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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
perhaps you should consider a new fork in life wes,, be the new Ralph Nader.


doc really,, identifying them as "right wingers" is as fair as branding ALL muslims as radical islamists. Only done for crappy little purpose. and we all know well what that is..

I said "more likely to be radical islamists", and i was right. They are in a league of their own. Not ONE conservative i know has ever blown anyone else up ,, illegally anyhow..And Not ONE Christian ive known ever went and killed someone else due to their religion..Illegally that is..
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
Ron said:

Just DO THE MATH Norton, the FBI broadcast pictures wanting info as to the identity's while having a file on them already..

ok, I WILL do the math, as you suggest

and while doing it, I am not coming to the conclusion that the FBI "lied"

there is not difference between a fib and a LIE in my book, both mean intentionally saying something that one knows for a fact is NOT TRUE


ok, so here goes Ron

1) Ok, so the FBI did "know" the brothers' identity from interviewing the older brother a couple of years ago and NOT finding, at that time, ANY reason to "suspect" him of anything, done, and he goes in the huge "file" of people interviewed but not actively tracked

2) the brothers commit their horror in Boston, and the "authorities" including local and national law enforcement ask the public for any pictures or videos of people carrying bags and maybe "leaving" the bags as in walking away
At that point, NO ONE has ANY "information", and it is NOT until the PUBLIC swamps the investigators with POSSIBLE pictures and videos do they notice the brothers WITHOUT the same bags they were photographed by the PUBLIC earlier

now they have some legitimate SUSPECTS

3) At that is point they again ask the public does anyone know WHO these people are who no longer have the bag, bearing in mind Ron that the "FBI" is as clueless as anyone else as to WHO the suspects are, all they know is some guys no longer have a bag

In fact, at that point the authorities still did not know the identities of the boys

So, NO, Ron, I did the "math" and I absolutely cannot conclude that the FBI "LIED" to the American people as you claim


I will simply suggest that your widespread and constant "suspicions" of our own "government" lead YOU to LOOK for and MAKE UP your own little conspiracy LIE
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
I think he's talking about you F

Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Left a thing or two out Norton. By the time they had the shoot out the HAD their identities- both of them. And Yes,, the FBI is swamped 24/7 with intel gathering through the internet especially. The count way over a million "americans" in contact with jihadist web sites currently.

But this is what CBS said :


CBS News reports although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers’ mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
Not ONE conservative i know has ever blown anyone else up ,, illegally anyhow

ever heard of Timothy McVeigh, the hard core "conservative" who "blown" up the Federal building in Oklahoma?

The WORST act of Domestic terrorism in this country?

McVeigh hated "big government" and he hated "liberals"


but that's just ONE instance:

How about the hard core "conservative" who shot Gabriella Giffords in the head and killed six other people in Arizona?

He was stoked on "conservative" hate for "Democrats" and he went to Gifford's political rally to kill her because she "voted" against "conservative" legislation

I could go on and on proving you WRONG, but I have made my point
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
i DONT, and or didnt "know" them...Just like i dont "know" you....


and Norton: CBS News reports although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers’ mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today.


Hope yur Surgery went well! But yur point is soft and flaccid.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 22, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
TGT...Very interesting... But STUPID.....
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
Dr. F is not the progressive type characterized in the video of TGT. He's just a character that loves to get the other side going and arguing and then bring in the minions for the screech and destroy mission. All in good fun. On the other hand that video was the clearest most articulate description i've yet heard of the progressive's tactics and goals.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
Why is everybody so fuking polite all of the sudden?

You are killing the ENTERTAINMENT!

Edit: I take it back. Just read Dr. F.'s post.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:30pm PT
Couch, what amazes me is everyone positively leaps to conspiracy rather than obvious incompetence. You can bet your ass the senior ranks FBI were playing an extended edition of "who's on first" once the bombs went off with everyone scrambling to see if someone - anyone - had any of the bases covered.

And therein lies the persistent problem with all of our investigative and intelligence services: heavy stratification, explicit and implicit fire-walling, rampant compartmentalization, ownership issues, and suspicion of other offices and agencies. Hell, they didn't track the older brother's Russia trip due to a frigging spelling error (and the fact they would have used exact name matching versus something like Levenshtein distance string approximation is downright scary in its own right). So, rather than a conspiracy, you can bet your ass it's nothing more than the symptoms of an agency Keystone Cops routine playing out in the light of day.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:41pm PT
Yes of course, like minded independents all talking off a remarkably similar script. You guys are down right agreeable today as compared to previous rant fests. Are we getting sentimental in our old age? Must be the common bond of mourning of the passing of one of our most revered pioneers.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
I'm really surprised no one on the Taco has made this connection yet.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=998398928448
http://www.silk-road.com/artl/timur.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

I mean come on isn't it obvious it's one and the same.
Even the FBI has.

Though I have to keep my source there secret.

cheers
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 22, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
No question Jh that it could merely, and most likely is, a case of bureaucratic quicksand and task shifting with hints of bureaucratic lazyness or just making a conclusion which was not later supported. Maybe it was the 2000th time they'd made the call and finally they missed this one. It certainly could be the case. They do the check, quick investigation and close the case out, leaving the info in the database while they move onto other work.

It seems rare that questions of such substance get raised so quickly, however, that might only be the internet at work. I wanted to put them on the thread as they had not be3en discussed or noted. At the end of the day, one still has to ask: "what if.....?"

We only learn of shocking things like Operation Mockingird a long time after the fact.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
"Screech and destroy mission" ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! GUD one Rick..!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 22, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
I'm really surprised no one on the Taco has made this connection yet.

Had to have dinner and talk gardening, but he was a pussy compared to his namesake.

Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population

All in the name of the "religion of peas"
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Apr 22, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
hey wildly speculating nit wits! check it out!

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Canadian+police+foil+potential+terror+attack+passenger/8278000/story.html


you see? Fukin El Quida and everything. This proves it - Canada is a real country with real enemies!

Will you guys please let us play now?
WBraun

climber
Apr 22, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
You guys are down right agreeable today as compared to previous rant fests.

OH ???

I'll be back later when I'm done finished watching my FBI covert shill training movie.

Double agent stuff.

Work both sides of the fence all wile working the third and fourth angles.

Like a the Russian doll within dolls inside more dolls.

Good stuff, I know ya all will be holding yer breaths for it.

Don't turn blue ......

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 22, 2013 - 11:16pm PT
Today: The F.B.I. responded by checking government databases for any criminal records or immigration violations as well as activity on Web sites that promote extremist views and activities. The investigators found no derogatory information, officials said.

In other words, the Russian FSB and SVR (KGB successors) did a better job tracking a US citizen who was a threat than did the FBI.

And, just guessing, but in a Post-9/11 world the amount of data to sift for threats has led to FBI senior management pressure to close leads as quickly as possible and move on to the next. I also see on just now checking, the FBI IT project to get off paper, which was stalled in 2006 is, like the FAA and IRS projects, still a complete disaster this many years later. So agents don't have a significant technical threat assessment or tracking capability, bummer.

Agents probably just get on google most of the time and see what pops up - not particularly sophisticated. Hell, if they just switched to Salesforce.com and tracked suspects like sales leads they'd probably be miles ahead of where they are now.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 22, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Bruce Kay you are sooooo late to the game. I posted that a zillion posts ago and the Yanks all but ignored it.


Carry on.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 22, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
Ahem.. I CONGRATULATED Canada for their Successful THWART! ;-)
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