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dikhed

climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
good one...interesting you would hope that ...nttiawwt
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 9, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
Need a few of these, or a lower cost alternative


http://www.deluxecctv.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1755&gclid=CNyp4OWTvrYCFeN_QgodN00AHA


Some in the popular taging locations, and some in the parking lot to record lic #s
ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Apr 9, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
I wonder if tagging would go down if paint cans weighed 10lbs a can...

too bad

guess this means I have to put my hiking shoes on to get to the pretty rocks!

cheers

ls
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 9, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
LADY SCARLETT ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR PAINT CANS?

GOOD LUCK PRYING MY PAINT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS.


This country was FOUNDED on paint!! Many of the founding fathers painted their homes and various items, I personally have a safe in my basement (next to 10 years worth of canned goods, a generator and a framed picture of Ron Reagan) with 3 gallons of paint after YOUR stupid politics raises the price again!

ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Apr 9, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
I'd not even TRY to take away your paint cans...

hell, those things weigh a LOT!!

and I'd probably break a nail trying something like that against you big paint can-lifting strongmen...

:P
cheers!

ls
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Clearly there is no fail safe way to stop taggers at JT.
But with a little bit of dogged commitment by the NPS, much can be done to lessen the amount.

Anyone who has been confronted by graffiti in their community knows two things:

1) The taggers are usually the same very small group of people.
2) if the graffiti is not removed promptly ASAP the problem will just snowball and this will result:

Barker Dam, Joshua Tree
Barker Dam, Joshua Tree

To deal with the taggers themselves is difficult to be sure.
But removing the vandalism immediately with daily monitoring is a no brainer.

I think the NPS in JT has been punting this problem.

Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Apr 9, 2013 - 04:56pm PT
Ever since Santa Clara County Parks printed signs and built a gate to seal off access to Summit Rock, the taggers and bottle breakers have been having a field day. The graffiti has spread and spread. It's just that climbers are so easy to identify as a user group that can be kept out of an area. A tagger at night with a spray can is a lot harder to catch than a climber with ropes and equipment. Climbers just need to insist on their identity as a valid recreational user group, just like mountain bikers and trail runners and dog walkers and equestrians. Those other groups are not labeled as "outlaws", only climbers.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 9, 2013 - 05:10pm PT
Thanks Mr Milktoast and others. I thought the paint was some sort of shithead summit register, it never occurred to me they'd mark their birthdates there.

Assuming it is birthdays, and assuming they have access to the names of these punks through "social media", matching identities should be simple.

Around here, they have to wind razor wire up and down the signposts on the freeways to deter the artistic little acrobats from marking up the signs with their scrawl. As you can see, it's not working very well.

I don't know how they're going to keep people out of Rattlesnake Canyon without it ending up being more effort than simply monitoring the taggers favorite targets for vandals.
Nobacon

climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
The so called 'park rangers' who rarely leave their vehicles don't even stop the very obvious violations. I have seen kids riding bikes offtrail at Hidden Valley, and a guy riding his horse through the desert (off trail) inside the park just past the entrance kiosk. But since we don't fund the parks, libraries, museums, research............... what do we expect?

And then, there is the issue of what happened at at Queen Mountain! (Shame on those climbers!)
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Apr 9, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
Closing it because they don't have the budget to do anything else. Fack, maybe up the ante and put up signs to the effect, which we all know they can't enforce. Better, $1,000 reward for info leading to arrest and conviction. Then the taggers need to do 100 hours Community Service in Josh, cleaning up that shit!

Lack of respect due to lack of education due to one f*#ked up society and an out of control ego.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Apr 9, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
Wasn't me!
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Apr 9, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Yeah, saw this crap when I was up there a few weeks ago. It was pretty low in the canyon but very obvious. Not art by any means.

Not sure how closing the canyon will do any good.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
So if ese and his homies tag the entrance signs and the kiosk are they going to close the whole park?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
By their script

ye shall know them.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:09pm PT
"So if ese and his homies"...
Seems a little racist
In LA everybody is a homie. I have grocery clerks calling me "homie".

wTF?

Wooooo....It's soooo racist.

Get outta here.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Let's get 50 people to form a conga line on South of Heaven, coz can ropegun!

That thing looks neat-O.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
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Let's get 50 people to form a conga line on South of Heaven, coz can ropegun!

That would go good on the face left of 200 Motels on Rattlesnake Buttress.
Killer hike. Hahahaha
The death hike and wilderness rappelling .

Anyone ever been up there?


Some of the resident wildlife.

We should be lucky he hasn't been tagged.


Very, very, very cool.

guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Apr 10, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
I wish I was still in that kinda of shape mister Davis, but if people are into it, I'll go climbing as a protest.

Coun't me in Coz.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Apr 10, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Anyone ever been up there?

Yeah, was up at South of Heaven on this past Sat. Great rock, great line, and beta intensive, cryptic movment that gets harder and harder the higer you climb as a rail type feature on the right diminishes. One of the two fixed pins is broken, but both of them are unnecessary as you can plug bomber finger sized cams right next to them.

That face left of 200Motels etc, is a Gaines 12a slab pitch. There was actually someone on it, trying to TR it when we were walking back down Sat. They appeared to be flexible (judging by the crazy high stepping going on), but were struggling for sure.
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
That face left of 200Motels etc, is a Gaines 12a slab pitch. There was actually someone on it, trying to TR it when we were walking back down Sat. They appeared to be flexible (judging by the crazy high stepping going on), but were struggling for sure.

The rock is really smooth up there ,almost like Yosemite granite. The route goes over those little mini-overhangs. We flopped around on TR on the Gaines route as well.
200 Motels is an excellent route. Very aesthetic and straightforward. So is Taken For Granite.
The hike up there , once you leave the main arroyo, is devious to follow and involves plenty of hideous bush whacking . My partner ran into a nasty hornets nest. Hahaha. We both almost fell over a 20 ft. drop frantically trying to get away.

If the NPS closes the road to Rattlesnake Canyon, presumably at the point where the road leaves the main camping ground area near the Short Wall, anyone willing to run that blockade has a hell of a hike ahead of them.


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