? What pompousness.

Go walk a dog, flush a toilet, get your mail...something useful.

Happie has the guts a lot of us wish we had...hugs to Teddie, Hap, sounds like you won't be in the Valley this fall...will miss seeing you two!

Juan Maderita

Trad climber
"OBcean" San Diego, CA
Apr 18, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
Not surprising at all that the radiator core is clogged. A chemical flush might increase cooling the efficiency enough to work for a while.

Start saving up for a new radiator. You will likely need one. A chemical flush will give some improvement, but it's not going function like a new one. Is your radiator core a two row? Spend the extra $50 or so and get a 3 row, (w/ metal tanks).

$400 for a new radiator, installed, sounds about right.


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Joshua Tree
Apr 18, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
So let's run this scenario:

$4 Benjamins for a new radiator. How long before the water pump goes? Has it been replaced already? It's a simple job...but so is pulling and replacing a radiator. Cheap if you do it, not cheap to pay someone to do it. They frequently wear out and leak at the shaft or seize, and domestic water pumps are not known for especially long life IME.

At some point it stops making sense to put more money in a rig. It's one thing when you are actually doing the labor and diagnostic work yourself, because parts are pretty cheap and abundant as rebuilt, salvage, etc. But when you are paying $60/hr labor, that's a different ballgame.

Flag is a nice town. I'd lay down roots and get stable for a while, get some cash in the bank, and forget the northeast for the time being. Who wants humidity and bugs anyway? Or sell the beaterbucket to the salvage yard and put toward a bus/train ticket. But that's me.

Once you start buying a new used rig every year with a net outlay of $1000 once you've sold/junked the prior one, you might as well be driving a newish car. Gas and maintenance savings alone will pay for the car if you're willing to go with a car rather than van. That's the calcs I ran when I decided to park the '98 Sable and get a lightly used Prius.

Adventure comes in all flavors I guess, just chalk this up as one of them.
Captain...or Skully

Apr 18, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
I don't read some of these guys as "picking on you", either. Facts are facts.
Road trips demand a certain amount of mechanical know how, or at least some "afro-engineering" know how.
Good luck.

Trad climber
phx AZ
Apr 18, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
I'm glad you found the root of the van problem . Always a menagerie of joy and sorrow with older ( read no car payment) vehicles.
Dapper Dan

Trad climber
Menlo Park
Apr 18, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
edited ...

Good luck with your van .


Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
No offense, but any guy who tells another guy they are "dumb as a brick" is being an as#@&%e. Picked on - no. There have been some other ashole comments, but in general, most people have been nice, even when they are saying things that are uncomfortable to read.

Unless I am remembering wrong -
This van has had ONE issue I have discussed with this board, before this. And this turns out to have been the root cause(we sure hope!) of that same problem.

The old van had a problem with the fuel pump, which I discussed with this forum. And on the way home from last trip, it started running poorly, and I posted about it.

So, this is the "repeatedly" that is annoying at least a few people.

There is nothing I can do, if someone wants to be an ass. or if someone wants to suggest I ought to do something that would work for them, even though it doesn't for me. Or if someone wants to point out what they see as my flaws. I can assure anyone here - I am fairly well aware of my flaws. And guess what - I have several more that have never even been mentioned here. Just like each and every one who has pointed their fingers at me.

I do take things to heart - you tell me you think I am (whatever)- I feel it. More than most people do. Whether that is an accurate assessment or not. I am tired - very tired- and I would like to ask for the kindness that, instead of accusing me of being stupid,irresponsible and the like - take a look around yourself and see if there is someone you can hold a door for, move out of the way on the sidewalk for when they are carrying a cumbersome load, have difficulty in movement, or are managing children, or let the person trying to turn onto the road in, instead of edging forward to "f 'em". I can guarantee you, it will feel much better than berating me.
Big Mike

Trad climber
Apr 18, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Good on ya Terrie. Canyoncat is a troll and a b!tch. Read her history. She has never had a single positive thing to say. She should be deleted. Fvck off Canyoncat. We don't need sh!theads like you around here!

Take these guys advice and get the water pump and the termostat done too while you're at it. I know you had thermostat done allready but they don't survive overheating. you have allready told us your temp gauge doesn't work anymore. (Overheating on normal)

Edit maybe but it presents it's self as a woman if you read it's history

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
It's rather probable that CanyonCat is a man.

Edit: I have seen CanyonCat's posts - they "do" present as a female. But others have mentioned that just cause it says it's female doesn't make it so. Bitter about females, more likely.
Big Mike

Trad climber
Apr 18, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
See edit
Big Mike

Trad climber
Apr 18, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
Ya crimpie sent me a nice letter but she won't hang around here anymore. We need all types people!

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Apr 18, 2013 - 05:14pm PT

Terrie and I have had our moments here...

That said, I see ZERO reason to give her ANY sh!t...

She's already in a LOAD of it, so why the fuk feed that flame???...

My ONLY advice here (Nothing to do with the Van) is that you DON'T "Slip"...

Stay STRONG!!!...


Trad climber
New River, AZ
Apr 18, 2013 - 05:18pm PT
I wonder how you would be perceived if you drove a 1963 VW double cab or a 70 VW Van and asked for help?

Big Wall climber
Apr 18, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
AA club is the first person to call.

hang in there!

don't use this as an excuse to drink :)

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
I am not going to drink(so far as I can tell). That was "lifted" as they say in AA.

I am also really lucky that I recognize the things that a body screams to do for relief when that f'ing AA ruins the drinking(said with all the love for AA in the world).

But the feelings are still there.

Social climber
The internet
Apr 18, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
I'd put a new radiator in that beast for sure. Good call to get an extra row of cores if possible - ie 3 or 4 instead of 2 - let the thermostat compensate. You're obviously marginal with whatever is in there, bet it's a 2 core or a totally trashed 3 core. I'd also consider ordering it and having a friend install. This is another piss easy 30 min (max) repair for someone who knows wtf they are doing.
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