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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dr F, they didn't stay with the trail, that's the problem.
I hope they've got an idea about staying warm together and some way to make themselves visible to searchers.
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D'Wolf
climber
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Agree with Dr. F; seems odd to me, having lived in that area for 15 years (literally my back yard) and hiked the area myself. The area is just too small to get lost in. Additionally, the area is covered in dense chapparal and scrub - nearly impossible to leave a trail even if you wanted to. The area is also pretty benign - no real treacherous areas or steep cliffs to stumble off. Head downhill and you WILL encounter a heavily traveled paved road.
Lots of lion sightings in this area (including at least two attacks on humans). Hope they didn't encounter one.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Lots of lion sightings in this area (including at least two attacks on humans). Hope they didn't encounter one.
unlikely that a mountain lion would attack two humans
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Onewhowalksonrocks
Mountain climber
portland, Maine
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They called the first night using a cell but the cops couldn't get a gps fix on them.
I am wondering if they are really there. Maybe their doing something else and did want to tell their parents.
We will see.....................
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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I am wondering if they are really there.
That's what I was thinking. It's just not that big of an area where two young people could stay lost and not be found for three days w/o intent or foul play.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Alien extraction, happens all the time. Aliens need humans to do the work they won't do.
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Yosemite, ca
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In that area, all you have to do is follow the setting sun West, and you'll find yourself in a neighborhood in about 30 minutes.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Two rescuers r now lost when they went for them. Bad situation hope all is found.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Cendoya was "dehydrated and very confused," Lt. Jason Park of the Orange County Sheriff's Department told The Times. Cendoya was found about half a mile from where the two had parked their vehicle.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2013 - 05:04am PT
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hey there say, johntp and all, i almost, after reading what folks had said, about how easy to 'get through' the place was, that perhaps they were not there, but, the phone call said they were, (unless, of course, as folks said, no one had definite proof)...
but wow, now, they have found one, i see, thank you kunlun_shan for sharing the link... i will go see how they are, etc...
perhaps they had some other kind of trouble?? unseen to us? follow the sun,
is very good advice and HAS worked for folks i know, too... in other cases...
sad to hear that they had such an awful time, :(
will go see the link now...
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Deekaid
climber
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Looks like they could use some more volunteers to help search.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Every year we find people up to two weeks after they go missing. There is still time for a good outcome, and the weather is a big factor. 3 people were found on day 3 at Mt. Rainier in an awful blizzard. We found an elderly Cambodian woman after 5 days. Remember that people may be on the move and moving into the spot that was cleared by searchers who have moved on. Hopefully they are actively searching at night - when most lost people stay put. We have great success at night, but not all SAR teams work at night.
Hoping for the best.
When they let the scores of volunteers in, that's when I would get very worried. Fine search - looking for unresponsive subject.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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I'm with Seamstress on that one. Our SAR team searches day and night, but on night ops we run a very tightly controlled grid. It's too easy for a person to drop out of a group at night and get lost themselves, or get hurt, unless you are on top of your game and your people at all times. Running a team at night stresses the hell out of me.
Volunteers are awesome in a lot of cases, but as has already been seen with this search it can be a liability. Even two folks from SAR got lost according to the news. On the flip side, if you get a decent group that can walk a grid line, they can save SAR a lot of time by checking out lower probability or large open areas.
Really hoping for a good outcome on this one. Water in the area and survivable weather conditions are a big plus.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So SAR team members don't carry GPS's or compasses and maps?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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They f*%#ing separated from one another?
Lord help us....
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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I know they went off the trail, but how far could they go? not far. Dr. F is right. I grew up in the OC and have hiked and biked in that area alot. You'd have to work pretty hard and suffer a fair bit to get far off trail. Just too much brush and poison oak. I'm not saying that a pair of young knuckleheads unfamiliar with the outdoors couldn't do it--clearly they did--but it strikes me as odd, especially now that only one of them wandered out. I'm sure there are lots of details they are not sharing.
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Barbarian
climber
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She's been found and is dehydrated but appears okay otherwise.
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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Story is that she possibly has an ankle injury, and he was trying to get help. Neither were terribly coherent when found.
Lots of folks try to be heros by striking out to find help. It doesn't always work out well. If there is an active search, it is generally better to stay together.
One sheriff gave a gal holy hell for separating from her boyfriend on a hike and getting lost. I gave him holy hell fot that. I reminded him that girls and boys have fights, or some guys won't take no for an answer. Your job is to find them. Leave the parenting to their parents.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Tough way to get dumped but it worked out.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Alien extraction, happens all the time. Aliens need humans to do the work they won't do.
Hey. This happens all of the time and most people hide it. I was abducted at the age of 18 and they abused me sexually.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Kids have been disappearing into the hills to do acid and getting lost for as long as there have been kids and acid. These kids are no different.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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So Chaz, are you saying it was an acid test?
And there is no such things as aliens, we are all from the same universe, just different planets and solar systems. And galaxies.
But thankfully, whatever the story, they have been found safe and alive.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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what a trip, reading what the lost hikers experienced.
alien abduction or dehydration?
http://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/Calif-hiker-4-days-missing-felt-like-a-dream-4419037.php
She said the last thing she remembers is fighting off an animal with Cendoya after darkness fell, but she does not recall how the two got separated or what she did between then and her rescue. She hallucinated she was being eaten by a python, she tried to eat rocks and dirt, and thought that tree twigs were straws from which she could suck water.
"I honestly didn't even know I was missing, I didn't know I was gone, I didn't know anything was going on," she said. "I just thought I was in a big dream."
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-rescued-hiker-talks-about-ordeal-20130407,0,7588331.story
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Lol
The pair had picked the hike on the popular Holy Jim Trail almost at random after deciding they wanted to climb to a mountaintop to "touch the clouds," Jack said at a brief news conference.
Now that sounds like some killer drugs talking...
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 9, 2013 - 05:18am PT
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hey there say, kunlun_shan and all... not meaning to be mean, just
trying to understand:
oh my, i read some of the after-stuff in a few news follow-ups, and i've never heard anything LIKE this in my whole life--the part about
NOT even remembering that they were on a hike...
is this normal for dehydration? just curious...
i DO know that temporally yes, folks hallucinate, but
this is really strange, :(
and coming on so soon? was it the first day?? when they called?
or--perhaps i may not understand all this when i read it...
if any rescue workers have more light to shed on this,
thank you for any shares you can provide as to the
whole strange situation, :O
i remember a few other stories, of lost folks, being found, but this is so very different and seems so very strange...
important note:
i feel so bad for the deputy that got hurt...
seems everyone forgot about him :(... he had a head injury, i sure hope
this will not affect his long term recovery, as to life issues, in the
future... no updates, :(
prayers for him and his family...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Our yard is almost an acre....can't tell you how many times i had to search for missing guests.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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we have a couple acres it's downright scary
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Stoners
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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They were on their first date apparently, just a warmup. Gotta wonder what they got planned for their next adventure.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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i feel so bad for the deputy that got hurt...
seems everyone forgot about him :(... he had a head injury, i sure hope
this will not affect his long term recovery, as to life issues, in the
future... no updates, :(
prayers for him and his family...
Agreed neebs!
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senja
Social climber
Costa Mesa, CA
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It was revealed today in a local paper that in car the couple had driven to the trail head, law enforcement found half a gram of speed. This was found while the hikers were "lost." What do you want to bet the two had taken some speed, taken too much, and were paranoid, as speed can make a person, and were hiding from the searchers. The hikers said they had become delusional and were hallucinating. Yep! They're stoned!
I've hiked Holy Jim Canyon and it's not that complicated. A lot of people go into that area and the trails are well defined.
It will be interesting to see how this story plays out.
senja
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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and now we know the rest of the story.
At least they saved some of the stash for the after party!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Topic Author's Reply - May 2, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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hey there say, oh my... good to hear a follow up on what was a really weird report, by those kids... oddly not matching the usual stories we have learned of from lost hikers... :O
very sad, if that was the case, being that it was 'human choice' and thus, here:
a man, part of the rescue folks, ends up with a head injury, trying to
just do his duty, and help... :(
i sure pray he will be okay... you never know how head injuries will
fare, not only at the moment, BUT--in the future, months and even years later, :(
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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I kept wondering "how could anyone get lost up there?" I've been up there at least 100 times.
Now it all makes sense.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Happy Boulders
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Yeah, but the boy was charged with a felony
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