MISSING hikers SANTA ANA MTS--holy jim canyon..4/2013


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Social climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 3, 2013 - 09:13am PT
hey there say, all... does anyone know them?

hope this turns out well... folks can be praying, etc...


Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 3, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Dr F, they didn't stay with the trail, that's the problem.

I hope they've got an idea about staying warm together and some way to make themselves visible to searchers.

Apr 3, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
Agree with Dr. F; seems odd to me, having lived in that area for 15 years (literally my back yard) and hiked the area myself. The area is just too small to get lost in. Additionally, the area is covered in dense chapparal and scrub - nearly impossible to leave a trail even if you wanted to. The area is also pretty benign - no real treacherous areas or steep cliffs to stumble off. Head downhill and you WILL encounter a heavily traveled paved road.

Lots of lion sightings in this area (including at least two attacks on humans). Hope they didn't encounter one.

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Apr 3, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Lots of lion sightings in this area (including at least two attacks on humans). Hope they didn't encounter one.

unlikely that a mountain lion would attack two humans

Mountain climber
portland, Maine
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
They called the first night using a cell but the cops couldn't get a gps fix on them.

I am wondering if they are really there. Maybe their doing something else and did want to tell their parents.

We will see.....................

Trad climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 08:53pm PT
I am wondering if they are really there.

That's what I was thinking. It's just not that big of an area where two young people could stay lost and not be found for three days w/o intent or foul play.

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:02pm PT
Alien extraction, happens all the time. Aliens need humans to do the work they won't do.

Trad climber
Yosemite, ca
Apr 3, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
In that area, all you have to do is follow the setting sun West, and you'll find yourself in a neighborhood in about 30 minutes.

Big Wall climber
Apr 4, 2013 - 12:46am PT
Two rescuers r now lost when they went for them. Bad situation hope all is found.
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 12:58am PT
They found one, the dude, dehydrated and confused but alive.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:18am PT
Cendoya was "dehydrated and very confused," Lt. Jason Park of the Orange County Sheriff's Department told The Times. Cendoya was found about half a mile from where the two had parked their vehicle.


Mountain climber
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:05am PT

Social climber
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2013 - 05:04am PT
hey there say, johntp and all, i almost, after reading what folks had said, about how easy to 'get through' the place was, that perhaps they were not there, but, the phone call said they were, (unless, of course, as folks said, no one had definite proof)...

but wow, now, they have found one, i see, thank you kunlun_shan for sharing the link... i will go see how they are, etc...

perhaps they had some other kind of trouble?? unseen to us? follow the sun,
is very good advice and HAS worked for folks i know, too... in other cases...

sad to hear that they had such an awful time, :(
will go see the link now...

Apr 4, 2013 - 11:24am PT
Looks like they could use some more volunteers to help search.

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Apr 4, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Every year we find people up to two weeks after they go missing. There is still time for a good outcome, and the weather is a big factor. 3 people were found on day 3 at Mt. Rainier in an awful blizzard. We found an elderly Cambodian woman after 5 days. Remember that people may be on the move and moving into the spot that was cleared by searchers who have moved on. Hopefully they are actively searching at night - when most lost people stay put. We have great success at night, but not all SAR teams work at night.

Hoping for the best.

When they let the scores of volunteers in, that's when I would get very worried. Fine search - looking for unresponsive subject.

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Apr 4, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
I'm with Seamstress on that one. Our SAR team searches day and night, but on night ops we run a very tightly controlled grid. It's too easy for a person to drop out of a group at night and get lost themselves, or get hurt, unless you are on top of your game and your people at all times. Running a team at night stresses the hell out of me.

Volunteers are awesome in a lot of cases, but as has already been seen with this search it can be a liability. Even two folks from SAR got lost according to the news. On the flip side, if you get a decent group that can walk a grid line, they can save SAR a lot of time by checking out lower probability or large open areas.

Really hoping for a good outcome on this one. Water in the area and survivable weather conditions are a big plus.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
So SAR team members don't carry GPS's or compasses and maps?

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
They f*%#ing separated from one another?

Lord help us....
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
I know they went off the trail, but how far could they go? not far.
Dr. F is right. I grew up in the OC and have hiked and biked in that area alot. You'd have to work pretty hard and suffer a fair bit to get far off trail. Just too much brush and poison oak. I'm not saying that a pair of young knuckleheads unfamiliar with the outdoors couldn't do it--clearly they did--but it strikes me as odd, especially now that only one of them wandered out. I'm sure there are lots of details they are not sharing.

Apr 4, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
She's been found and is dehydrated but appears okay otherwise.
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