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WBraun

climber
Apr 26, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
FBI write up.

http://cryptome.org/2013/04/tsarnaev-complaint.pdf

Then these pages are NOT for sensitive people (warning)

http://cryptome.org/2013-info/04/boston-bombs-02/boston-bombs-02.htm

Degaine

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 06:50am PT
coz wrote:
The wars in the ME by the USA where self defense, in reaction to 9/11.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

The hijackers were Saudi and Egyptian.
Degaine

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 06:54am PT
ron anderson wrote:
The main difference is ,, that from what i see,, christians arent engaged in world wide mayhem..

GW Bush pretty much declared the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions as Christianity against Islam.


ron anderson wrote:
And if you mean i stereo type radical islam,, well yeah,, there is only ONE radical islam.

Actually, it isn't. Hizbollah, the PLO, Hamas, etc., are not extremists for the same reasons. Islam is cover for the underlying geo-political tension/conflict.

F'ckinA, Ron, pick up a book or a newspaper once in a while.
Degaine

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 10:48am PT
Hezbollah is Shiite and Hamas is Sunni.

But if I get the gist of what you're saying is that the protestant terrorism of the Ku Klux Klan in the USA and the Catholic terrorism of the IRA in Great Britain is all just the same "radical Christianity"?

What about the genocide in the Sudan? Two groups of Muslim faith involved. You'd have to know about the history of the area to understand that Islam had nothing to do with that conflict.

You just don't try to dig or think about things any deeper than scratching the Fox News surface, do you?
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:03am PT

Coz climbs 5.14. I know this because he told me. Several times.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:07am PT
The wars in the ME by the USA where self defense, in reaction to 9/11

I thought that was just their bullshit excuse.
Degaine

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:30am PT
ron anderson wrote:
Not talking about the Sudan conflicts. Im not talking about the Buddhists and muslim conflict either. Im talking about two Chechens who "defended islam" or 19 plane-jackers, or a Ft Hood person that killed for "allah".


So what you're writing in the above is that they're not all the same, right?

In other words we can't just make the sweeping "all attacks and conflicts are radical Islam" generalization, right? Each has its own geopolitical specifics, so it would be stupid (and unsafe) to approach everything with the same strategy and through the same lens, wouldn't it?
Degaine

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 11:33am PT
ron anderson wrote:
Now,, as for your Yahoo.com answer to true muslim, all i will suggest is READING the Qua-ran.. Then get back to me.


So you've read the Koran in it's original Arabic, right? And you have a strong grasp of 7th century Arabic, I assume (you know, as to not misinterpret expressions and all).

I probably shouldn't assume, it makes an ass out of you and me.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Apr 27, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
...picking up book or newspaper narrowly averted!!!!
Degaine

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
Ron,

You're asking people to read the Koran, but have you actually read the book or haven't you?

It's like Christians quoting the Old Testament as the literal truth, but have only actually read the thing in modern English instead of the original Hebrew (which is really an Aramaic dialect) and putting the expressions in the original Hebrew into their context. A simple example would be the number 40 coming up a lot, which was a number used to basically indicate "a long time". (40-day flood, 40 years in the desert, ...).

I'm not trying to refute that certain Muslim communities don't overreact to political cartoons depicting the prophet Mohamed in an unflattering way.

However, you seem to easily dismiss the violent parts of the Old Testament - stoning, animal sacrifice, et al, - as no longer applicable, as do many of the proclaimed religious in here do, and no one (other than one or two anti-semites on supertopo) attributes the violent Israeli policy in the occupied Palestine to violence in the Torah.

Yet for some illogical reason you attribute episodes of violence committed by a few Muslims to a small portion of the translated texts of a book written centuries ago (a book that you have not even read), and then generalize about not only the 1.5 billion Muslims across the planet (who most live in India, China, and Indonesia) as well as the extremist groups committing their violence in the name of Islam.

This radical ignorance on your part is just fine with guys like GW Bush and Cheney, because it allows them to (wrongly) invade countries in the Middle East like Iraq with your full and unquestioning support.
Degaine

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 12:08pm PT
ricky wrote:
Coz climbs 5.14. I know this because he told me. Several times.


Not sure why you wrote this. Coz clearly is an experienced climber, guide, and rigger.

He has my respect and my ear when it comes to climbing( and climbing equipment).

But he doesn't know jack sh#t about the Middle East, and I would say he almost as dangerously ignorant as ron anderson.
WBraun

climber
Apr 27, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Read this sh!t ...?

http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/26/boston-bombers-uncle-married-daughter-of-top-cia-official/
Tready

Trad climber
Quito
Apr 27, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
The Mideast has a pretty craptacular track record with women's rights; I don't think you'd find anyone who would argue that. There is progress being made on that front though, and it should be applauded, just like women/minorities continuing to get rights in the US.

I lived in Syria for just under two years, and my experiences appear to be the opposite of yours. Weird. Particularly the bit about women on the street always cowering. Didn't see it in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, or Egypt, though when I did travel I tended to be in the more urban areas (with the exception of Jordan). That could be a reason - those backwards places tend to be bastions for narrow mindedness and stupidity.

No one is saying those people in Boston deserved to be murdered, but you can't look at the US's foreign policy over the past decade and be shocked when some nutjob blows himself up in the name of Allah. Bush's invasions and Obama's drone attacks have been a better recruiting tool for those extremist groups than anything.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 27, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
The trend seems to be going backwards in terms of women's rights in the Middle East and North Africa, or Islamic culture. Sharia is becoming 'cool' again there.

Algeria and Tunisia appear to be fighting to be the exceptions. But, they're fighting it. Egypt, after Mubarak's fall, has gotten worse. People were supposed to be more "free" once the "brutal dicatator" was overthrown. Go ask women and Coptic Christians how that is going.

Afghanistan in the 70's was like Turkey of today. Chicks in skirts, and a general secular culture.

Islam is not the problem, per se. It just my need a reformation from within. Anybody, trust me I know this, can twist words and bend interpretations. As the Catholic Church did, Islam needs a reformation.

But, as I said, it seems to be getting worse, not more moderate. Pay attention to North Africa, Southern Thailand, and Southeastern India. Intolerance is spreading.

Radical Islam is on the march again. Let's hope it doesn't take another Crusade to stop it. Maybe it can be stopped from within.
Tready

Trad climber
Quito
Apr 27, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
Ron, what do you mean by “we don’t act like the Taliban here for the vast majority?” I don’t understand what you’re getting at with the other stuff about attacks against Muslims in the US either, or the rest of that paragraph, to be quite honest.

I will say, though that the whole “Tsarnaev doesn’t deserve any rights or a trial. We should just execute him” sounded very Taliban-esque to me.

Coz,

“HARD-WON PROGRESS AND A LONG ROAD AHEAD: WOMEN’S RIGHTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA” – Sanja Kelly

http://www.freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/270.pdf

The study, of which I skimmed the first 12ish pages, indicates that the Mideast/North Africa region is the worst in the world in terms of women’s rights, but to say there is no progress being made is wrong.

“Although the study indicates that a substantial deficit in women’s rights persists in every country in the MENA region, the findings also include notable progress, particularly in terms of economic opportunities, educational attainment, and political participation” (1).

“The most significant achievement occurred in Kuwait, where women received the same political rights as men in 2005, enabling them to vote and run for office, and paving the way for the election of the country’s first female members of parliament in 2009. In Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), the first women judges were appointed in 2006 and 2008, respectively”(2).

“In the UAE, eight women were appointed and one secured election to the 40-member Federal National Council (FNC), an advisory body to the hereditary rulers of the seven emirates. Previously, no women had served on the FNC, which until 2006 was fully appointed by the seven rulers. In other countries, such as Oman and Bahrain, the government has appointed an increasing number of women to unelected positions, including cabinet and diplomatic posts” (11).

Also, Saudi Arabia gave women voting rights in 2011.

Edit: Yeah, the whole Arab Spring really changed the landscape, and It'll be real interesting to see what that report says, should they do another edition in 2015.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 28, 2013 - 12:48am PT
Ron,

You're asking people to read the Koran, but have you actually read the book or haven't you?

This is the mistake. I do not need to understand Islamic faith or read a f*#king book. THEY need to bring their culture into the 21st century!

That does not mean they to have welcome degeneracy or immorality, but they need a reformation.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Apr 28, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
Bluering, the "read the Quaran" remark was made to Ron, in direct response to his posting the following:
Now,, as for your Yahoo.com answer to true muslim, all i will suggest is READING the Qua-ran.. Then get back to me.


He told ME to read the book, and someone asked him if HE had.


But as for "them needing" to do anything - who says? It is major horse crap to suggest that all the upset over middle eastern policy is due to their human rights issues, because of the way they treat women. This country doesn't give a rat's ass about how women in other countries are treated. The problem is - we want their resources, and we want them at bargain rates. And they don't want to make a deal.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 28, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
Good post Happiegrrrl,

Lost in the emotion posted here of the value of life to individuals, is the only thing that matters to holders of power is natural resources and who controls them.

The criminal Kissinger once imagined remedy for the majority of people on the planet as "thinning out the useless eaters"

Fun, huh ?

Only as long as you don't fall from grace and ask for help.


The goal has always been about becoming rich.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 29, 2013 - 12:18am PT
The problem is - we want their resources, and we want them at bargain rates. And they don't want to make a deal.

I gotta call BS here. We did NOt get their resources, we sat back and let the Chinese get all the f*#king contracts!

And why did we help overthrow Mubarak in Egypt, or Ghaddafi in Libya?

Oil? Resources? Crock of f*#king shit! Islam is a poison. And it's spreading.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Apr 29, 2013 - 12:27am PT
What is eternally fascinating to me is "enightened, feminists" defending Islam. And even converting!

They bash Western culture, saying men are sexist, misoginyst, but they embrace women's slavery in a veil.

What's also disappointing is that more women here don't CONDEMN sharia law and that treatment of women.

You silence is deafeneing!
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