Tagger dies rappelling


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Trad climber
Chamonix, France
Apr 2, 2013 - 04:22pm PT
This is art:

El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Apr 2, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
at least he died doing what he loved.

Sport climber
Apr 2, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
The owner of Granite Arch knows about as much about climbing as I know about the Universe. And I'll admit I don't know sh*t.

Trad climber
Apr 2, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
^^^^^^very cool vid ^^^^^^^^^

Trad climber
Psych hospital by day
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
There's a movie about Banksy called Exit Through the Gift Shop

Trad climber
Albuquerque, NM
Apr 4, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
Everybody should use the Dulfersitz once ... then pray you never have to use it the rest of your life....

Although Paul Martzen is right - you'd fall out of a dulfersitz before you'd strangle in one....

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:05pm PT

Not sure what building it is, but I was running by it as they were picking up his body. There was a big crowd and I assumed someone had killed themselves.

It was across the street (west) from the convention center, on maybe 12th street?

I'm not much a fan of graffiti but it sounded like a pretty ballsy thing to do, to sneak into a building, rap down the side and tag it.


Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
From the article I read, it appears the late tagger was preparing to etch his work into the windows.


Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 4, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
They like the window etching because it causes more damage. The whole window needs to be raplaced to get rid of it.

More damage = higher art, I guess.
the Fet

Apr 4, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
ôZimmerman Flew and Tyler Knew" Turk 182!

Anyone else remember that bad 80s flick?

There's some cool graffiti on the inside of the train tunnels on Donner Summit. Of course the further you go down them the better the quality. It starts as ugly tagging, but there's some good cartoons down near the end.

Someone did a cool Mario or other character (from the video games) made out of tile glued on way up high.
Off White

Tenino, WA
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
I'm not fond of tagging, but on the other hand the son of a good friend of mine engages in this lamentable hobby, and I'd be sad if he died. Its easy to be harsh about the deaths of strangers doing something we think is stupid, but really, are the negative comments in this thread any different from folks in newspaper comment sections talking about how stupid, selfish, and deserving people who die climbing are?

Apr 4, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
at least he died doing what he loved.

Ed Speer

Trad climber
Redding, CA
Apr 4, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Obviously someone who tries a body rap from the 16th floor to wield a can of spray paint is an idiot. I learned the dulfersitz technique in 1973, although it wasn't long before we had all upgraded at least as far as a harness, carabiner and brake bar. But it came in handy many years later when I was climbing a frozen waterfall in Alaska at 30 below zero. Suddenly a spring of liquid water came gushing out my latest pick hole, and within a minute the rope was frozen as stiff as a dredger cable. No way was that thing going to bend around a friction device. For the descent I wrapped the rope around my body in a dulfersitz, modified only by running it through the big biner on my harness so it couldn't crawl up to my knee the way it did on the graffiti artist. With winter clothes on, the rappel wasn't even painful.

Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
Apr 5, 2013 - 12:03am PT
Tagging is cryptic looking letters, generally with black spray paint. Murals are, well, murals. Most of what I see sprayed on overnight here in Tucson are nasty looking tags on street signs, sides of businesses and masonry walls. Just hastily sprayed funky letters. Far from "art", the letters represent some sort of "ownership" of the area, kinda like a male dog peeing here and there, and about as primal. As for painting your name on stuff I've always liked the saying, "Fools names, like fools faces, are often seen in public places".
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Apr 5, 2013 - 12:08am PT

Yeah, jefe got a chuckle out of me on that one too.

Trad climber
reno, nv
Apr 5, 2013 - 12:41am PT
What movie was it I saw with a dulfersitz...

the Mole People, in b&w. I think. Looked painful. But how'd he get the rope up there? (undetected?)

Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
Apr 5, 2013 - 01:12am PT
Well at least they died doing what they loved.

So did this guy!

Credit: Huecool

Trad climber
Los Angeles, California
Apr 5, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Over 50 years, from schoolboy to degenerative joint disease, I've used Dulfersitz only, from practice rocks to mountains.
It was the norm when I started, and as we had to learn to do it right as beginners, I never had a problem with it.
The adage "Keep it simple, Stupid" of engineering finds its truest expression in the original abseil.
There's no extra weight, nor any spare equipment to lose other than the rope itself.
Rapping's principal danger still is using a faulty anchor, followed closely by unfamiliarity or lack of practice with whichever technique is employed, and distantly but spectacularly by lightning.
Anyone who goes over the edge using a technique he hasn't practiced to rote perfection is asking to die early.
It's foolish ignorance to assume that whatever isn't common practice today must have been chopped for safety reasons. I was there when it happened, and know otherwise.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
Apr 5, 2013 - 12:29pm PT
it seems the spiritually superior are fond of deciding whom deserves to 'get what they deserve." Hallelujah.

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Apr 5, 2013 - 12:29pm PT

The photo you posted is pretty disturbing.

But I think it's art....

is that your work?
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