Hey, Hosers, why is this such a secret, eh?


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Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 1, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
I mean, it holds a week's groceries, eh?

It looks better than a SmartCar to me, especially with that beer capacity, eh?

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Apr 1, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
That is fantastic,i hope it goes.

Social climber
Apr 1, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
27 mph?

A long way from where I started
Apr 1, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
And remember, those 24-packs of beer? It's in Canada, eh, so they're metric cases.

I think the rule for converting to metric is "double it, and add thirty-two" so each of those cases holds (24 x 2) + 32 = 80 beers, eh. That car is bigger than it looks.


Ice climber
the ghost
Apr 2, 2013 - 12:18am PT
ghost is correct: double it & add 32, eh

regarding the car, the Government of Oilberta (Canada too, eh) prevented the car from being sold in Canada, leading to:
In December 2009, the company made a further announcement confirming its new strategy and announcing that it will cease production of the ZENN LSV by April 30, 2010
John M

Apr 2, 2013 - 12:22am PT
Errr.. who buys these things? Where do you drive an auto that can only do 25 mph? They say you can change the chip and it will do 40, but then its illegal and still I don't know where you would drive it.

Plus did you see the rear tire lift on sharp cornering?

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2013 - 12:57am PT
^^^ That's why it needs Molson ballast.

And there's always this hybrid. No, really, it is! It has two electric
motors, in addition to the 750HP V12.
Credit: Reilly
John M

Apr 2, 2013 - 01:00am PT
Okay.. Now we are talking. zero to six pack in 3.5 seconds.
Big Mike

Trad climber
Apr 2, 2013 - 03:35am PT
Problem with the electric car is, where do you get all the electrcity? Well here in bc we have quite a few dams and run of the river facilities which could be argued to produce green energy (if you ignore the ecological cost of disrupting nature to set them up in the first place)
In fact, pretty soon we won't have a major tributary that isn't being messed up by a run of the river project. Why do we do all this? So we can continue to sell electricity to industry and the states at a loss, while still producing enough power for demand in bc. So there is one source.

How do places without hydro do it? Well they have coal burning electric plants, and nuclear electric plants. Not exactly green options either.

Some wind power but it's pretty minimal really, you need the big huge turbines for much effect, plus these things seem to mess with people's health who live near them. The constant drone of the turbines and changes in air pressure the cause lack of sleep for neighbours of the small towers, much less the big guys.

Then we have solar which is awesome on buildings but not so great as huge arrays killing deserts.

So what happenes when we all switch to electric cars, we need more electricty. We already have way more demand than supply on that front.

We need to find alternate clean sources, like infrared energy

Solar's had a pretty rough time breaking the ~40% efficiency level over the years, but Idaho National Laboratory researchers have apparently developed a nano-antenna array capable of collecting power not from photonic energy as is done today, but from infrared energy that could be harvested in any weather (or even at night). The cell production process is even supposed to be ridiculously cheap compared to making standard silicon photovoltaic cells, but, as always, there's a rub. The grid collects its oscillating IR energy at ten thousand billion times per second, which is proving to be a challenge to the nerds behind the tech, who are working on a way to convert that to the 50-60Hz power that the world uses. So yeah, it might be a few more years before this one pans out (if it does pan out).


Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Apr 2, 2013 - 07:09am PT
How about we just stop consuming so damned much!

Stupid Americans.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 2, 2013 - 08:01am PT
Don't forget the donuts hose head....

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 2, 2013 - 10:09am PT
There are no perfect solutions unfortunately Mike. In-fact there are no good solutions. I do think switching to electric is the most sustainable and that to do so nuclear is the best current solution. Population and economic growth are in the driver seat for now. It's a ride with the accelerator floored and no brakes so far.

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Apr 2, 2013 - 10:37am PT
If we figured out how to transmit electricity without much lose, we could have nuclear and solar plants in remote locations.
Big Mike

Trad climber
Apr 2, 2013 - 11:16am PT
Infrared is the future. It works 24/7 (at night, cloudy doesn't matter) and can be collected off any surface using the new sticker cell technology!!

Ubiquitous Energy, a new startup company, is currently developing a transparent stick-on solar cell for use with theiPad and other tablets. The stick-on solar cell will be able to keep the iPad powered throughout the day. The company states that its technology will revolutionize the use of mobile devices, making them nearly independent from wall-charging.


Who wants to bet if this technology weren't free to the end user it wouldn't be done allready...
I bet your military is already using it for field applications!

Apr 2, 2013 - 11:44am PT
Mike: Green energy is energy that does not produce green house gas, dams are 100% green energy. There is some local environmental disruption, but that pales in comparison to the global disruption caused by burning non-renewables.

Yes new energy projects cost waaaaay more than what our heritage assets, big dams, provide us because we paid for those along time ago.

Wouldnt you want to export green energy to all these places that use coal and oil for fuel? In the long run it will be considerably better than letting them to pollute the atmosphere. RoR or big dams, small spread out hydro projects or concentrated high impact dams...Site C

Germany has a huge solar contribution to their grid and they are at the same latitude as us.

The only reason BC is looking at a future deficit in terms of power supply and demand is because of the 3-5 LNG plants both the current and incoming governments want to install.

If you think wind power does anything to the local air pressure and health then I guess you also believe smart meters cause cancer.

Randisi has it right, we need to conserve waaaay more, the fact that we have some of the cheapest power in the world is not helping. I asked all of my friends if they knew what the meaning of tier 1 and tier 2 power usage on their hydro bills were and no one knew...not cool

Trad climber
Apr 2, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
And then there's the White Zombie....
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 01:32am PT
How do places without hydro do it? Well they have coal burning electric plants, and nuclear electric plants. Not exactly green options either.

I am very skeptical of the range claim of 40 miles with a 72 volt system. Probably have the real life range of half of that. Lithium batteries would be a huge improvement if they ever get the technology dialed in. Needs a good battery management system. Lead acid batteries can be charged all at once with one charger.

Most electric vehicles are driven during the day and charged at night. Power plants basically idle at night due to low demand. Switching over to electric vehicles levels demand and increases overall efficiency of power plants. We could charge millions of electric vehicles without building any new power plants. Electric cars are way more efficient than internal combustion, especially for stop and go city driving. Sure, people in rural areas could probably not use this type of vehicle. People in urban areas could easily drive an electric car and keep a gas car for longer trips.

I drive my GEM 150 miles a month, really saving on wear and tear on my regular car, short trips are hell on gas powered cars.

Power plants are going away from coal to natural gas, cleaner and cheap as hell now. I drive 4 to 8 miles a day. Sure it only goes 25 mph, but it gets me 3 miles about one minute slower than my car. I go all week without driving the regular car sometimes. I have a grid tied solar system on my house so I am driving for free. The car has almost no maintenance, check the water in the batteries once a month. It remains to be seen how long the batteries will last. Six Trojan batteries are about one thousand dollars. I hope to get 5000+ miles out of them.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2013 - 11:08am PT
Mikey, here's some aerodynamics 101. 20' beyond the ends of the wind turbine's
blades there will be zero disturbance of the air whatsoever. Now, 'downwind'
of the blades there will be considerable turbulence but the air pressure
will be exactly the same. All you gotta remember is:

"Nature abhors a vacuum."
Big Mike

Trad climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 11:39am PT
LONDON, ONT. - They live in the shadow of wind farms, and their stories of turbine-induced illness have been brushed aside by the wind industry, Ontario regulators and the province's Liberal government.

But now, researchers have published the first ever peer-reviewed study linking wind turbines and ill health -- giving opponents of wind turbines their heaviest arsenal in a fight that could shape the landscape of rural Ontario and perhaps political fortunes in the next election.

"I view it as a huge step forward. It definitely gives credibility to our case," said Esther Wrightman, who's led a crusade against 70 wind turbines west of Strathroy.

The study, published in the periodical Noise and Health, found that a random sample of residents living within 1.4 km of wind turbines in two Maine communities suffered more from impaired mental health and sleep deprivation than those who lived at least 3.3 km away.

That was their finding, even though most of the closer residents had welcomed the turbines because they came with a financial benefit.

The epidemiologist who created the study is a Guelph, Ont., resident who worked eight years for Health Canada.


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Hoser- do you really want the ecology of every major tributairy in British Columbia disrupted??

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2013 - 11:53am PT
Mike, I will look at that later, thanks. I am a huge noise pollution
nut. Just this morning I was bitching to myself about the phukking low-flying
helocopters. If I ever go postal it may well be against them. But I assure
you that living 100' from a very large turbine there can not possibly be any
air pressure difference other than turbulence. Noise aside I would not want
to be too close, say less than 300', from a large turbine (250KW) because I
am not convinced there are not effects due to the induction of such high power
lines. An old college friend grew up working the farmlands around Ellensburg,
WA. He was a god-fearing down-to-earth engineer devoid of any vices, other
than climbing. He averred that after a day of mowing hay beneath the big
power lines going from the Columbia R dams to Seattle that he would have a
serious headache. And he never got headaches otherwise.
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