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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
yes, welfare

is there a point?

should we end all "welfare" to make sure that no future terrorist is not on it?

that way we won't feel indigent?

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2013 - 12:18pm PT
I for one think it odd that we let those in here claiming to be a refugee, and they get better benefits than those born here.. I find it repulsive to think my tax money went to the pockets of those that went out and bought nails and ball bearings to use against the very people that were helping them..



in the meantime,, "Dad" has decided NOT to come co-operate with the FBI, and "MUM" wonders if she will be arrested when coming here. And they are diggin in the local dump to find a laptop from these poor taken advantage of youths..
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Apr 26, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
I for one think it odd that we let those in here claiming to be a refugee, and they get better benefits than those born here.. I find it repulsive to think my tax money went to the pockets of those that went out and bought nails and ball bearings to use against the very people that were helping them..

WHAAAAAAT? That is not normal, Ron. People that come here from other countries deserve a lot more benefits than those who worked their ass off paying taxes and living here all their life. (sarcasm)

I work in a day care center for seniors. For some reason people that are born/raised in US have to pay out of own pocket to attend centers like this one. Those who weren't get to attend for free. Does not make sense to me since those who were not raised here, did not pay taxes here. Would make more sense to have people who did pay taxes here all their life attending for free...at least to me it makes sense.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Apr 26, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Moose, you're seeming extremely lucid.


If you don't mind my asking, when did you emigrate to the states? At what age?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Well,, please tell Moose that the majority of those deaths he talks of are suicides. Be thankful there are good tools to use, its way better than slowly bleeding out from slashing wrists i would imagine...
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Apr 26, 2013 - 01:16pm PT
If you don't mind my asking, when did you emigrate to the states? At what age?

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Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Apr 26, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
Apparently the feds have detained a couple of the bombers friends in Boston. Why do I find a bit of humor in their customized licence plate?

"Kadyrbayev's father, Murat Kadyrbayev, told Kazak news website Tengri News that Kadyrbayev and Tazhayakov were in Tsarnaev's social circle but nothing more. The father also said a "TERRORISTA #1" vanity plate on a BMW jointly owned by the two young men was just a joke."

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
No wonder "PA" is staying home...And how in the H did those two boobs drive a BMW?>?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 26, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
For some reason people that are born/raised in US have to pay out of own pocket to attend centers like this one. Those who weren't get to attend for free. Does not make sense to me since those who were not raised here, did not pay taxes here. Would make more sense to have people who did pay taxes here all their life attending for free...at least to me it makes sense.

Can you tell us what specific government program provides funds to immigrants, but not to US citizens?
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Apr 26, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
DR F,

You're arguments are the same as the Muslim extremist.

Your spew is word for word the same as their justifications for suicide bombings.

The fact you can not see this with your level of education, is frankly shocking.

You can not see the deference between self defense and unjustified murder?

Perhaps, you should take care to keep your defense of extreme terrorist behavior off the net.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Apr 26, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Vitaliy: Prefect great idea

True Australia was created this way but this island is small and with so many of them they pretty much have a two square feet standing zone between them. Just enough to take a Dum% or #2. But no paper.

First you get the producer to bury all kinds of drugs on one side of the island: hide and bury beer and hard liquor: whiskey, tequila in another area; next would be the guns most likely on the other side, some easy to find but some harder to find and some with the pins taken out, some ammo 1 mm larger than the arms to match that they find so they would jam.

Have the weather predict when it is going to be a hot spell for a least ten day period, they might be lucky and get breezes coming off one side of the island. No trees just brushes, maybe a few rocks to get under to find shelter from the heat of the sun.

Put out buoys around the island with the sign saying; WARNING Area within these buoys have pens/cages that contains hundreds of sharks that automatically open when any movement within 50 yards. You have Hollywood make up 50 to 60 fake ones to make roam around the island making it look real.

The producer hands out each Banger a card [one side in English the other side in Spanish] with map of the island, trails, beach areas. Diagram and instructions showing how to get water from the sea to use with the rations that are dehydrated and for drinking. The ones in the photo do not need water for the food, if you want to make the electrolyte drinks or coffee then you will need a source of water. The chewing gum that these packs come in is pretty bad but helps in keeping moisture into the mouth.

Credit: lostinshanghai

To make it more exciting the producer tells them some of the rations might be booby trapped with explosives underneath if you try to touch them.

But Hollywood executives might argue they like the idea but since advertising is what we rely on for profits there would probably two, maybe three shows. Now if you get them to change their minds and make it a 24, 36 hours with ads going for five minutes then back to the island for 2 minutes or three showing what’s going on I think they will do it. Tons of money it.

Plus all the betting in Vegas: How many left, the timing when it is all over, who finds what first, who gets shot at the closest time the bets says.

State wins, Military not involved, cities save on less crime; police are happy and just go back to arresting young kids going for joy rides. The prisons guards: State since they are union and private sector will protest will be the big challenge. But there will be a 2014 show that will have more and exciting things added.

Good idea I like that. Just need a name for this reality show.

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 26, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
WTF????
I'm not even fearful of terrorists, I say it's all hype, overblown right wing knee jerk reactionary-ism
Like Moose said, there are 10,000 gun deaths a year, and no one cares about them. It's total hypocrisy based on fear.

I'm just pointing out the BS of the Muslim hating wack jobs

maybe you should take your self off the Internet, for lack of comprehension skills.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
well there ya go again doc,, broad brushing "muslim" over radical islamists.

So ok,, let us go with that for just a moment?


How,, does a TRUE muslim assimilate into american culture be it work place or public? Their beliefs are NOTHING like advanced societys. Womans rights? The only right a woman has is to be beaten for anything and everything. Gay rights?? Yeeesh dont wanna go there. Taxes? they dont believe in that system. they are already suing over religious beliefs at the workplace, so they may pray openly when needed. So just how does our two cultures truly merge?

So anyhoo,, most of us here on the "other" side of the coin say radical islam, and you say Muslim. Just to keep the record straight here.
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Apr 26, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Dude.

Really, you're almost claiming that the extremist are justified, in their terrorism.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The wars in the ME by the USA where self defense, in reaction to 9/11.

Do you think the suicide attacks are justified by this?

Do you think suicide bombings are OK because of the US caused deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Simple Question Craig Fry.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Apr 26, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
How,, does a TRUE muslim assimilate into american culture be it work place or public? Their beliefs are NOTHING like advanced societys. Womans rights? The only right a woman has is to be beaten for anything and everything. Gay rights??

What horse sh#t.

I have known several people over the years who are Muslim and are completely assimilated with beliefs which are "as american as apple pie.". One whose father worked at NASA in a high level position. You seem to be referring to a sect of radicalized people, referring to stereotypes, and dumping every Muslim into that group! Absurd, and frankly, disgusting.

I wonder if you realize that in some conservative Jewish sects, here in the USA, a woman needs her husband's acceptance in order to become divorced? He can "be compelled" to accept, is she can present a case to the rabbi, but if he is just a standard everyday jerk, and doesn't care to be divorced? He can refuse, and the woman will not be able to be remarried in a traditional marriage.

And you have the audactity to use gay rights as support to your gibberish, when gay rights was (incredibly) an actual point of contention in THIS country during the recent presidential election. Where, in this country, you have supposed Christians carrying signs of protest that say "God hates Fags."
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
hey hiipiemyvanisdeadagain girl,, i said a "TRUE MUSLIM" and if you know anything of that faith youd know what i meant.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Apr 26, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
If I may ask - how does this easily available web page answering the question "How to Define a True Muslim" defer from your verison?

http://voices.yahoo.com/how-define-true-muslim-3525671.html?cat=34

A true Muslim is God-fearing. He fears none but Almighty Allah. The fear of God guides him and helps him stay away from evils and empowers him to resist satanic temptations. He holds the commandments of his Lord most dear to him and obediently fulfills them with great pleasure. He performs five times prayers regularly and punctually with immense pleasure and proper concentration.

A true Muslim loves Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him), the last prophet of Islam, more than his own dear life, for he believes that his faith remains incomplete unless he loves his prophet above all else. Having unshakable belief in the Holy Quran revealed on the prophet of Islam, he also has firm belief in the saying of Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him). He never doubts in the veracity of Hadiths (the sayings of the prophet). The pleasure of Allah and his Apostle Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is his ultimate goal.

With fulfillment of the rights of God, a true Muslim takes every care not to neglect the rights of people. The rights of people are equally important for him. He tries his best not to hurt anyone and do full justice with everyone who comes into his contact. He is polite, courteous, kind, generous, forgiving and honest in his attitude towards the people he meets in his day-to-day life. Once he promises, he never breaks it or back out of it. He takes utmost care to fulfill all his commitments with people. A true Muslim is indeed a man of words.

Islam connotes Peace. It is indeed a religion of peace. Its true followers are all peace-loving people. A true Muslims hates violence and extremism. Ironically and regrettably, Muslims are being maligned and labeled as terrorists these days because of some gross misconceptions among western media, which needs to understand the true picture or reality before it goes ahead to say something about Islam and its followers. Just because of a few misguided Muslims, one cannot blame the all the Muslims in the world. A good car cannot be blamed because of its careless or inexperienced driver.

A heart of a good and true Muslim is free from hatred, bias, prejudice, rancor, grudge and ill-will. He loves all irrespective of his caste, color, creed or religion. He is not narrow-minded. He wants love and peace to rule supreme in the entire world. He believes in equality, brotherhood, unity and love for all.

To conclude, a good Muslim always seeks salvation from His God. The worldly failures or success is immaterial for him. He aims at ultimate success--- to win the pleasure of Allah and his apostle to be successful Herein and the Hereafter.



As well, when you feel a need to abuse a person by making fun of their name, as you have done to me, it does not speak well of your character.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
Well youve been takin a crack or two at me of late,, but if you cant handle that back,, i understand.

Now,, as for your Yahoo.com answer to true muslim, all i will suggest is READING the Qua-ran.. Then get back to me.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Apr 26, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
And all of this because two FBI agents did not do the proper procedures and here we are back to trying to get it right the next time and hopefully keeping what little rights when it comes down to just expressing a feeling or thought and put on a Government list just like it was back in the late 60's, 70's.

Sad

'As well, when you feel a need to abuse a person by making fun of their name, as you have done to me, it does not speak well of your character.'

Well said
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Apr 26, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
Ron....please point out the abuses I have inflicted on you.


As for your dismissal of my point with "Read the Quaran, and then get back to me," that is all you have done -sidestepped answering a question. I am sure you are aware there are many passages in the Christian bible which would have some wackos believing all sorts of strange things and behaving in ways which would end them in jail, in this society. Yet for some reason, that is easy enough to ignore for your purposes.

Listen - I think that if those guys who did the bombing are guilty, then they deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. But I also think it is doing a real injustice to many people of this country and this world to flock to the stereotypes you seem to be relying on.

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