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Plan B

Ice climber
Agua Dulce,CA
Apr 14, 2013 - 01:59pm PT

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50144775n
Anti-Thatcher song is a chart-topper in UK
April 13, 2013 9:29 AM
Mourners prepare for Wednesday's funeral of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, but anti-Thatcher protesters are stealing the limelight, as they propel "Ding Dong The Witch is Dead!" to the top of the UK music charts. Charlie D'Agata reports.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 14, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
Craig,

Perhaps I jumped the gun in thinking what you posted after the video of Thatcher condemning the EU, was in support of such multinational arrangements. That's why I asked the question. I am interested in what you think of these supranational treaties. (NAFTA, etc)

The crowning achievement of European collectivist thinking is the Economic Union. This was supposed to have led to streamlined economic activity concerning tariffs and elimination of bureaucratic redundancy for economic reasons only

One of it's real results has been nation states losing political autonomy under the threat of being sanctioned or kicked out of the EU for not agreeing to decisions made that have an adverse effect at home.
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Apr 14, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 14, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
I am interested in what you think of these supranational treaties. (NAFTA, etc)
I think the Neo-liberal policies suck, and should now be reversed, here and in Europe/England.


Pyro
you are correct, I am learning my History now,
I wasn't aware of what was going on then, I wasn't into politics until the late 90s.

It's been an awakening experience to see what was going on world-wide with the failed conservative movement of the 80s, which was based on a fantasy like ideology of BS, and the comparison of the conservative movement now, which is striking similar but very different is interesting.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 14, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
Thatcherism was a national catastrophe, and we remain trapped by its consequences. As her former Chancellor Geoffrey Howe put it: “Her real triumph was to have transformed not just one party but two, so that when Labour did eventually return, the great bulk of Thatcherism was accepted as irreversible.”

We are in the midst of the third great economic collapse since the Second World War: all three have taken place since Thatcherism launched its great crusade. This current crisis has roots in the Thatcherite free market experiment, which wiped out much of the country’s industrial base in favour of a deregulated financial sector.

A poisoned “debate” about social security rages in Cameron’s Britain. It focuses on the idea that there are large numbers of people stuck on benefits. It is certainly true that there were more people languishing in long-term unemployment last year than there were in all forms of unemployment 40 years ago. In large part, this is a consequence of Thatcherism’s emptying communities of millions of secure, skilled industrial jobs. Large swathes of Britain – mining villages, steel towns and so on – were devastated, and never really recovered. Even when Britain was supposedly booming, the old industrial heartlands had high levels of what is rather clinically described as “economic inactivity”.

Five million people now languish on social housing waiting lists, while billions of pounds of housing benefit line the pockets of private landlords charging rip-off rents. The scarcity of housing turns communities against each other, as immigrants or anyone deemed less deserving are scapegoated. But the guilt really lies with the Thatcherite policy of right-to-buy and failure to replace the stock that was sold off.

Champions of Thatcherism hail the crippling of the trade unions, which were battered by anti-union laws, mass unemployment, and crushing defeats of strikes, not least after the rout of the iconic miners. This has not only left workers at the mercy of their bosses, but has made them poorer, too. Four years before the crisis began, the income of the bottom half was stagnating, while for the bottom third it actually began to decline – even as corporations were posting record profits. With no unions to stand their corner, workers’ living standards have long been squeezed – driving large numbers to cheap credit.

We could go on. Britain was one of the most equal Western European countries before the Thatcherite project began, and is now one of the most unequal. Thatcherism is not just alive and well: it courses through the veins of British political life. The current government goes where Thatcherism did not dare in its privatisation of the NHS and sledgehammering of the welfare state.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/04/12-7
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
Dr f thanks for a response. I have read somewhere that lots of heroin is to contribute.
sullly

Trad climber
Apr 14, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Musical interlude.

Oliver's army is here to staa-aa-aay
Oliver's army are on their waa-aa-aay

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Apr 15, 2013 - 12:04am PT
Peter Haan

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Apr 15, 2013 - 12:07am PT
Francois Mitterand described Thatcher as having "the eyes of Caligula and the mouth of Marilyn Monroe".
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:57am PT
She was doing heroin too??
Wow, she was really f-ed up.

I think that explains Reagan, he was probably smoking the stuff too, she got em hooked after a night of mentoring
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 21, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
Mimi

climber
Apr 21, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
You really choose to quote a Vichy traiter, Peter?

Her polarizing historical status speaks volumes. Reduces the gray and brings everything into stark contrast.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Apr 30, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
Are those clouds in TGT's picture?^^^^^



















Or . . .


































Is it the smoke from the flames of hell?
crunch

Social climber
CO
Apr 30, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
Are those clouds in TGT's picture?^^^^^

Or . . .

Is it the smoke from the flames of hell?

Credit: crunch
deschamps

Trad climber
Flagstaff, AZ
Apr 30, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
It's been an awakening experience to see what was going on world-wide with the failed conservative movement of the 80s

Failed? Economic liberalisation has led to 300-400 million people being pulled out of poverty in China over the past decade. Sub-Saharan Africa is rising quickly. Developing countries all over the world are enjoying the benefits of open and free economic systems.

First, the movement of the 80s is still the driving economic paradigm of today. Secondly, it has been shown to be successful. I am not sure how that is seen as failure.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 30, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
Never mind...!
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