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Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 3, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
I don't remember the "conspiracy believers" discussing and over-discusing that topic on ST as of yet.

However most every other conspiracy mentioned below has been discussed on ST. Here's the link to the original article:

http://news.yahoo.com/12-million-americans-believe-lizard-people-run-country-184751427.html

**12 Million Americans Believe Lizard People Run Our Country
By Philip Bump | The Atlantic Wire – 20 hrs ago.**

..About 90 million Americans believe aliens exist. Some 66 million of us think aliens landed at Roswell in 1948. These are the things you learn when there's a lull in political news and pollsters get to ask whatever questions they want.


Public Policy Polling has raised weird polls to an art form. During last year's presidential campaign, the firm earned a bit of a reputation for its unorthodox questions; for example, "If God exists, do you approve of its handling of natural disasters?"


Today PPP released the results of a national survey looking at common conspiracy theories. Broken down by topic and cross-referenced by political preference, the results will not inspire a lot of patriotism. If you need to defend your fellow countrymen, be sure to note that the margin of error is 2.8 percent.


We took the findings and arranged them from most- to least-believed. And, just to inspire additional shame, figured out how many actual Americans that meant must believe in things like the danger of fluoride in water. (28 million, if you're wondering.)




Conspiracy Percent believing Number of Americans believing:

JFK was killed by conspiracy 51 percent 160,096,160
Bush intentionally misled on Iraq WMDs 44 percent 138,122,178
Global warming is a hoax 37 percent 116,148,195
Aliens exist 29 percent 91,035,072
New World Order 28 percent 87,895,931
Hussein was involved in 9/11 28 percent 87,895,931
A UFO crashed at Roswell 21 percent 65,921,948
Vaccines are linked to autism 20 percent 62,782,808
The government controls minds with TV 15 percent 47,087,106
Medical industry invents diseases 15 percent 47,087,106
CIA developed crack 14 percent 43,947,966
Bigfoot exists 14 percent 43,947,966
Obama is the Antichrist 13 percent 40,808,825
The government allowed 9/11 11 percent 34,530,544
Fluoride is dangerous 9 percent 28,252,264
The moon landing was faked 7 percent 21,973,983
Bin Laden is alive 6 percent 18,834,842
Airplane contrails are sinister chemicals 5 percent 15,695,702
McCartney died in 1966 5 percent 15,695,702
Lizard people control politics 4 percent 12,556,562

Just to further inspire conversation, PPP broke down belief in each theory by whom the respondent supported in the 2012 election. This yielded some genuinely interesting results.


For example, only two conspiracies were more commonly believed by Obama supporters: that Bush intentionally misled America about Iraq's WMDs (a massive 69 percent of his supporters believe that one) and that the moon landing was faked. There two theories with equal support among Obama and Romney supporters: that aliens exist and theone about fluoridation. Everything else, from lizard people to vaccines and autism to global warming being a hoax? Believed by more Romney supporters.

No conspiracy was less commonly believed than one suggesting that the government is populated by lizard people. But that's mostly because only 2 percent of Obama supporters believe the theory while 5 percent of Romney supporters do.

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moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
What is your point Fritz? Those are FACTS! Just ask Tony ;)
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
New World Order 28 percent 87,895,931



well, New World Order2, you got plenty of sheep to keep you company

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Geez, Werner had better change his tune cause there's a lot of
not-so-stoopid Americans that have got it figgered out!
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
Reptilian minds think alike.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:43pm PT
Lizards are great climbers
Gene

climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
12 million Americans believe Lizard People Run Our Country!

What was your question?

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Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
C'mon! Everybody knows the reptilians are in charge.

Where've you been?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2013 - 08:54pm PT
Unfortunately-----or fortunately, the polling folks did not ask Americans if they believe in Klimmers favorite conspiracy:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1156814/The-Massive-Ark-on-the-Moon-very-OT-but


I'm betting far more Americans believe Lizard People run our country.
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
If "lizard people" ran our country they would do a better job.....

So I don't believe it.......
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
No surprises there to me, i've already indicted a considerable percentage of Americans as complete morons.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
Republicans - reptilians - same difference . . .

Either way we're screwed.

At least we have the Pliedians on our side:



All is not lost!
new world order2

climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
New World Order 28 percent 87,895,931


well, New World Order2, you got plenty of sheep to keep you company

Indeed I do, Norton. Indeed I do. Bah-ah-ah-ah...

Would you like your RFID implanted in your head, hand, or adze?

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Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
Beth isn't that dangerous if she doesn't have a gun.




And,.. define "lizard people". I might be one.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
IAM the Lizard KING!
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
I knew it! ^^^^

They've even infiltrated supertopo.

I will neutralized them with my Pliedian Love beam
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:50pm PT
Two words: Dick Cheney
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 3, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
I believe a Lizard runs my life and pursuit of happiness...
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 4, 2013 - 10:52am PT
Credit: troutbreath
squishy

Mountain climber
Apr 4, 2013 - 11:01am PT
People also worship a magical sky wizard every sunday in church, is this really a surprise?
snowhazed

Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 11:05am PT
BTW fluoride has been recently linked to learning disorders in children

So if one of the things on the op list is true they must all be true!!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 4, 2013 - 11:31am PT
David Icke
From Wikipedia,

David Vaughan Icke (pronunciation: /aɪk/; IKE, born 29 April 1952) is an English writer and public speaker, best known for his conspiracy allegations. Describing himself as the most controversial speaker in the world, he is the author of 19 books and has attracted a global following that cuts across the political spectrum. His 533-page The Biggest Secret (1999) has been called "the Rosetta Stone for conspiracy junkies."[1]

Icke was a BBC television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party, when in 1990 a psychic told him that he was a healer who had been placed on Earth for a purpose, and that the spirit world was going to pass messages to him. In March 1991 he held a press conference to announce that he was a "Son of the Godhead" – a phrase he said later the media had misunderstood – and the following month told the BBC's Wogan that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes. He said the show changed his life, turning him from a respected household name into someone who was laughed at whenever he appeared in public.[2]

He continued nevertheless to develop his ideas, and in four books published over seven years – The Robots' Rebellion (1994), And the Truth Shall Set You Free (1995), The Biggest Secret (1999), and Children of the Matrix (2001) – set out a moral and political worldview that combined New-Age spiritualism with a passionate denunciation of totalitarian trends in the modern world. At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood (Illuminati) controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.[3]

Michael Barkun has described Icke's position as "New Age conspiracism," writing that he is the most fluent of the conspiracist genre. Richard Kahn and Tyson Lewis argue that the reptilian hypothesis may simply be Swiftian satire, a way of giving ordinary people a narrative with which to question what they see around them.[4]


Reptoid hypothesisIcke introduced the reptoid hypothesis in The Biggest Secret (1999), which identified the Brotherhood as descendants of reptilians from the constellation Draco, who walk on two legs and appear human, and who live in tunnels and caverns inside the earth. He argues that the reptilians are the race of gods known as the Anunnaki in the Babylonian creation myth, Enűma Eliš.[41] According to Barkun, Icke's idea of "inner-earth reptilians" is not new, though he has done more than most to expand it.[42]


The Draco constellation from Uranographia by Johannes Hevelius, 1690. Icke's "reptoid hypothesis" posits that humanity is ruled by descendants of reptilians from Draco.[43]Lewis and Kahn write that Icke has taken his "ancient astronaut" narrative from the Israeli-American writer, Zecharia Sitchin, who argued – for example in Divine Encounters (1995) – that the Anunnaki had come to Earth for its precious metals. Icke argues that they came specifically for "monoatomic gold," a mineral he says can increase the carrying capacity of the nervous system ten thousandfold. After ingesting it, the reptilians can process vast amounts of information, speed up trans-dimensional travel, and shapeshift from reptilian to human form.[44] They use human fear, guilt, and aggression as energy. "Thus we have the encouragement of wars," he wrote in 1999, "human genocide, the mass slaughter of animals, sexual perversions which create highly charged negative energy, and black magic ritual and sacrifice which takes place on a scale that will stagger those who have not studied the subject."[45] Lewis and Kahn argue that Icke is using allegory to depict the alien, and alienating, nature of global capitalism.[46]

Icke writes that the Anunnaki have crossbred with human beings, the breeding lines chosen for political reasons, arguing that they are the Watchers, the fallen angels, or "Grigori," who mated with human women in the Biblical apocrypha. Their first reptilian-human hybrid, possibly Adam, was created 200,000–300,000 years ago. There was a second breeding program 30,000 years ago, and a third 7,000 years ago. It is the half-bloods of the third breeding program who today control the world, more Anunnaki than human, he writes. They have a powerful, hypnotic stare, the origin of the phrase to "give someone the evil eye," and their hybrid DNA allows them to shapeshift when they consume human blood.[47]

In Children of the Matrix (2001), he added that the Anunnaki bred with another extraterrestrial race called the "Nordics," who had blond hair and blue eyes, to produce a race of human slave masters, the Aryans. The Aryans retain many reptilian traits, including cold-blooded attitudes, a desire for top-down control, and an obsession with ritual, lending them a tendency toward fascism, rationalism, and racism. Lewis and Kahn write that, with the Nordic hypothesis, Icke is mirroring standard claims by the far right that the Aryan bloodline has ruled the Earth throughout history.[48]

[edit] DimensionsThe reptilians not only come from another planet, but are also from another dimension, the lower level of the fourth dimension, the one nearest the physical world. Icke writes that the universe consists of an infinite number of frequencies or dimensions that share the same space, just like television and radio frequencies. Some people can tune their consciousness to other wavelengths, which is what psychic power consists of, and it is from one of these other dimensions that the Anunnaki are controlling this world – although just as fourth-dimensional reptilians control us, they are controlled in turn by a fifth dimension. The lower level of the fourth dimension is what others call the "lower astral dimension." Icke argued that it is where demons live, the entities Satanists summon during their rituals. They are, in fact, summoning the reptilians.[49] Barkun argues that the introduction of different dimensions allows Icke to skip awkward questions about which part of the universe the reptilians come from, and how they got here.[42]

[edit] Problem-reaction-solutionIn Tales From The Time Loop (2003), Icke argues that most organised religions, especially Judaism, Christianity and Islam, are Illuminati creations designed to divide and conquer the human race through endless conflicts, as are racial, ethnic, and sexual divisions. He cites the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11 as examples of events organised by the Global Elite.[50] The incidents allow the Elite to respond in whatever way they intended to act in the first place, a concept Icke calls "order out of chaos," or "problem-reaction-solution." He writes that there are few, if any, public events that are not engineered, or at least used, by the Brotherhood:[17]

You want to introduce something you know the people won't like. ... So you first create a PROBLEM, a rising crime rate, more violence, a terrorist bomb ... You make sure someone else is blamed for this problem ... So you create a "patsy," as they call them in America, a Timothy McVeigh or a Lee Harvey Oswald. ... This brings us to stage two, the REACTION from the people – "This can't go on; what are THEY going to do about it?" ... This allows THEM to then openly offer the SOLUTION to the problems they have created ..."


Credit: Dr. F.
Image by Neil Hague from Icke's Infinite Love is the Only Truth (2005), showing Queen Elizabeth II, George W. Bush and Tony Blair as "Red Dresses," the highest level of the Brotherhood.




I read these books, The Biggest Secret (1999), and Children of the Matrix (2001), just to get a look of the inside of the wacko NWO movement, a must read for those that want to see every angle on what's gong on the minds of the paranoid.
Of course I think it's a bunch of nonsense,
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 4, 2013 - 11:52am PT
Can't name the VP or SOD?

Time itself is controlled by the NWO?

G'damn, you need a couple new friends Coz. Those two must've fallen on their head doing Mission Impossible stunts.....




Credit: survival
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Apr 4, 2013 - 11:54am PT
Hey, I've heard people believe that one guy was a god, his own son, died, resurected and went alive to haven. Isn't that crazy???
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Apr 4, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
So tell me then what I"m spozed to believe if you've got the goods on all that and a bag of chips.

What you believe in ?
What some other guy tells me to believe in ?
What I'm taught in school to believe in ?
What this age of edumacated people write in the papers and books and on the television?
What National Geographic publishes in their mag?
What my government sez on the PSAs?
What my neighbour tells me over the fence ?

What I believe in might not be what you believe in but don't tell me I"m a retard and I won't call you one either.

Just be a good person.

Duzzn't matter if you believe in virgins giving birth, guys being air-lifted to heaven, fairies, Fukushima sending us cancer, your cat being tuned to HAARP, Marilyn Monroe murdered because of Bobby, what the CIA does and doesn't do, COINTEL, counterCOINTEL, lizards, farts, and boogers.

Just be a good person.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 4, 2013 - 12:46pm PT

The Reptilian Manipulation of Humanity - The FULL STORY (1/8) - David Icke .
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Tami +1
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
Gotta loose some weight, can't fit in my red dress anymore.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
Seems like if you can put it on TV or YT someone will believe it..

What's funny to me is that some people still believe we evolved from lizards.

Maybe we're just going back to our roots?
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Good on ya, Tami.

It's just math.

9 billion people = 9 billion potential or actual belief systems.

the only way we can make that work is to be good to people.
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Lizard status would be an improvement for many of the folks in Washington DC
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:21pm PT
Lizard people for president!
Lizard people for congress!
Let them rule the world and eat us.
At least we might be well fed before being eaten...
;-)
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
I'm knot sure I'm getting this, are you folks hinting that lizard people don't run this country (world).
Cause that would suck --- WHO is going to protect us from all those illegal aliens that keep leaving their space ships in Mexico & sneak across the boarder, just to take our clean bodily fluids & pick our fruit & precious veggies.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
9 billion people = 9 billion potential or actual belief systems.

Most current data is 7 billion + 20 million or so? Don't get ahead of us dude, it's bad enough already...
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
Never met a reptile I didn't like. Just don't drink with them. Could look ugly in the morning.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Obama is the Antichrist 13 percent

wow that's pretty funny
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Apr 4, 2013 - 05:42pm PT
Would be interesting to hear about conspiracy theories from people around the world. There are many crazy ones regarding USA I bet..
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
I wonder if any of that 13% voted for him anyhow...LOL
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Yes, 5% of those who believe that Obama was the Anti-Christ did vote for him Steve. You can catch up with them over on the "Republicans are dumb" thread which currently has 31,000 posts from approx 6 different people.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Apr 4, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
At least you know his job performance would be, well...KILLER!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 4, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 4, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
It is possible that some people on ST are actual reptilians.
"some couch people" seem to fit the bill quite well, angry, always complaining, never happy about the direction that things are headed, keeping lists of those that deviate from the "Rules" that they have set.

I wonder if they know they are reptiles, or do they think they are actual humans and are never let in on the secret. They could think that they are the Only Normal ones, and think that it's best for everyone to bow to their Reptilian Rule.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 4, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
Republicans are dumb" thread which currently has 31,000 posts from approx 6 different people
Are you one of the six?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2013 - 09:40pm PT
In a (likely futile) attempt to turn this thread (which I thought might be humorous) from becoming:

A ST BICKERFEST!


I will pose a question? When does a “weird-ass conspiracy” become a widely accepted truth (in the mind of the polling company?

Is it when more than 50% of the American public believes in the “weird-ass conspiracy”????

Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Apr 4, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
i've already indicted a considerable percentage of Americans as complete morons.

My survey says 63% of the ST crowd have echoed the same. Lots of dummies for sure.
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
Apr 4, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
I believe it..

Photo: Associated Press
Photo: Associated Press
Credit: Mr Roy
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 4, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
Poll: 4 percent of Americans believe lizard people control world

12:41 AM 04/03/2013

by Jamie Weinstein

Some Americans are batshit crazy, a new poll suggests (that Werner is correct, but that doesn't mean he isn't one of the crazy).

According to a Public Policy Polling (PPP) survey, 28 percent of American voters believe “that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government, or New World Order.”

The poll also found that 13 percent of American voters believe that President Barack Obama is the anti-Christ, 14 percent feel the CIA was involved in distributing crack cocaine to Americans in the 1980s, and 9 percent believe the government adds fluoride to America’s water supply for “sinister reasons”.

Perhaps most surprisingly, only 4 percent of American voters said they believe shape-shifting lizard people “control our world by taking on human form and gaining political power to manipulate our societies.” In the lead-up to November’s presidential election, a major satirical expose by Daily Caller editors Jamie Weinstein and Will Rahn, “The Lizard King,” revealed that President Obama himself was shape-shifting lizard man.

PPP polled a total of 20 so-called conspiracies, including on such politically polarized issues as global warming and whether the administration of George W. Bush misled the public about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction.

A majority of Republicans responded saying they believe that global warming is a hoax, while a majority of Democrats said it wasn’t.

A majority of Democrats said the Bush administration intentionally misled the nation about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction, while a majority of Republicans said it did not.

“Even crazy conspiracy theories are subject to partisan polarization, especially when there are political overtones involved,” Dean Debnam, president of Public Policy Polling, said in a statement. “But most Americans reject the wackier ideas out there about fake moon landings and shape-shifting lizards.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/03/poll-4-percent-of-americans-believe-lizard-people-control-world/#ixzz2PYXDKa1X


Werner, tell us how the Moon Landings were faked, the Gov. won't tell us, it's a conspiracy I tell ya!
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 5, 2013 - 11:21am PT
http://rense.com/ufo/screwingaliens.htm
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 5, 2013 - 11:26am PT
Credit: Dr. F.
What they really look like after they shape shift.
TheTye

Trad climber
Sacramento CA
Apr 5, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Um...

"Aliens existing" isn't a Conspiracy...

If you understand the size of the known Universe it is pretty much a statistical impossibility that life on other planets doesn't exist.

Also, it isn't a Conspiracy that Bush/Cheney misled us into the Iraq war either. We actually know they did.... We, as a nation, are just to stupid or preoccupied to prosecute them as war criminals...
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 5, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
http://www.globalresearch.ca/should-canadian-authorities-arrest-dick-cheney-for-war-crimes-when-he-comes-to-vancouver/26550
TheTye

Trad climber
Sacramento CA
Apr 5, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
Also, I don't "believe" Bigfoot exists per se... But I really really want it to.
TheTye

Trad climber
Sacramento CA
Apr 5, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
Oh man.... Come on Canada! Please!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 5, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
Just because life is probable on other planets out there, doesn't mean that they ever evolved far enough to fly at light speed to visit earth.

will we ever be able to fly at light speed? No

So it would be classified a conspiracy to believe UFOs and alien visitations just on the unlikely probability alone
That is until we have confirmed proof of it, just like Big foot.

But it has been well proven that Bush let 911 happen on purpose.
Part of illuminati master plan to bring on Armageddon.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Apr 5, 2013 - 01:32pm PT
who can prove Lizard People don't Run Our Country? Links please.
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 5, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
http://www.lizardpersonornot.com/
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 5, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
will we ever be able to fly at light speed?

I don't know about you but I sure have. I had to give it up cause it was
hard on the mind and body. Oh, and relationships.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 5, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
27% of Americans who believe Lizard People run the planet, believe 18% of what Fox News tells 39% of the population, about 51% of the conspiracy theories, that 9% of the population believe are generated by 36% of the secret underwear clad Mormons that voted 43% of the time for Mitt Romney.
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
my bank account is a conspiracy. no wait, its actually a myth.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 5, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
Oh my!!
We have stumbled upon too much information!!
This is serious business!!!
those lizard people are up to no good.
This is what you get when you google "illuminati master plan to bring on Armageddon"


TITLE: EXACT ILLUMINIST TIMETABLE FOR PRODUCING ANTICHRIST HAS BEEN REVEALED TO CUTTING EDGE MINISTRIES!

Subtitle: We have been given the exact timetable for producing Antichrist, including the exact date he is planned to arise. We have also been given the precise occult thinking by which this timetable was produced. If God does not act to prevent the Illuminati from carrying out this Plan, Antichrist will likely arise as the Illuminati has scheduled.
The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!!


Learn how to protect yourself, your loved ones!

Stand by for insights so startling you will never look at the news the same way again.


YOU ARE NOW ON

THE CUTTING EDGE
The following article is part of a series of articles relating to an Illuminati plan to ignite Jupiter as a "sign in the heavens" that will herald the coming of the New Age Christ [Antichrist]. You should read all related articles to get the full picture and understand why we reported it.


In the first article NEWS1260, posted mid-March, 1999, Cutting Edge made
public the Illuminati plan to set Jupiter on fire and reveal Antichrist precisely 13
weeks later. We did our scientific homework, showing that this feat was impossible
according to the scientific community. We specifically concluded that, if Jupiter was going to be ignited, God would have to allow Satan to ignite it by supernatural power.

We also did our homework to verify the importance of the dates and positions of the planets, as the Illuminati planned to use these positions at these dates. . Although we were skeptical, we know that Bible prophecy foretells of signs in the Sun, Moon and stars and that the Antichrist will have awesome supernatural powers.

We know that we cannot count on the word or plans of the illuminati; however, we do know that we can
count on the word of God. If there were any chance that this feat could be accomplished, we wanted to make sure that our readers would know that it was not a sign of the second coming and be deceived into thinking the Antichrist
was God. It would have been foolish and irresponsible for us to keep silent on the matter.

After publication of the first article we began to get many new opinions from scientists that Jupiter could actually be ignited, as well as many confirming that we were right and Jupiter could not be ignited. We also began to get new possible dates for the event from former occultists. Then President Clinton made a statement about something that would light up the sky on new years eve which we wrote about in NEWS1331.

Prior to the December 6th, 1999, date we published another article on December 3, NEWS1338 , reminding our readers that we were skeptical of the Jupiter plan. Then, shortly after the December date passed, we published an article about the failure of the illuminati to pull it offNEWS1340, "Illuminati Fails To Illumine".

Since that time we have heard new proposed dates.

However, having said all this, we believe the plan to ignite Jupiter into a second Sun in our sky will occur, but according to God's timing, not Satan's. God is in control of the timing of the entire Tribulation Period. On several occasions, the Illuminati wanted to bring in their coveted New World Order, but could not, because of God's restraints. But, when the timing comes to ignite Jupiter, and you see a new Sun in our sky, you will have been forewarned that this new Sun is of Satan, not God. You will also know to expect the soon appearance of Antichrist. What is that old adage? "To be forewarned is to be forearmed."


It is interesting that as all of this timing of Jupiter was going on, a plan was made public that the great pyramid was going to be capped on New Years Eve. When the plan became public, the Egyptian government appeared to cave in to public
pressure and cancelled the plan. Was it a cave in to public pressure or was it postponed because Jupiter did not ignite on December 6, 1999? The Cutting Edge Webmaster heard an MSNBC report on New Years eve that the Pyramid was going to be capped, but we have found not evidence that it was. When the pyramid is capped, the symbolism the Illuminati is flashing to the world that Lucifer has come to earth to reign and to rule. It means that Antichrist is soon to appear.

We want to make sure that when the Illuminati does cap the pyramid, our readers know exactly what is going on and what to expect. It is foolish indeed to be uninformed and unprepared.


At this time we have seen that the Illuminati has not been able to ignite Jupiter on either the Dec 6th or Dec. 31 dates and we are hearing new dates. We cannot be sure whether they tried and failed or whether the whole plan has been rescheduled. We remain skeptical. But we feel that it is better to be informed and prepared than surprised and unprepared.


The Cutting Edge Ministries has been given the detailed timetable of the Illuminati to produce Antichrist. This timetable was determined by occult witchcraft almost 50 years ago, after the technology of atomic weaponry was fully understood. In this article, we shall show you how the powerful witches of the Illuminati arrived at this timetable, complete with charts and pictures. The source for this timetable must remain unknown, but we do believe the accuracy of both the source and the information.

BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING TIMING OF ANTICHRIST'S APPEARANCE

kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 5, 2013 - 10:20pm PT
Credit: kennyt
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 5, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
FYI

http://www.armageddononline.org/illuminati.php

What is the Illuminati?
There is a power so organized, so subtle, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it -- Woodrow Wilson



The Illuminati is a secret Luciferian organization founded on the principles of abolished religion, elimination of national borders, abolition of private property, civil rights, and the establishment of one elite ruling class over the entire world, also known as The New World Order (Which will be talked about later). The Illuminati intend to rule the world and thus achieve and Illuminated state of mind like a kingdom of god on earth with us, the rest of mankind, to be their sheep.

As mentioned the Illuminati has been around for many thousands of years. This is not any average secret society, this society is the largest and has its seed in every prosperous nation on earth. The conspiracy is more like a tale from a cave painting than anything. In the beginning Man was meant for slave labor to serve a reptilian race called the Annukai. These Annukai are thought to be the giants god cast down from heaven. Today some think they are the Grey aliens. This reptilian race, along with Lucifer, attempted to exhibit control on man through secret societies. It is thought that these Annukai live on through thirteen wealthy families that hold the reigns of government in their hands. These families are kept hidden and are all over the world.

The Illuminati is like a Pyramid. There are many levels, no one knows what the level above them knows.

The Illuminati plan to literally rule the world, with one king believed to have divine powers. This king may well be the false Messiah mentioned in the Bible. Promising to make the world better only to take power as the world dictator. Under this King the New World Order will take place. The New World Order is a Socialist World Government. When this government takes hold will become the slave race we were supposed to be.

How do the Illuminati mean achieve this frightening goal?
The plan for a New World Order started with one Jewish former Catholic named Adam Weishaupt. Weishaupt. His plan called for a Revolution in France and for Britain to fight colonial war. Both of which happened around his proposed dates. The Illuminati began to gain more strength and influence in Europe leading to the first and second World Wars. Both were attempts to weaken Europe. When the Wars were over the Illuminati started the United Nations itself to help preserve peace and stability but to also bring the New World Order one step closer to existence. When Europes economy suffered from inflation, the Illuminati created the idea of one European currency.

Out in the Wide open
On one of the highest hilltops in Elbert County, Georgia stands a huge granite monument. Engraved in eight different languages on the four giant stones that support the common capstone are 10 Guides, or commandments. That monument is alternately referred to as The Georgia Guidestones, or the American Stonehenge. Though relatively unknown to most people, it is an important link to the Occult Hierarchy that dominates the world in which we live.



THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONE
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world's people. The American Stonehenge's reference to establishing a world court foreshadows the current move to create an International Criminal Court and a world government.

What is the true significance of the American Stonehenge, and why is its covert message important? Because it confirms the fact that there was a covert group intent on

(1) Dramatically reducing the population of the world.
(2) Promoting environmentalism.
(3) Establishing a world government.
(4) Promoting a new spirituality.

Certainly the group that commissioned the Georgia Guidestones is one of many similar groups working together toward a New World Order, a new world economic system, and a new world spirituality. Behind those groups, however, are dark spiritual forces. Without understanding the nature of those dark forces it is impossible to understand the unfolding of world events.

The fact that most Americans have never heard of the Georgia Guidestones or their message to humanity reflects the degree of control that exists today over what the American people think.

Another step closer towards one world government.
As we speak the Illuminati have a plan to bring yet another World War using the instability of the Middle East. Soon gun control will be instated in America and even martial law declared while the Government takes huge legislation to turn America into a make shift Police State in preparing for the coming New World Order. The world could slipping into an unimaginable world of slavery and oppression worse then ever before. Where controlled depopulation is introduced through diseases like AIDS and your family is shipped away to do labor. Where everything you used to own is no longer yours and where inheritance is abolished.

This is a nightmare that cannot be stopped as long as we remain apathetic towards our government and allow ourselves to be dragged along through whatever the government does. Hopefully this got you interested in the subject and you can go out and come to your own conclusion to everything.


I don't get it, they say they are worried about people dying, then they say that people will have to die so there are less than 500 millions people alive per their prophecy.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 5, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
Never go to sleep, cause that's when they will get ya

just take a look at this, it's scary!!!


Reptilian Mind Manipulation through sleep, it can happen to you!
By edisonik | December 20th, 2010

http://www.truthcontrol.com/forum/reptilian-mind-manipulation-through-sleep-it-can-happen-you

When you sleep you are at your weakest, the Reptilian Hoards can now ply their Trade of Mind Manipulation, in the Dreamscape they can create scenarios that you do not know about for example the Reptilians can create a scenario where you meet a Beautiful Woman at a College Campus or a Mall and she really digs you and you get it on with her and you make love in your Dreamscape while you are asleep and the Dream can be intense and then all of a sudden the Girl your making love to turns into a Man!, this is Manipulation of your Orientation.
Another Scenario would be you go to work and when you come back from work you find your Woman in bed with another man, these Dreams can be powerful and can make you angry.
Basically any Negative Scenario in your Dreams are not necessarily your dreams, the dreams can be Doctored by the Reptilians , they are Masters of Manipulation.
It has taken me a couple of years to understand Dreamscape, it takes practice but when your In a Dream you must first understand that your in a Dream and not in Reality, this my friends takes practice, Once I figured this out I realized that the Dreams I had were not my dreams, these dreams were Doctored and I had to understand that these dreams were not mine.

These Treacherous Creatures can even Infiltrate your dreams, how they do that is beyond me and this is horribly wrong, many people are having horrible dreams and they could very well be behind these Negative Dreams.
Do not be afraid of this just master your dreams and understand that you can master your Dreamscape, Once Mastered the Lizards cannot beat you!, you infact can send them running.

It is really interesting how Hollywood knows so much about these Reptilians, Hollywood knows alot about the Reptilians and how they Infiltrate your Dreams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUSh5XLPzhA

kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 5, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
That settles it no more sleep for me
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 5, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Apr 5, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
I guess you can count the guys in Phish as believers.



Passing through the corridor I came upon an aging knight
Who leaned against the wall in gnarly armor
He was on his way to see the king
Wilson, Wilson, Wilson

He led me through the streets of Prussia talking
As he tried to crush a bug
That scurried underneath his boot heel
He said there was a place where we should go

So he lead me through the forest to the edge of a lagoon by which
We wandered 'til we reached a bubbly spring
The knight grew very quiet as we stood there
Then he lifted up his visor and he turned to me and he began to sing

He said, "I come from the land of darkness"
I said, "I come from the land of doom"
He said, "I come from the land of Gamehendge
From the land of the big baboon
But I'm never, never going back there
And I couldn't if I tried

'Cause I come from the land of lizards
And the lizards they have died
And the lizards they have died
And the lizards they have died
And the lizards they have"

He told me that the lizards
Were a race of people practically extinct
From doing things smart people don't do
He said that he was once a lizard too

His name was Rutherford the Brave
And he was on a quest to save
His people from the fate that lay before them
Their clumsy end was perilously near

The lizards would be saved, he said, if they could be enlightened
By the writings of the Helping Friendly Book
In all of Prussia only one existed
And Wilson had declared that any person who possessed it was a crook

He said, "I come from the land of darkness"
I said, "I come from the land of doom"
He said, "I come from the land of Gamehendge
From the land of the big baboon
But I'm never, never going back there
And I couldn't if I tried

'Cause I come from the land of lizards
And the lizards they have died
And the lizards they have died
And the lizards they have died
And the lizards they have"

The Helping Friendly Book, it seemed
Possessed the ancient secrets
Of eternal joy and never-ending splendor
The trick was to surrender to the flow

We walked along beneath the moon
He lead us through the bush 'till soon
We saw before our eyes a raging river
He said that we could swim it if we tried

And saying this the knight dove in forgetting that his suit of arms
Would surely weigh him down and so he sunk
And as his body disappeared before me
I bowed my head in silence
And remembered all the thoughts that he had thunk

He said, "I come from the land of darkness"
I said, "I come from the land of doom"
He said, "I come from the land of Gamehendge
From the land of the big baboon
But I'm never, never going back there
And I couldn't if I tried

'Cause I come from the land of lizards
And the lizards they have"



Dick Erb

climber
June Lake, CA
Apr 5, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
Back in the old days when I was a young climber, the best climber around married a Lizard.
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 5, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Chief~"Me no trust White Man, he speaks with Forked Tongue"

A look at the lizard in chaps from yesteryear.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 6, 2013 - 12:05am PT
DRF
that's the STUPIDESTESTEST CRAP you've ever pasted !!!!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 6, 2013 - 12:36am PT
Stacey Keach...
TheTye

Trad climber
Sacramento CA
Apr 6, 2013 - 02:10am PT
Dr. F-

I want to all a-scared... but those guide stone principles seem pretty legit... I just need to figure out where to be to avoid the massive population cuts... or maybe befriend a lizard
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Apr 6, 2013 - 03:10am PT
Dear Dr. F.,

I dreamed that in a dream I had that I'd lost my tail.

I dreamed in another dream that I had that my tail had been cut off. I remember being real horny after that one.

I dreamed in yet another another dream that I was dreaming that I was VERY blind (not just blind-folded or shutting my eyes, but STONE BLIND) and the two other guys from the first two dreams were running around in a panic over their missing tails.

I'm not looking for advice. Just sayin'.

Lost tails are covered under medicare.

Have a good night.
QITNL

climber
Apr 6, 2013 - 03:57am PT
Only 12 million Americans are Lizard People?

I am surprised. Good thing this isn't The Price Is Right.

I would have guessed 240 million.
troutbreath

climber
Kanada
Apr 6, 2013 - 11:29am PT
They use your tail to make a (hungry)clone of you. Watch your back especially where your tail use to be. Happened to Sean Connery and he's a kick ass type of guy.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Apr 6, 2013 - 11:33am PT
I was thinking this is an insult to lizards everywhere.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Apr 6, 2013 - 11:35am PT
DRF
that's the STUPIDESTESTEST CRAP you've ever pasted !!!!
Funny, I think quotes from the bible are just as stupid

Of course I haven't fallen in with the crazy, I just post it so we can all read about what the crazy write.

I was hoping that Klimmer would pipe in and tell us how the bible talks about the lizard people, and what the prophecies say about them
Captain...or Skully

climber
Apr 6, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
All I know is a few half full bags of Italian Herb Chipotle Buffalo Ranch Guacamole Thai Peanut Style Chippety Chomps would go down real good about now......
FRUMY

Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
Apr 6, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
^^^^ & how are you going to get that food without lizard people to protect you from the bad guys.
You people seem to take our Lizard people guardians for granted.
I think you know what I'm talking about.
Climb-on Lizard people.
There better than insecticide.
new world order2

climber
Apr 7, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
Biden recently called to "create a New World Order".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1AMYHHAXhI

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