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Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:16am PT
Me thinks this is all leading up to a possible entrance fee at Indian Cove . The NPS will use the vandalism as a justification.
dikhed

climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:17am PT
more like estrogen filled because that sh#t is for pussies
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:18am PT
Me thinks this is all leading up to a possible entrance fee at Indian Cove . The NPS will use the vandalism as a justification.
dikhed

climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:19am PT
good point, Ward ...hope you weren't too hard on the beaver last night
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:25am PT
Aaaaand I hope you got some dick-head
dikhed

climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:48am PT
good one...interesting you would hope that ...nttiawwt
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Need a few of these, or a lower cost alternative


http://www.deluxecctv.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1755&gclid=CNyp4OWTvrYCFeN_QgodN00AHA


Some in the popular taging locations, and some in the parking lot to record lic #s
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:57am PT
Nawww,, just get a small dedicated group, and go moonlightin...Find em, break their arms, paint them with their own "colors" and send em packin..
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:58am PT



"Need a few of these, or a lower cost alternative


http://www.deluxecctv.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1755&gclid=CNyp4OWTvrYCFeN_QgodN00AHA


Some in the popular taging locations, and some in the parking lot to record lic #s "
...




^^^

That would be hilarious to do...

and actually NOT a bad idea!!!...

LOL!!!...

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:00am PT


"Nawww,, just get a small dedicated group, and go moonlightin...Find em, break their arms"...


















































Then get arrested and go to JAIL...(Which would be well DESERVED!!! Violence is NOT the fuking answer!!!)...



ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:12am PT
I wonder if tagging would go down if paint cans weighed 10lbs a can...

too bad

guess this means I have to put my hiking shoes on to get to the pretty rocks!

cheers

ls
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Apr 9, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
LADY SCARLETT ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR PAINT CANS?

GOOD LUCK PRYING MY PAINT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS.


This country was FOUNDED on paint!! Many of the founding fathers painted their homes and various items, I personally have a safe in my basement (next to 10 years worth of canned goods, a generator and a framed picture of Ron Reagan) with 3 gallons of paint after YOUR stupid politics raises the price again!

ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Apr 9, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
I'd not even TRY to take away your paint cans...

hell, those things weigh a LOT!!

and I'd probably break a nail trying something like that against you big paint can-lifting strongmen...

:P
cheers!

ls
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 9, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
ok Locker, ill compromise,, just PAINT em with their own colors and TELL them, next time its yur arms..!;-)
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
Clearly there is no fail safe way to stop taggers at JT.
But with a little bit of dogged commitment by the NPS, much can be done to lessen the amount.

Anyone who has been confronted by graffiti in their community knows two things:

1) The taggers are usually the same very small group of people.
2) if the graffiti is not removed promptly ASAP the problem will just snowball and this will result:

Barker Dam, Joshua Tree
Barker Dam, Joshua Tree

To deal with the taggers themselves is difficult to be sure.
But removing the vandalism immediately with daily monitoring is a no brainer.

I think the NPS in JT has been punting this problem.

Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Apr 9, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Ever since Santa Clara County Parks printed signs and built a gate to seal off access to Summit Rock, the taggers and bottle breakers have been having a field day. The graffiti has spread and spread. It's just that climbers are so easy to identify as a user group that can be kept out of an area. A tagger at night with a spray can is a lot harder to catch than a climber with ropes and equipment. Climbers just need to insist on their identity as a valid recreational user group, just like mountain bikers and trail runners and dog walkers and equestrians. Those other groups are not labeled as "outlaws", only climbers.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 9, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Thanks Mr Milktoast and others. I thought the paint was some sort of shithead summit register, it never occurred to me they'd mark their birthdates there.

Assuming it is birthdays, and assuming they have access to the names of these punks through "social media", matching identities should be simple.

Around here, they have to wind razor wire up and down the signposts on the freeways to deter the artistic little acrobats from marking up the signs with their scrawl. As you can see, it's not working very well.

I don't know how they're going to keep people out of Rattlesnake Canyon without it ending up being more effort than simply monitoring the taggers favorite targets for vandals.
Nobacon

climber
Apr 9, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
The so called 'park rangers' who rarely leave their vehicles don't even stop the very obvious violations. I have seen kids riding bikes offtrail at Hidden Valley, and a guy riding his horse through the desert (off trail) inside the park just past the entrance kiosk. But since we don't fund the parks, libraries, museums, research............... what do we expect?

And then, there is the issue of what happened at at Queen Mountain! (Shame on those climbers!)
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
Apr 9, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
Only God can close Rattlesnake Canyon, I'll go there any dam time I please, ranger closure or whatever, it's my land and I intend to use it.

The arrogance of the Park Circus never fails to amaze me.

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Apr 9, 2013 - 04:14pm PT

There are a lot of nice climbs back there...

If I were in the area, the closure wouldn't stop me either...

I'm with Dick Tracy on this one!!!...



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